The New Protoss (GSL Spoiler) - Page 2

On March 11 2011 12:13 StarscreamG1 wrote:
San - SC was the most boring best of five series I've seen on gsl. 3 hours of Zealots+Storm Vs Marauders.

I would also like to note how I liked SanZenith has not attempted to cheese his opponents. ManZenith, for real. (No cannons, hidden gateways, or even 4-gates)

On March 11 2011 12:13 StarscreamG1 wrote:
San - SC was the most boring best of five series I've seen on gsl. 3 hours of Zealots+Storm Vs Marauders.

On March 11 2011 13:07 Cyanocyst wrote:
While his mass expand style was interesting, I thought he was careless with when/where he put up nexii. Not to mention Protoss has the most efficient late game army, So they don't really need to be ahead in expansions.

On March 11 2011 13:11 Jumbled wrote:

This just isn't true, as was seen in the match where San ran out of gas. The terran army was far more cost-efficient throughout most of this series.

On March 11 2011 12:09 Wr3k wrote:
One thing I'm not a huge fan of is how he doesn't seem to utilize immortal/colossi once opponents add ghosts. He also needlessly donates alot of zealots. Hes no MC, but I'm still fairly impressed.

On March 11 2011 13:19 link0 wrote:
IMO SanZenith's style is actually the easiest style to play. Just turtle and tech to templars.

On March 11 2011 12:10 Skyze wrote:
watch San's play today, it makes me really think that kind of play will be doomed once Amulet is gone.. In his games he BARELY held on vs the marauder balls, and only way he held on is due to the templars warping in last second to storm.. And that is why I think storm is needed with amulet, if they nerf that, templar play will go back to having to be after collosus...

so hopefully blizzard realises this and doesnt remove amulet. I mean, was there ever any screams of "imbalance" from amulet?? Hell, San barely won with it this morning vs terran. and its not like the terran played solid either

On March 11 2011 13:35 KillerPenguin wrote:


lol, hell no, do u even play protoss? You need insane apm to manage a few bases, harass, and split up templars to avoid emp while doing perfect short range storms with feedback, while not letting your zealots get kited to hell. There is a reason few protoss prefer this way especially if they don't have their 3rd yet. Whitera even has many games where he has fail micro trying to pull this off because his apm cannot hold up all the time.

Removal of amulet will rape this econ heavy templar style play there is no way those matches would be anything like they were. Without amulet he would have been destroyed rather than a very even long match when he was up a base.

On March 11 2011 13:57 avilo wrote:
The style sanszenith used isn't new, lots of protoss players have been playing this turtle style protoss for a while now, it's very difficult to attack into because there will be a cannon flower at every base like PvZ SC1 style, except you get free warp in storms which is why blizzard is nerfing it.





In response to these two posts, and adding to what linko said, this style is actually one of the easiest to play.

As link0 said, and to elaborate, you start off playing "standard," basically any solid style, and then you begin to expand and mass cannons literally everywhere on the map and tech up to the amulet. Once you have the amulet, your expansions as P no longer can be cost effectively taken out, as you also have your 200/200 main army and 30 gateways for storm warp-in + zealot warp-in.

It is definitely one of the most abusable protoss styles to play while the amulet is still in the game, and lots of protoss on ladder right now play pvt with the goal of simply surviving until they research the amulet into mass expo cannon turtle.

And you are skyze you're also over-exaggerating not being able to survive without the amulet. WITH the amulet, an abusable style like this is possible where you have the "ez button" instant storm at any point on the map. It means any situation where Terran worked hard to gain an advantage right now is instantly negated from storm warp-in. Which is why blizzard is removing it.

But where you are wrong, is this style will still be 100% possible next patch. The key difference being that when you play this turtle protoss cannon mass expo style, you will have to warp in templars to each expansion in advance, which means that when Terran has worked hard and gained an advantage, protoss cannot lazily insta-warp-in storms to the expansion that is currently about to be sieged. Forethought will be required on placing templar at those expansions, just like in SC1 PvZ where you'd have cannon flowers and a templar or two already at the base gathering energy to defend.

So, yah this style is incredibly strong and more should be doing it. And with the amulet nerf, it will still be possible next patch, just not as EZmode. Just like when tanks got nerfed from T. It's still possible to use them, it's just much harder, which is overall good for the game in some ways.

Also, you have to keep in mind that the style sanszenith displayed was dedicating all of his entire vespene gas reserve to only templars. He was not utilizing as many forcefields and immortals+stalkers or even collosus that are already a hard counter to marauder bio balls. So protoss will be entirely fine next patch, they already are doing a little bit tooo good right now...

Regardless of all that, that series was goddamn amazing, i dunno how anyone could have been disappointed with those games.