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Veritassong
Canada393 Posts
On March 02 2011 01:09 Poocs wrote: MKP was in the final last season lol. I don't care what the reason for the upsets but I'm loving it. oh im sorry, i meant Boxer, Genius, Fruitdealer and Rainbow were only living their past records. MKP is just not good, period. | ||
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SecretA5DC
Korea (South)225 Posts
On March 02 2011 00:30 cLutZ wrote: You made my point. When he was unable to abuse his strategy he lost. His overall play is just not that strong, compared to a Jinro. Sounds like you've never watched any of MKP's games in the previous seasons ㅎㄷㄷ | ||
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SecretA5DC
Korea (South)225 Posts
On March 02 2011 01:00 Cikop wrote: I feel that it is way too much luck involved in SC2 at the moment. Maybe its because the skill difference between players is minimal (and they all have a room to improve - we rarely see flawless games) so our current "champions" simply had more luck than others in the previous seasons. Now the tides have turned and they got a bit unlucky and we have "upsets". Really the tip top level players should almost always win - no exceptions and luck should be a factor only between equally skilled players. Then we can say its a competitive sport - currently I think SC2 is more more like a pro gambling. You know the rules, you know how to play at pro level, and statistically you win more than lose but you can still have a bad luck and lose everything. Upsets are not good for esport and SC2 at its current stage. It feels to random and unpredictable. Sponsor like to have Champions they can invest into without too much worry about the results. Currently there is no one like that in SC2. Looking at the previous seasons of GSL I start to respect more and more people that show consistency even if they don’t win the whole thing. It is a pity that Idra left as he was one of the best examples. I agree. After viewing both of Ret's passive games, it just makes me appreciate Idra more as an exceptional sc2 pro gamer. | ||
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GoodRamen
United States713 Posts
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
On March 02 2011 01:22 jaiBing wrote: as soon as i saw this i knew marineking got knock out today..... To be fair, I put spoiler in the title. | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
On March 01 2011 23:15 Slakkoo wrote: Jinro will win this time, no doubt You are just jinxing it now..... never tempt fate | ||
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Mise
Finland580 Posts
In my oppnion the two biggest reasons for these upsets are: 1) The group stages can be pretty random, you basically couple of play BO1's. 2) The good players aren't that far away from the top players. I don't expect that many upsets now that we got into bo3's. I predict that MC, Jinro or NaDa will win, unless more upsets happen. Or maybe San, he has shown some of the strongest play so far, but I kinda have a feeling that he will get crushed by pressure. It's different to perform well when everyon expects you to get smashed than to perform well when everyone expects it. | ||
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uSnAmplified
United States1029 Posts
 Guess i can start rooting for check now, anyone artosis compares to rock lee is pretty awesome in my eyes. | ||
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anatem
Romania1369 Posts
genius fd boxer rainbow aren't code s level anymore tester and kyrix are shaping up a bit, but i'm not sure it will last long with what's coming from code a. i expect 2 to 4 of these guys to drop to code a if they're not very lucky explanation 2+4 for zenio mvp nestea these guys are top level, they'll stay in code s easy unless they get some extreme misfortune in the matches or get sick, shit like that on the opposite end, i expect lyn and anypro to keep at the bottom of code s doing some up/down soon mc, july nad nada have shown the strongest psyche and plays so far of those who advanced; if this is the season of upsets though, jinro and byun should pull through, if jinro takes mc again and byun whoever he plays, then this season will forever bear the mark of upsets | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
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raf3776
United States1904 Posts
On March 02 2011 01:49 darmousseh wrote: Only 3 upsets, mvp, nestea, mkp and those are likely because other players are specifically practicing against their style. Only thing is MVP and Nesteas style is so solid its hard to practice against. Against nestea, he just got beat at his own game. MVP, july said the baneling bust was unstoppable if they did a 2rax expand. and MKPs style is hard to replicate in practice. | ||
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rushian
United Kingdom568 Posts
On March 02 2011 01:44 anatem wrote: explanation 1 for genius fd boxer rainbow aren't code s level anymore tester and kyrix are shaping up a bit, but i'm not sure it will last long with what's coming from code a. i expect 2 to 4 of these guys to drop to code a if they're not very lucky explanation 2+4 for zenio mvp nestea these guys are top level, they'll stay in code s easy unless they get some extreme misfortune in the matches or get sick, shit like that on the opposite end, i expect lyn and anypro to keep at the bottom of code s doing some up/down soon mc, july nad nada have shown the strongest psyche and plays so far of those who advanced; if this is the season of upsets though, jinro and byun should pull through, if jinro takes mc again and byun whoever he plays, then this season will forever bear the mark of upsets Agree with most of this. From watching him stream a couple of weeks ago Genius just isn't very good and there's a pretty good chance he'll go to code A. Code A is really strong, I would pick most of those players to beat Genius, Boxer and Rainbow. I think fruitdealer will stay up though if he practises, he's still Code S material imo. MVP and Nestea are still awesome and should be fine, and back at the top next season. | ||
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KCrazy
United States278 Posts
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
On March 01 2011 23:17 Zephirdd wrote: Well, I'd be overreacting if, and only if, these guys who went out had lost due to a gimmicky/stupid strategy, but they were just plain overplayed. although... + Show Spoiler + sanZenith won that game thanks to warp-in storms for harass and an archon toilet. 1.3 anyone? He never did Archon toilet actually, he tried, but only had 2 Archons (need about 6-8 to properly Archon toilet), that wasn't why he won. Whether we want to admit it or not he outplayed his opponent. I really feel the OP is completely and totally overreacting we shouldn't be thinking 'these top players are going to Code A', but rather something more along the lines of 'If that win for San was not a fluke, then the average player skill must be increasing which means better games in the future'. Edit: Just wanted to add something. Why do people go ape-shit over spoilers? I really fail to see what the big deal is. Knowing who won or lost is irrelevant, its how that player won or lost that is entertaining, and that can be only learned by watching the game. Furthermore if spoilers bother you that bad, why on earth would you ever come and look at a thread that is BLATANTLY about the GSL results before you watched the matches? | ||
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
On March 02 2011 01:57 SichuanPanda wrote: He never did Archon toilet actually, he tried, but only had 2 Archons (need about 6-8 to properly Archon toilet), that wasn't why he won. Whether we want to admit it or not he outplayed his opponent. I really feel the OP is completely and totally overreacting we shouldn't be thinking 'these top players are going to Code A', but rather something more along the lines of 'If that win for San was not a fluke, then the average player skill must be increasing which means better games in the future'. Edit: Just wanted to add something. Why do people go ape-shit over spoilers? I really fail to see what the big deal is. Knowing who won or lost is irrelevant, its how that player won or lost that is entertaining, and that can be only learned by watching the game. Furthermore if spoilers bother you that bad, why on earth would you ever come and look at a thread that is BLATANTLY about the GSL results before you watched the matches? Thank you ~~ I put *spoiler* for all the player lists and in the title too, so hopefully no one sees something they aren't ready for yet. | ||
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shinosai
United States1577 Posts
On March 02 2011 01:57 SichuanPanda wrote: He never did Archon toilet actually, he tried, but only had 2 Archons (need about 6-8 to properly Archon toilet), that wasn't why he won. Whether we want to admit it or not he outplayed his opponent. I really feel the OP is completely and totally overreacting we shouldn't be thinking 'these top players are going to Code A', but rather something more along the lines of 'If that win for San was not a fluke, then the average player skill must be increasing which means better games in the future'. Edit: Just wanted to add something. Why do people go ape-shit over spoilers? I really fail to see what the big deal is. Knowing who won or lost is irrelevant, its how that player won or lost that is entertaining, and that can be only learned by watching the game. Furthermore if spoilers bother you that bad, why on earth would you ever come and look at a thread that is BLATANTLY about the GSL results before you watched the matches? He did get a pretty good archon toilet on about 5 broodlords which instantly died after the vortex ended. I think it must be admitted that the vortex played a huge role in his victory. You are pretty much forced to split up your army or you will get splashed hardcore. Next patch will definitely make protoss less fearsome late game. Late game he couldn't archon toilet, but only because nestea had ultras (they splash, too!) I think if the game had been played in patch 1.3, the game may have ended differently, and it may have been the same. Can't really tell. All I can say for certain is that the ability vortex shifted a lot of battles into the protoss favor in that game. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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miragev2
United Kingdom104 Posts
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PIJAMA
Brazil137 Posts
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