EPTGSL 5: The Season of.... (spoiler) - Page 3
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Veritassong
Canada393 Posts
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ihasaKAROT
Netherlands4730 Posts
Saying the good got cheesed is a no-no , its just not true. The gap is really starting to get smaller and smaller between the players. The 'lesser' gods practise hard and develop (look at Noblesse with a great ghost opener, sanZenith with awesome macro), while the current big names seem to be stuck and riding on their egos / braggingrights. Theres nothing new comming from these players it seems, sure Fruitdealer did a nice nydus and he won with it, but when he went standard play... well he lost bad, you cant play standard in Code S (and code A mostly) anymore. Its just not a sure win. MKP screwed over himself with previously noted 'cute' herassments that didnt work and tactics that were broken. The only time he won was on a slower macrogame with mech. NesTea wasnt too good looking, he held on for ages, but especially vs Ensnare he dropped alot of skill all of a sudden. It wasnt crisp and special like in season 2, it wasnt new. Genius went for poor macrogames. Really poor macrogames. TOP played too standard aswell and got outplayed very quickly. MvP I will let slip. July played amazing and didnt make a mistake. MvP played good but made a few small ones. On this level thats a loss very often. I'll go one step further and predict the players that are in the top16 now will be there for abit. (apart from Clide, Byun and TheWind). They have showed better play, creative play and a great feel for the game. SanZenith fighting! | ||
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Uhnno
Netherlands288 Posts
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Phosgene
United States187 Posts
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
With nestea and fruitdealer out I'm quite bured. BO1 isn't the best format in my opinion though, some people won with somewhat questionable rushes and allin. | ||
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NoobSkills
United States1597 Posts
On March 01 2011 23:42 FarbrorAbavna wrote: Except for july vs MVP where july got lucky with his baneling bust there hasnt really been any games where you could say that one person got lucky or did an all in that paid off really well. Sure fruitdealer does all ins but he always has and see where that got him, yeah code a. So overall your bitching about the group format is just plain odd. Most games the person playing the best won, no matter how rich in wins their history is or isnt. boxer tea genius MVP all had games with non macro game elements. some was their fault some was opponent skill/luck either way I think a series would go differently if it was a BO3 or at least in these guys cases would have had a possible different victor. And regardless saying in "most" games that the best person one is still just not true. There is a reason why they're making larger maps, but LT still has close positions and so does meta which are considered underwhelming in many situations. Sorry, but I don't see the NEED for group play especially with them getting more casters for Code A | ||
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Zeiryuu
Philippines231 Posts
Anyways, Jinro and MC are very consistent. And I'm seeing Nada steadily growing stronger and stronger with each GSL season.  ) | ||
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ccJroy
United States483 Posts
Yes we have seen quite a few upsets in the group stages, but i still feel with the surviving players we still will see a good season in the later stages. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On March 01 2011 23:49 eviltomahawk wrote: Actually, MKP won his only TvZ that night with a crazy heavy-macro, heavy-mech strategy that was absolutely not characteristic of his heavy marine play. He lost his TvP by just playing poorly, and he lost his TvT by opening with banshees and hellions and doing almost no damage with his opening push, after which sC just pushed and killed off MKP's paltry army. IMO, MKP isn't a good example of a player losing because he overused a unique strategy. Tonight, he was playing with completely different strategies compared to his usual mass bio play, and it only worked in one of the three games. Also, Fruitdealer just sucks at ZvP. You made my point. When he was unable to abuse his strategy he lost. His overall play is just not that strong, compared to a Jinro. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
On March 02 2011 00:30 cLutZ wrote: You made my point. When he was unable to abuse his strategy he lost. His overall play is just not that strong, compared to a Jinro. He crushed one of the best zergs in the tournament barely building a single marine, and it didn't even look like Kyrix was in his league. I wouldn't go so far as to say he relies on gimmicks. | ||
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Drium
United States888 Posts
On March 01 2011 23:43 cLutZ wrote: The "elite" zergs and MKP losing is not unexpected. They were doing so well because they abused having unique strategies and exploiting holes in other people's mechanics/knowledge of the game. Newsflash: Marines and banelings are not the only part of TvZ Did you even watch MKP's games? | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
I only saw the games he lost, and in them he looked "lost." The banshee-hellion game looked like ME trying the iechoic build and against the protoss he seemed out of his comfort zone: hesitant or overcomitted at all times. | ||
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gm.tOSS
Germany898 Posts
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krazymunky
United States727 Posts
so crazy. MVP,Fruitdealer and Nestea all losing and going to the up and down matches | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On March 02 2011 00:49 cLutZ wrote: I only saw the games he lost, and in them he looked "lost." The banshee-hellion game looked like ME trying the iechoic build and against the protoss he seemed out of his comfort zone: hesitant or overcomitted at all times. I would highly recommend watching his game against Kyrix, then. It was as though I was watching Flash in SC2. The sheer amount of macro and mech in that game was astounding, and he seemed like a completely different player, in a good way. | ||
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Cikop
Poland28 Posts
Upsets are not good for esport and SC2 at its current stage. It feels to random and unpredictable. Sponsor like to have Champions they can invest into without too much worry about the results. Currently there is no one like that in SC2. Looking at the previous seasons of GSL I start to respect more and more people that show consistency even if they don’t win the whole thing. It is a pity that Idra left as he was one of the best examples. | ||
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Doomblaze
United States1292 Posts
Gorilla terran hwaiting! | ||
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DarkRise
1644 Posts
You can just stay overconfidence because your on top. To those people who are blaming the system for these upsets, please watch the games before doing so.... This also makes it different from BW since it is dominated by 4 players | ||
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Poocs
94 Posts
On March 02 2011 00:00 Logican wrote: well, Boxer, MKP, Genius, Fruitdealer and Rainbow were only living by their past records anyways.. MKP was in the final last season lol. I don't care what the reason for the upsets but I'm loving it. | ||
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