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LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
March 01 2011 22:10 GMT
#181
I agree with the way things are going. It's about time the "known players" are getting knocked out by truly better players.
LovE.311 (NA) || @LovE_Sc2
iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
March 01 2011 22:12 GMT
#182
WHo knocked out Boxer?
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
March 01 2011 22:14 GMT
#183
On March 02 2011 07:09 tyCe wrote:
Can't believe you put July in the upset category.

I'll vote option 1 and 3.

Sure, there were some upsets, like NesTea and MVP. But seriously, who expected FD and MKP to go through in dominating fashion? What have those two players even done recently or what matches have those two played recently to suggest they are still the top of the top? Same with RainbOw, Genius, Zenio and InCa. With players like NaDa and July, they have already shown their champion mentality in the past with their BW achievements, so it was always likely IMO that they would be able to step it up a notch with every GSL. BoxeR was an emotional upset, not really an unexpected upset IMO as one can't really expect him to compete at the very top with the amount of other engagements he has nowadays.


I agree about Fruitdealer, but MKP got to the finals of GSL2, came in place second in the GOM TV All-Stars, got to the Ro8 of GSL3 losing to MC, and lost to MVP in the finals of the January GSL. He's been by far one of the most consistent T's out there; I'd call him the Yellow/Stork of SC2 when it comes to getting silvers. His loss was a definite upset.
CookieMaker
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada880 Posts
March 01 2011 22:17 GMT
#184
The amount of "upsets" only gives tribute to how the first couple rounds of a tournament are the MOST important for the top players. Best of 1 is anybody's game, and a pro like Nestea who performs amazingly in Bo3/5/7 has to be able to buckle down for that single win against any opponent. In longer series, strategy and skill balance the series in the better player's favor but in a Bo1 the lesser player only has to play one good game.

GSL2 was a perfect example of how nestea reacted to MKP to take the victory in a longer series.
Micro your Macro
iversonjack
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia69 Posts
March 01 2011 22:17 GMT
#185
hahaha idra deceased... sounds like he died
iversonjack
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia69 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-01 22:18:53
March 01 2011 22:18 GMT
#186
On March 02 2011 07:12 iSometric wrote:
WHo knocked out Boxer?


sanZenith and oGsEnsare got out, and Boxer and NesTea go to up and down matches
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
March 01 2011 22:19 GMT
#187
On March 02 2011 07:12 iSometric wrote:
WHo knocked out Boxer?


Nestea, oGsEnsnare, SanZenith all beat Boxer
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
KillerPlague
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1386 Posts
March 01 2011 22:19 GMT
#188
lulz @ deceased xD
Side 1: Why no dominant players with 90% win ratio Side 2: Nerf Side 1
Natengall
Profile Joined April 2010
United States60 Posts
March 01 2011 22:34 GMT
#189
I am sooooo looking forward to watching the Up and Down matches. Code A players will have to pick games off GSL champions/runnerups just to get into Code S, and likewise champions of GSL are in danger of dropping into Code A.

Oh man, Up and Down matches is a scary place to be this season.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/594342/1/Natengall/
Flik
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada256 Posts
March 01 2011 22:37 GMT
#190
Well I hope the whole season is an upset and a foreigner wins! Go Jinro!
Capitanpingaloca
Profile Joined March 2011
1 Post
March 01 2011 22:49 GMT
#191
On March 02 2011 07:14 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2011 07:09 tyCe wrote:
Can't believe you put July in the upset category.

I'll vote option 1 and 3.

Sure, there were some upsets, like NesTea and MVP. But seriously, who expected FD and MKP to go through in dominating fashion? What have those two players even done recently or what matches have those two played recently to suggest they are still the top of the top? Same with RainbOw, Genius, Zenio and InCa. With players like NaDa and July, they have already shown their champion mentality in the past with their BW achievements, so it was always likely IMO that they would be able to step it up a notch with every GSL. BoxeR was an emotional upset, not really an unexpected upset IMO as one can't really expect him to compete at the very top with the amount of other engagements he has nowadays.


I agree about Fruitdealer, but MKP got to the finals of GSL2, came in place second in the GOM TV All-Stars, got to the Ro8 of GSL3 losing to MC, and lost to MVP in the finals of the January GSL. He's been by far one of the most consistent T's out there; I'd call him the Yellow/Stork of SC2 when it comes to getting silvers. His loss was a definite upset.


Exactly, i could never understand why people hate on MKP so much after all that he has achieved. He does not brag about how good he is he lets tourney performances do the talking for him and i feel he should get some respect. Noone is or has been as consistant as he has. If his style is so gimicky and so easy like people make it out to be explain the consistentsy? you cant. If its so horrible people would have been raping him after his first succesful season. Sad to still see him as an underdog and watch him being hated on so much. There will always be haters i guess.
MK4512
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada938 Posts
March 01 2011 22:50 GMT
#192
I think that its the new maps. Maybe the previously better players don't quite know how to macro well on the new maps yet, its really a different style of play.

For example, if you have someone like nestea, he may know how to deal really well with alot of pressure due to small maps, but does he know how to deal with a much more passive early game with alot of new tech paths late game?
Chill: "Please let us know when you will be streaming yourself eating a hat so I can put it on the calendar. Thanks."
Senorcuidado
Profile Joined May 2010
United States700 Posts
March 01 2011 22:57 GMT
#193
I'm actually astonished to see the list of eliminated players compiled together. Would you have bet any amount of money on Boxer, Nestea, Fruitdealer, MVP, and MKP all being gone this early? It's nice to see foreigners gaining more and more presence at the GSL, entirely Team Liquid apparently, but Jinro is the only code S foreigner now that Idra is gone. The rest of Liquid is making strides though, they're getting much better every season. You can't blame Idra for jumping ship, there's a lot of money to be made and he's pretty dominant in the West.
Chise
Profile Joined December 2010
Japan507 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-01 22:58:33
March 01 2011 22:58 GMT
#194
On March 02 2011 07:50 MK4512 wrote:
I think that its the new maps. Maybe the previously better players don't quite know how to macro well on the new maps yet, its really a different style of play.

For example, if you have someone like nestea, he may know how to deal really well with alot of pressure due to small maps, but does he know how to deal with a much more passive early game with alot of new tech paths late game?


Well, Nestea lost on Shakuras Plateau. Don't remember the other map though.
TemplarCo.
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico2870 Posts
March 01 2011 22:59 GMT
#195
I really hope that Jinro takes the GSL this time!!
Also GSL5 is the season of... less CHEESE!!! yeah f*ck you BitByBit!!
With an average game length of 7m36s over his 6 games in GSL3, this is a no-brainer. BitByBit pulls more SCVs than yo momma at a club on Mar Sara. ♞
TERRANLOL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States626 Posts
March 01 2011 23:05 GMT
#196
I'm honestly not too surprised about FruitDealer
He hasn't really been dominating anything at all lately.
I am surprised about these though:
- IMMvp
- oGsTOP
- IMNesTea
- SlayerS_BoxeR
- choyafOu
- NsPGenius
- MarineKingPrime.WE
Zerokaiser
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada885 Posts
March 01 2011 23:07 GMT
#197
On March 01 2011 23:24 GobIin wrote:
Balanced is broken, thats why fruitdealer and nestea lost


Fruitdealer is a pretty cool guy, but he's not really a big shot anymore.
Lanaia is love.
EggYsc2
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
620 Posts
March 01 2011 23:07 GMT
#198
On March 02 2011 07:12 iSometric wrote:
WHo knocked out Boxer?



warp in storms
Voronoff
Profile Joined May 2010
United States302 Posts
March 01 2011 23:28 GMT
#199
I see a lot of people saying "Everybody is about the same skill. People have figured out gimmick styles. etc."

Let's do a thought experiment.

For the sake of this, let's say that any match is 50-50 at it's core. The map changes effectively reset the field to this. The best players have and advantage in terms of pure mechanics, but due to being the best at the older playstyles, they have more to unlearn. In addition, the weaker players weren't likely to beat these players in a straight-up match, and so were forced to experiment with different styles, some of which became weaker on the new maps but some of which became significantly stronger.

With time the better players will have more of an advantage - as everybody gets better, they will get better faster, widening the gap between themselves and everyone else again. But for now, you have a large number of matches that are close enough to a coin flip to not be terribly surprising that heads came up only a few times while tails came up a bunch. The sample size is small enough that while there may appear to be trending, there is no significance.

TLDR:

Now, I'm not saying that some players won't adapt and won't be on the top anymore. I'm not even saying that the games here were played on a lower level than previous games.

All I'm trying to point out is that it would be almost as unlikely for all of the favorites to go through as to be knocked out, at this particular point in time, due to the map and playstyle changes being recent enough to not allow the best players to utilize their advantages.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
March 01 2011 23:29 GMT
#200
Dont get the hate for mkp either. He got the best control,best micro and is the most creative outta there. Yet ppl keep saying hes an one trick pony or abuser. Had he kept on using marines,he woulda gotten into the final again easily. But he tried something new every game and showed a beatiful mech play against kyrix, thats gosuness. Mkp's exit is the biggest upset to me,considering the IM cases when mvp lost to his nerve (and July's moment of golden mouse holder) & sanjwa's gosu play against Nestea.
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