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101toss
3232 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:07 Crushgroove wrote: I really don't understand why Air unit flower had to be fixed..... um... any ideas? Cuz some bronze leaguer lost 100 supply in vikings due to thor splash. More probable is because it wasn't what blizzard had intended. | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
High Templar - Khaydarin Amulet upgrade (+25 starting energy) has been removed. My world has just ended. | ||
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Lucius22
172 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:05 101toss wrote: You ignored his key element of advice: drops/abuse mobility. Mech is the slowest shit ever. Your mineral line will get raped and you can do nothing about it. mech builds sensor towers, mech has vikings, mech has blue flame hellions. so, why again is it so easy to drop mech? | ||
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Shooks
Australia256 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:05 101toss wrote: You ignored his key element of advice: drops/abuse mobility. Mech is the slowest shit ever. Your mineral line will get raped and you can do nothing about it. Actually most good Terran players will just leave a tank in there base, and use Hellions to move around the map, believe it or not a lot of them actually melt stalkers as well. Don't get me wrong I always do drops against Terran whether there going mech or not, it's just not as effective as you say it is. | ||
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fadestep
United States605 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:00 palookieblue wrote: I like how you just assumed all the Terran and Zerg players were rubbish. Nicely done. To be fair the race which encourages the most 'let's make a deathball and 1a' is actually Toss, not that it's relevant at all. Secondly it's 'Vortex', and the whole archon thing was pretty ridiculous. Mothership isn't useless - I'd say mass recall is excellent for versatile movement. Most protoss players go colossus because it's a very easy unit to use, not because it is inherently better. Just get 5+ and the splash will annihilate most ground armies. HTs were actually too powerful and it's nothing new - this has been mentioned months ago. 4gating and Colossus play will always be popular because they're easy to execute. :3 You're right. Mothership is such a piece of shit I forgot what the spell was even called. Reading your post and it looks like... Well... My gosh! It is exactly what I said! Anything useful besides the numbingly easy Colossus and 4gate play is being made prohibitively difficult and inefficient. I'm glad that you agree. And yeah, HT is way too powerful. I mean 80 damage in a small AoE cast by a slow moving, extremely fragile unit that every race has a counter too is too good. I mean, you only need 3 bases to get them safely (if you even try to argue 2base HT, then I know you are even more Bronze than your last post made you look). How the fuck do you picture Protoss defending Terran drops now? It is going to be fucking impossible. Unless you sit a Colossus in every base and keep 3/4 stalkers ready with a platoon of Zealots ready to be warped in then you simply can't (that would be a good use of your army, splitting it into a million tiny chunks when it is based on AoE damage and spell casting!). Anytime, anyplace - Terran can now snipe the shit out of whatever they want. I'm a Zerg on a billion bases vs. a Protoss on a billion bases. I suicide my Corruptors on his Colossus then walk in with a Hydra ball and roll his Gateway units as I remax off a billion larvae. Maybe I even lose my whole fucking Zerg army and he only loses his Colossus. So when I remax on Hydras and attack he has had time to get 2 colossus back and the rest is his Gateway army. Which is completely cost inefficient and awful against Hydra because his HTs still need another 40 fucking seconds before they can do anything. | ||
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lowercase
Canada1047 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:05 gakkgakk wrote: Maybe its just me, but i find it kinda hard to emp templars, especially in vicinity of a xel'naga tower or they have an obs to see it coming. The thing is, if you click feedback on a ghost, your templar will move into range and feedback. A ghost on the other hand you need to watch the outline that shows your range, and get the emp off right before the templar is in range. EMP on templars is dead easy, plus ghosts can cloak while doing it, plus it's AOE and can hit more units, plus it does 100 damage to everything as well, which is more than an entire psi-storm. EMP is the most powerful, game-changing spell in the entire game, with the possible exception of vortex, which just got nerfed, and mass recall, which is useless because the mothership is too slow for a drop. Anyway, these patch notes are on the PTR and I don't expect them all to get through to a final patch, especially Khydarin Amulet. | ||
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farseerdk
Canada504 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:09 Lucius22 wrote: mech builds sensor towers, mech has vikings, mech has blue flame hellions. so, why again is it so easy to drop mech? So, how does mech have enough gas for towers, vikings, thors, tanks, production facilities/add-ons, and upgrades? | ||
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BanelingXD
130 Posts
Mothership - Units leaving the Mothership's Vortex are now un-targetable and immune to damage for 1.5 seconds. I guess the Archon toilet makes the mothership too playable? Seriously, fuck you Blizzard. Just take the unit out of the game and bring back Arbiters. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:11 BanelingXD wrote: I guess the Archon toilet makes the mothership too playable? Seriously, fuck you Blizzard. Just take the unit out of the game and bring back Arbiters. It was blizzard's attempt to counterbalance the reaper nerfs. Take a T unit out of the game, gotta take a P unit out of the game. | ||
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Enzyme
Australia183 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:07 Crushgroove wrote: I really don't understand why Air unit flower had to be fixed..... um... any ideas? Well it did kind of mean that once you got a Viking lead in TvT, it was quite hard to lose that lead if you just kept them in a flower. The opponent needs MORE vikings than you to compensate for the fact all of his vikings won't perfectly fire at once. Good players found a way, but it was kind of silly in my opinion. Will be interesting to see how this changes things. | ||
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ZeroTalent
United States297 Posts
On February 26 2011 12:55 Basileus wrote: First, the fact that stim will come a bit later really wont affect the game that much, 3 racks timing attacks will be delayed, but I think most players can stop that at this point if they know its coming. Stim needs a small nerf in its effectiveness, not the timing. This, mostly. The research time nerf mucks up the 2rax+stim FE timing slightly. Now you can only afford to build 1 marine before adding the tech lab instead of 2 to have a hope of it finishing during a 4gate engagement. But yeah the real issue is the sick DPS terran can get for 50 minerals w/ stim, not how long it takes to research. re: HT ... having the amulet give 20 energy instead of 25 and increasing the energy regen rate would be fine. You can still warp-in to stop medivac drops ... you just have to run the probes away for a few seconds. | ||
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SageFantasma
United States383 Posts
On February 26 2011 11:07 norlock wrote: they want to have a killing instand warp in units that just in one battle can swing over the favour completely. Have you ever heard of the EMP? Have you at least ever heard of the Ghost? Terran has this exactly, except EMP is so, so, so much stronger. I love how Blizzard went from wanting to nerf EMP, to nerfing Storm. Infestors still have Pathogen Glands and therefore insta-Fungal, Ghosts still have Moebius Reactor and therefore insta-EMP, but High Templars can't have Khaydarin Amulet and therefore insta-Storms... Fungals have a pretty close to equivalent area-of-effect radius to Storm, and does about 40 less damage per unit. Yet, EMPs have a larger area-of-effect radius,does anywhere from 1-100 damage, and entirely drains units with energy. Not only that, but EMPs are already researched, where Storm costs 200/200. To make things even BETTER Khaydarin Amulet costs 150/150 with a build time of 110 where Moebius Reactor costs 100/100 with a build time of 80. Let's not forget to mention that Pathogen Glands also cost 150/150 for the "weakest" ability of the three of them. The "strongest" of the three of them, costs the absolute least. C'mon Blizzard. This is your own damn game and you can't even see the flaws in the NUMBERS. I'm not even gonna bother to show you the actual in-game effects, because that's just overkill. T_T;; | ||
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LetoAtreides82
United States1188 Posts
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Essentia
1150 Posts
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KonohaFlash
Canada1590 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:08 Shooks wrote: Most of the people that disagree in bronze, just saying, and the ones that aren't, are still not experimenting with mech play, I don't even know why the whole TvP lategame is OP for protoss is still being brought up, ever since we saw IMMvp vs Squirtle we saw the transition into mech is strong, IMMvp just played it wrong. Then why don't you Show all us Terrans how we're supposed to play Mech? This game has been out for how many months? All you're brought up is Jinro and MVP. What are you trying to say about Mech? That only people at the pro level can utilize it properly? If the vast majority of Terrans out there excluding MVP and Jinro are having trouble using Mech against toss what does that say? | ||
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BanelingXD
130 Posts
Yeah, if there was any doubt that Blizzard is a bunch of Terran fanboys this removes it. Next thing on their list: ban any non-Blizz maps for ladder play. This is disgusting. User was warned for this post | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:13 BanelingXD wrote: Yeah, if there was any doubt that Blizzard is a bunch of Terran fanboys this removes it. Next thing on their list: ban any non-Blizz maps for ladder play. This is disgusting. They already de facto banned non-bliz maps | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On February 26 2011 13:13 KonohaFlash wrote: Then why don't you Show all us Terrans how we're supposed to play Mech? This game has been out for how many months? All you're brought up is Jinro and MVP. What are you trying to say about Mech? That only people at the pro level can utilize it properly? If the vast majority of Terrans out there excluding MVP and Jinro are having trouble using Mech against toss what does that say? Lot of master T on SEA are using mech with great effectiveness vP. It hasn't been that heavily explored but it's certainly viable. | ||
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Buddhist
United States658 Posts
Edit: Also the fungal stun reduction change rofl | ||
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