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Only the people that dislike the system are gonna post here so the numbers seem kinda messed up, why not have a poll, to decide what people really think?
Poll: Do you like the NASL way of picking players?No (59) 53% Yes (35) 31% Don't Care (Just want good games) (18) 16% 112 total votes Your vote: Do you like the NASL way of picking players? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No (Vote): Don't Care (Just want good games)
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On February 22 2011 09:53 avilo wrote: Really disappointed that you have to get "votes" to be able to get higher chances to get in this league. A player like me is not currently on a team, yet capable and has beaten literally tons of the players on the list.
So yeah, it does seem like a lot of popularity is needed since that is the entire point of a "vote" system. Obviously high profile players are going to have tons of votes, but it makes it very much a popularity contest.
With that said, VOTE FOR ME I WANT TO GET IN THIS LEAGUE AND OWN IT UP. 17th place MLG Raliegh, 12th MLG DC, top 200 on planet earth! Gotta list everything now to get in!
I bet I could beat you in a popularity contest avilo!! LOL
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On February 22 2011 09:34 MuteZephyr wrote: That's the only way it should be. The good players who have won lots of tournaments are the popular ones and the ones people want to watch the most. I don't want to watch a bunch of people who just managed to cheese their way into a spot.
You gotta work hard for this tournament, the way it should be.
GO GO ACTIONJEZUS fameous Danish 6pooler! 
Voting Mana and Tarson
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On one side, yeah it could be bad because we could have Husky in the tournament if his fans voted for him. On a positive side we get the people we want in it.
But yeah I wish they'd find a somewhat better format.
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On February 22 2011 09:57 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 09:34 MuteZephyr wrote: That's the only way it should be. The good players who have won lots of tournaments are the popular ones and the ones people want to watch the most. I don't want to watch a bunch of people who just managed to cheese their way into a spot.
You gotta work hard for this tournament, the way it should be. TLO is 4th. He's far from 4th in the world in actual skill, but he's so creative that he's popular. CatZ also is way higher than where he should be, as is Kiwikaki, QXC, Destiny, Demuslim, Dimaga... Overall, if they choose the players via voting it's going to be really unfair. TLO for instance isn't even in the top 16 but is creative, whereas there are players like Morrow that are less popular but who I'd still pick over many of those players any day of the week. That being said, still excited about this tournament. I still don't think that players should be chosen with voting, and that qualifiers should be ran. Everyone needs a chance, even if they aren't currently well-known.
I would rather watch creative, interesting, and exciting play rather than see piqliq cannon rush his way to the top of the ladder. Or than see Morrow do the exact same build every single game. Being a boring but solid player is just that - boring but solid. They can go win open tournaments but they don't make for exciting TV.
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On February 22 2011 09:57 Swerc wrote: Ok then why is the poll even there? It specifically says "to increase their chances" of getting in..
NOT
we will solely be basing our decisions on this poll.. i think there is a very particular choice in language that they have done deliberately..
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On February 22 2011 09:57 Aegeis wrote: Athene is rising up really fast, I wonder if NASL will take them seriously. hope not
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I honestly hope votes have nothing to do with the player selection. Yes, some of those top voted players are the most accomplished (IdrA, Jinro, etc.) but many are not -- they're just well-liked.
Well-liked players should not take precedence to good players. This also means people who can win the qualification tournament should carry more weight than those who just get a free pass in for their name.
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The voting system is good but should be more like a 8/8 or atleast a 12-4 with vote/open tournement, to make it easier for people to break through.
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On February 22 2011 09:39 CDRdude wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 09:37 Marou wrote:On February 22 2011 09:35 Brad wrote:On February 22 2011 09:34 MuteZephyr wrote: That's the only way it should be. The good players who have won lots of tournaments are the popular ones and the ones people want to watch the most. I don't want to watch a bunch of people who just managed to cheese their way into a spot.
You gotta work hard for this tournament, the way it should be. Uhm, no? Popularity has nothing to do with success. Well lucky us in StarCraft it does. YellOw wants to say hello.
... Yell0w was unsuccessful?
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I say we just take 1 year, take top 5000 from each server, then just keep putting them in X groups and round robin bo7 until you whittle down to the top 15. That way we won't have to worry about invites vs qualifiers vs popularity votes!
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Why do I have to force myself to be a politician to have a higher chance to qualify into this league, rather than the merits of my own play? That's not just for me either, there are TONS of amazing players right now, and the way this is obviously favors the ones that are already very well known.
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This is why the SC community is amazing, the fans get the option to vote for players they want to see compete.... nah fuck that.
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Who said we're picking players entirely from this vote?
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We should all vote for actionjesus.
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We'll have to wait and see whether this is a bad idea or not. If someone is left out while another fan favorite who might not be as good gets voted in, then sure. Not all fan favorites are the best, but with 50 parcipants, I don't think many of the best will be left out.
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i think this hurts the competitiveness although obviously, on average, the most competitive players will get in but seriously this is like american idol. i can imagine some undeserving players slipping in and some seriously legit but less popular players getting snubbed
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On February 22 2011 09:53 Swerc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 09:52 feanor1 wrote: Its worth noting players may not be available to vote for because it requires them to be able to commit to fly out to LA for an extended period of time if they make top 15. Yeah but paid for so don't waste our time with this junk Its not fully paid for, and BratOK has missed multiple....multiple tournaments with visa issues.
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On February 22 2011 09:59 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 09:57 Shikyo wrote:On February 22 2011 09:34 MuteZephyr wrote: That's the only way it should be. The good players who have won lots of tournaments are the popular ones and the ones people want to watch the most. I don't want to watch a bunch of people who just managed to cheese their way into a spot.
You gotta work hard for this tournament, the way it should be. TLO is 4th. He's far from 4th in the world in actual skill, but he's so creative that he's popular. CatZ also is way higher than where he should be, as is Kiwikaki, QXC, Destiny, Demuslim, Dimaga... Overall, if they choose the players via voting it's going to be really unfair. TLO for instance isn't even in the top 16 but is creative, whereas there are players like Morrow that are less popular but who I'd still pick over many of those players any day of the week. That being said, still excited about this tournament. I still don't think that players should be chosen with voting, and that qualifiers should be ran. Everyone needs a chance, even if they aren't currently well-known. I would rather watch creative, interesting, and exciting play rather than see piqliq cannon rush his way to the top of the ladder. Or than see Morrow do the exact same build every single game. Being a boring but solid player is just that - boring but solid. They can go win open tournaments but they don't make for exciting TV. Morrow a boring player? He's pretty much been re-inventing Zerg these past months. Also, "creative interesting and exciting play" often happens to be cannon-rushing and cheese. I'm not sure why a TLO cannon rush and Piqliq cannon rush are any different.
If you want to see exciting play instead of people playing to win, you can watch funday monday.
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