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avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 00:55:15
February 22 2011 00:53 GMT
#61
Really disappointed that you have to get "votes" to be able to get higher chances to get in this league. A player like me is not currently on a team, yet capable and has beaten literally tons of the players on the list.

So yeah, it does seem like a lot of popularity is needed since that is the entire point of a "vote" system. Obviously high profile players are going to have tons of votes, but it makes it very much a popularity contest.

With that said, VOTE FOR ME I WANT TO GET IN THIS LEAGUE AND OWN IT UP.
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Swerc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States124 Posts
February 22 2011 00:53 GMT
#62
On February 22 2011 09:52 feanor1 wrote:
Its worth noting players may not be available to vote for because it requires them to be able to commit to fly out to LA for an extended period of time if they make top 15.


Yeah but paid for so don't waste our time with this junk
Gym. Tan. Laundry.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 00:54:53
February 22 2011 00:53 GMT
#63
On February 22 2011 09:51 MuteZephyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 09:46 Brad wrote:
On February 22 2011 09:46 MuteZephyr wrote:
On February 22 2011 09:39 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Popularity =/= success, guys

Look at Idra, he has a bunch of haters, does that mean he isn't very successful? no... He has a bunch of fans too ofc, but so do many other players.


IdrA is probably in the top 5 most popular players of all time. And he most certainly deserves a spot.


You're missing the point.

I disagree. I want to see consistently good players, not players that managed to luckily beat someone in a qualifier.

That aside, the more popular the players playing, the more viewers, the more exposure, the more sponsorship, the more everything good for esports. Plus, there's spots for qualifiers anyway.


I'm with this guy. You can win a qualifier by 4 gating half your games and cannon rushing another quarter. (cruncher)

I would much rather see people who we know are going to deliver good games and who have earned the spot over six months rather than one weekend.





edit:
On February 22 2011 09:53 avilo wrote:
Really disappointed that you have to get "votes" to be able to get higher chances to get in this league. A player like me is not currently on a team, yet capable and has beaten literally tons of the players on the list.

So yeah, it does seem like a lot of popularity is needed since that is the entire point of a "vote" system. Obviously high profile players are going to have tons of votes, but it makes it very much a popularity contest.

With that said, VOTE FOR ME I WANT TO GET IN THIS LEAGUE AND OWN IT UP.


It explicitly says that you have to be on a team to be in the league, so... you should get on that.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Lipski
Profile Joined October 2010
Poland373 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 00:54:32
February 22 2011 00:54 GMT
#64
you guys are weird. they never said the players will be picked based solely on the number of votes. they said you can vote for your favorite player to increase his/her chances of being picked. that is kind of big difference.
"i'll just train hard and win the next one"
Swerc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States124 Posts
February 22 2011 00:54 GMT
#65
On February 22 2011 09:54 Lipski wrote:
you guys are weird. they never said the players will be picked based solely on the number of votes. they said you can vote for your favorite player to increashe his/her chances of being picked. that is kind of big difference.

Incorrect, it;s pretty much exactly how they're picked.
Gym. Tan. Laundry.
FrostyTreats
Profile Joined January 2011
United States355 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 00:58:57
February 22 2011 00:55 GMT
#66
On February 22 2011 09:53 avilo wrote:
Really disappointed that you have to get "votes" to be able to get higher chances to get in this league. A player like me is not currently on a team, yet capable and has beaten literally tons of the players on the list.

So yeah, it does seem like a lot of popularity is needed since that is the entire point of a "vote" system. Obviously high profile players are going to have tons of votes, but it makes it very much a popularity contest.

With that said, VOTE FOR ME I WANT TO GET IN THIS LEAGUE AND OWN IT UP.

on top of that, qualifying is nigh impossible even for the best... only 1 spot...
also being on a team seems kind of dumb to get in the league. It forces players who are waiting for better deals to settle for something they aren't looking for just to play.
Doesn't offer any opportunities for upstart players. a 1000 man open tourney is not a chance at all. Bomber couldn't even qualify for the GSL and yet hes probably more capable then 98% of the GSL players and he had a better chance to qualify then he would have with this setup.
They really really need to fix qualification process.
Zechs
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom321 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 00:59:15
February 22 2011 00:55 GMT
#67
Understanding this a little more, i think it's actually a reasonable system but could do with a few tweaks. I'm still not keen on the popularity contest part, but you obviously need some way to decide who gets in for the first season ("da ends justify da means?) Still, i'd prefer to see the qualifier spots increased to at least four, preferably even six or eight.

The important thing, in my opinion, is how it leads into season two. There needs to be a reasonable promotion/relegation kind of system to enable up-and-coming players their chance to shine. If it's capped at one new guy (or, if it's done like GSL, potentially zero new guys) per season then it stifles competition. I guess there's nothing official on that yet though, so fingers crossed...
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shaunnn
Profile Joined October 2010
Ireland1230 Posts
February 22 2011 00:55 GMT
#68
Feel bad for swedish and ukraine players that arnt sjow and morrow and white -ra and dimaga, no one to vote for kas,strelok, nani and thorzain merz etc etc
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Gimix
Profile Joined October 2010
United States67 Posts
February 22 2011 00:55 GMT
#69
What's wrong with having qualifying tournaments like they have for the gsl?

A voting system is nice in theory, but seems to strongly favor players already well known. This is especially true for top players that stream.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
February 22 2011 00:56 GMT
#70
On February 22 2011 09:54 Swerc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 09:54 Lipski wrote:
you guys are weird. they never said the players will be picked based solely on the number of votes. they said you can vote for your favorite player to increashe his/her chances of being picked. that is kind of big difference.

Incorrect, it;s pretty much exactly how they're picked.



What's your source for that? Where does anyone say that this is the only factor in who gets a spot?

(hint: it doesn't)
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
February 22 2011 00:56 GMT
#71
On February 22 2011 09:53 avilo wrote:
Really disappointed that you have to get "votes" to be able to get higher chances to get in this league. A player like me is not currently on a team, yet capable and has beaten literally tons of the players on the list.

So yeah, it does seem like a lot of popularity is needed since that is the entire point of a "vote" system. Obviously high profile players are going to have tons of votes, but it makes it very much a popularity contest.

With that said, VOTE FOR ME I WANT TO GET IN THIS LEAGUE AND OWN IT UP.


Avilo, I respect you as a player, but don't you think if you win a decent size tournament or rank high you will gain popularity and wont go unoticed?

All popular players that are popular are good; with the exceptions of the ones with whacky personalities, or CombatEX.

Not popular players need to work to be popular. Whether it's winning a big tournament, or streaming for TL etc.
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qbs
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland771 Posts
February 22 2011 00:56 GMT
#72
On February 22 2011 09:53 avilo wrote:
Really disappointed that you have to get "votes" to be able to get higher chances to get in this league. A player like me is not currently on a team, yet capable and has beaten literally tons of the players on the list.

So yeah, it does seem like a lot of popularity is needed since that is the entire point of a "vote" system. Obviously high profile players are going to have tons of votes, but it makes it very much a popularity contest.

With that said, VOTE FOR ME I WANT TO GET IN THIS LEAGUE AND OWN IT UP.
17th place MLG Raliegh, 12th MLG DC, top 200 on planet earth! Gotta list everything now to get in!


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bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 00:57:57
February 22 2011 00:56 GMT
#73
On February 22 2011 09:53 avilo wrote:
Really disappointed that you have to get "votes" to be able to get higher chances to get in this league. A player like me is not currently on a team, yet capable and has beaten literally tons of the players on the list.

So yeah, it does seem like a lot of popularity is needed since that is the entire point of a "vote" system. Obviously high profile players are going to have tons of votes, but it makes it very much a popularity contest.

With that said, VOTE FOR ME I WANT TO GET IN THIS LEAGUE AND OWN IT UP.
17th place MLG Raliegh, 12th MLG DC, top 200 on planet earth! Gotta list everything now to get in!

I am sure you are talented... but the rules say you must be on a team..

On February 22 2011 09:54 Swerc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 09:54 Lipski wrote:
you guys are weird. they never said the players will be picked based solely on the number of votes. they said you can vote for your favorite player to increashe his/her chances of being picked. that is kind of big difference.

Incorrect, it;s pretty much exactly how they're picked.

That's a bold statement you are making there - one that i fear is incorrect..

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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 00:59:15
February 22 2011 00:57 GMT
#74
On February 22 2011 09:34 MuteZephyr wrote:
That's the only way it should be. The good players who have won lots of tournaments are the popular ones and the ones people want to watch the most. I don't want to watch a bunch of people who just managed to cheese their way into a spot.

You gotta work hard for this tournament, the way it should be.

TLO is 4th. He's far from 4th in the world in actual skill, but he's so creative that he's popular. CatZ also is way higher than where he should be, as is Kiwikaki, QXC, Destiny, Demuslim, Dimaga...

Overall, if they choose the players via voting it's going to be really unfair. TLO for instance isn't even in the top 16 imo but is creative, whereas there are players like Morrow that are less popular but who I'd still pick over many of those players any day of the week.

That being said, still excited about this tournament. I still don't think that players should be chosen with voting, and that qualifiers should be ran. Everyone needs a chance, even if they aren't currently well-known.
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Aegeis
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1619 Posts
February 22 2011 00:57 GMT
#75
Athene is rising up really fast, I wonder if NASL will take them seriously.
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Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
February 22 2011 00:57 GMT
#76
cant wait for China to vote in Yao Ming again, and Bieber for NBA Celebrity MVP
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Swerc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States124 Posts
February 22 2011 00:57 GMT
#77
Ok then why is the poll even there?
Gym. Tan. Laundry.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
February 22 2011 00:57 GMT
#78
On February 22 2011 09:57 Aegeis wrote:
Athene is rising up really fast, I wonder if NASL will take them seriously.


I hope not.
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Krikan
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway520 Posts
February 22 2011 00:58 GMT
#79
Wow, please read the interview with incontrol abut NASL before you bother posting anything about how shit's gonna be. They're hoping for 3-4 max 5 players from the biggest teams in the western scene, matches will be played on NA server from April 5th or so and due to the nature of there being insane lag issues with this, koreans will have a hard time participating. So the votes is more or less an estimate of which players to choose from the biggest teams.

Seriously do research before you post dumb shit on this forum, please.
Naniwa on making the MLG finals: Uh, it's ok.
GhostFall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States830 Posts
February 22 2011 00:58 GMT
#80
I'm wondering. If Husky with his massive fanbase said, hey vote for me for NASL. He would easily get voted up to be at least top 50.

Players actually have to get people to vote for them. Gamers aren't politicians, they're competitors.
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