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Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
February 22 2011 00:47 GMT
#41
Lol, where's Brat_OK. I need to votez ;(
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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
February 22 2011 00:48 GMT
#42
On February 22 2011 09:40 GenoZStriker wrote:
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On February 22 2011 09:35 Skillz_Man wrote:
What's the problem of only champions being in the tournament?

You want the biggest league with popular players, that's what you get. Consider that your qualifier; winning a tournament.

Popular players don't mean the best players in the world which is where his concern comes from. If TLOpen has proven anything is that there are so many players in the scene that are overlooked because they are not TLO's, MorroW or Strelok yet they are just as good or possibly better than them. Which is why the whole popularity contest thing will diminish the chances of good/better players not being able to compete.


I'll be honest with you. I'm certain that mostly everyone would prefer to see a player like let's say Tester because he's popular, compared to say ONECruncher who yes, won a TLOpen... But he doesn't have that name. Popularity is everything.

IF you win a MLG or get top 4, you WILL become popular; so there is no problem whatsoever.
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Deleted User 108965
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1096 Posts
February 22 2011 00:48 GMT
#43
do we even know that that is the ONLY way that people will get in? i havent seen any indication that voting is the sole way for a player to make the league
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qbs
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland771 Posts
February 22 2011 00:50 GMT
#44
On February 22 2011 09:44 sickoota wrote:
Incontrol is currently sitting at tenth, obviously actual results have nothing to do with popularity.


yeah it should be like GSL ( or something similar ) qualifiers and then the main tournament i hope those are not final rules ; /
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Daigomi
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
South Africa4316 Posts
February 22 2011 00:50 GMT
#45
They could have made it a pure invite tournament, but they're taking inputs from the community which is nice. I would have liked to see more open qualifier spots though, like 8 of the last 16, or 16 of the 50. The main problem with pure invite tournaments is that they lead to the same players being selected over and over again. If you want the best players to participate, you should have a way for new players to make a name for themselves. If you look at the TLOpen, quite a few players were relative unknowns before the tournament (Empire.Kas, for example), and since then I've seen them everywhere. These players are more than good enough to compete at the top level, they just need a stage to perform on.

I hope they'll find a way for more than one player to qualify through an open tournament.
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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
February 22 2011 00:50 GMT
#46
On February 22 2011 09:42 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
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Thinking your post on TL.net has anything to do with being responsible is a little bit hilarious..


Are you basically saying that TL is a joke and we shouldn't discuss things about eSports here because we have no power?

Also, finding out the flaws =/= posting on TL

This is eSports we're talking about, and it's still in its infancy especially in NA... it should be the best it can be and have the cleanest start possible to ensure a good future.


Edit: Also, what about Koreans? Are none of them on the voting list? Are they saying that Asians will have to compete in that Open Tournament? So basically this is a foreigners' only league?


According to the interview with iNcontroL, Koreans will probably be able to compete in the open tournament but capped at five. The reason he gives for this is the nasty latency issues as well as physical time-zone limitations. They will also have to be able to physically make the finals, which could pose issues for some Koreans.

Whether or not you think this is fair is another issue. The GSL has the funds and backing to reach out to foreigners, but even they aren't seeded directly into Code S (the top 32) until they prove themselves in Code A. In time, I suspect the NASL may do a similar thing with inviting a few Koreans.
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
February 22 2011 00:50 GMT
#47
Skillz_man Russian Federation. February 22 2011 9:51 Posts 1

I vote for BratOK. He's an amazing player.
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Aaayaaa
Profile Joined December 2010
United States88 Posts
February 22 2011 00:50 GMT
#48
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Gigaudas
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden1213 Posts
February 22 2011 00:51 GMT
#49
On February 22 2011 09:46 BasedSwag wrote:
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On February 22 2011 09:39 Gigaudas wrote:
Why this is a terrible idea:

Players of certain nationalities will have an advantage. Americans and Russians (and with Russians I mean Brat_OK looking at the backing he got in the GOM foreign invitees thread ) specifically.


Brat_OK isn't even on the list of players you can vote for.


You wait and see - it's really late at night in Russia but once goodgame.ru posts a news bulletin Brat_OK will dominate and a lot of other Eastern Europeans will get a boost.

Brat_OK definitely deserves a spot (fingers crossed he won't be stopped by VISA problems again) though
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MuteZephyr
Profile Joined August 2010
Lithuania448 Posts
February 22 2011 00:51 GMT
#50
On February 22 2011 09:46 Brad wrote:
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On February 22 2011 09:46 MuteZephyr wrote:
On February 22 2011 09:39 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Popularity =/= success, guys

Look at Idra, he has a bunch of haters, does that mean he isn't very successful? no... He has a bunch of fans too ofc, but so do many other players.


IdrA is probably in the top 5 most popular players of all time. And he most certainly deserves a spot.


You're missing the point.

I disagree. I want to see consistently good players, not players that managed to luckily beat someone in a qualifier.

That aside, the more popular the players playing, the more viewers, the more exposure, the more sponsorship, the more everything good for esports. Plus, there's spots for qualifiers anyway.
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Miena
Profile Joined December 2010
United States24 Posts
February 22 2011 00:51 GMT
#51
Just because were voting on who we want to see, doesn't mean these are all going to be the people in the tournament..
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TheValley
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland56 Posts
February 22 2011 00:51 GMT
#52
disappointing more question then i have before announcement...
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 00:53:03
February 22 2011 00:51 GMT
#53
OP got a really good point. Hopefully people won't start voting for HD/Husky or some other people who are popular, but not really that good as a players.

edit: The current list looks really awesome though!
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Swerc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States124 Posts
February 22 2011 00:51 GMT
#54
Yeah not the greatest way to do this, I dunno, could work
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feanor1
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1899 Posts
February 22 2011 00:52 GMT
#55
Its worth noting players may not be available to vote for because it requires them to be able to commit to fly out to LA for an extended period of time if they make top 15.
GhostFall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States830 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 00:54:08
February 22 2011 00:52 GMT
#56
I hope inControl and NASL keep a close eye on the 50 player voting system. Everything about the NASL seems rock solid, except this really odd voting part.

Granted the best players will usually be the most popular. But where its going to get messy is with teams. Team liquid for example, will always be voted higher than other teams. There can be some dude who is better team liquid players, but he might just get edged out on votes. Or how bout interteam voting. Max 5 players from each team right? well Huk is one of the most popular Liquid players because of people like Husky and HD. However, there might be a situation that forms where he becomes the 6th best player on TL, but still edges out another TL member for 5th because of his popularity.


All 50 players should earn their spots imo. A Code S/Code A up/Down rotation or something would be ideal.

For the most part, the top 35-40, are cemented. Its the bottom 10-15 I'm worried about. Also, we want good turnover. If a newcomer proves himself, and is the next Flash or something, how easy would it be for him to enter this thing? what if he is not a visible player? what then?
Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
February 22 2011 00:52 GMT
#57
I knew it wouldn't take some people long to start complaining. Can't you people just be thankful for whats put in front of you for once and not have to always complain??
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BasedSwag
Profile Joined April 2010
Algeria418 Posts
February 22 2011 00:52 GMT
#58
On February 22 2011 09:51 Gigaudas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 09:46 BasedSwag wrote:
On February 22 2011 09:39 Gigaudas wrote:
Why this is a terrible idea:

Players of certain nationalities will have an advantage. Americans and Russians (and with Russians I mean Brat_OK looking at the backing he got in the GOM foreign invitees thread ) specifically.


Brat_OK isn't even on the list of players you can vote for.


You wait and see - it's really late at night in Russia but once goodgame.ru posts a news bulletin Brat_OK will dominate and a lot of other Eastern Europeans will get a boost.

Brat_OK definitely deserves a spot (fingers crossed he won't be stopped by VISA problems again) though


I already added BRAT_OK myself when NASL.TV came up but it's still awaiting moderator approval.
oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
February 22 2011 00:52 GMT
#59
I am OK with it being just a popularity contest and less about qualifying right now, but hopefully in the future it will expand into qualifiers with rank status like GSL.
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.Trex
Profile Joined December 2010
73 Posts
February 22 2011 00:52 GMT
#60
Can't find my name in the list ! damn I'm my favorite player of all time
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