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Piqliq's votes are actually counting down, pretty hilarious.
On February 22 2011 11:51 Cheeznuklz wrote:
This thread is absurd.
iNcontroL and company put forth a huge effort to set up this unprecedented competition and a thread immediately appears to criticize a simple vote feature. It's as if 5 men have built you a mansion with their bare hands and you walk in and complain about the color of the goddamn wallpaper.
Not really. It's not complaining, it's questioning/criticizing. And it's more like the structural integrity of the house, like whether or not it's going to fall on us or not. Or maybe if there are any doors or any way to get in, if you aren't already in.
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On February 22 2011 11:51 Cheeznuklz wrote:
This thread is absurd.
iNcontroL and company put forth a huge effort to set up this unprecedented competition and a thread immediately appears to criticize a simple vote feature. It's as if 5 men have built you a mansion with their bare hands and you walk in and complain about the color of the goddamn wallpaper.
Wallpaper would be an inapt comparison. A better thing to complain about would be the shoddy foundation work as because the players make the tournament what it is.
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i actually think that the "popularity contest" is a good component to be added in selecting players (im not saying it should be the only factor but it should be considered). the goal of NASL (and maybe even most of the forum readers/posters here in TL) is to make eSports big in the West. the players who are most popular are those that create content which displays their skills and puts their name out there in the interweb, their efforts in creating content and spreading the game should be rewarded with further exposure through the NASL. its pretty simple; popular players have a huge fan base. if they play in the NASL they will bring their fans along with them and this will hopefully further proliferate SC2 and eSports ^_^
just my two cents
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On February 22 2011 11:47 itungle wrote:
i srsly cant stand how people starting to troll this voting system... LIKE COME ON PEOPLE this FKING* tournament is 400k+ and u guys starting to TROLL this voting system....
NASL are generously enough to LET the community speak and I dont think the community is doing what NASL wants. PIQLIQ(cheeser in the community?) and Destiny(streamer) for example I guess have a lot of fame but the thing is they did not accomplish other and did not show enough high level. I felt like NASL should just pick half the people they want in the tournament and half for qualifier like TSL Well, Destiny's votes were gained from legitimate votes, not a bot/hack like PiqLiq's so I would not categorize that as trolling.
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This voting thing is reminding me of that "stupid $5 game" that was on these forums about a month ago.
But anyway, I'm glad to hear that the voting isn't what ultimately chooses the players, but I would still like to see a LOT more weight given to the open qualifiers. Some invites are fine, having only a single person making it in from the open is, imho, not nearly enough.
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On February 22 2011 11:51 Cheeznuklz wrote:
This thread is absurd.
iNcontroL and company put forth a huge effort to set up this unprecedented competition and a thread immediately appears to criticize a simple vote feature. It's as if 5 men have built you a mansion with their bare hands and you walk in and complain about the color of the goddamn wallpaper.
No one in the thread is saying they are boycotting NASL. I'm pretty sure most of us will get the premium pass. I know i will. Success is built upon criticism.
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On February 22 2011 11:51 Cheeznuklz wrote:
This thread is absurd.
iNcontroL and company put forth a huge effort to set up this unprecedented competition and a thread immediately appears to criticize a simple vote feature. It's as if 5 men have built you a mansion with their bare hands and you walk in and complain about the color of the goddamn wallpaper.
At first I think this thread is also absurd but the way people starting to vote feel like it is actually not. I know EGiNcontroL, Russ, and others put a lot of time in this but people is really abusing the voting system.
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That's right, PiQLiQ can cheese *anything*. Also Destiny.. /sigh /facepalm
Whatever the outcome of this though, you can't say it didn't add to the entertainment value, so well done Inc!
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I'm pretty sure there are some legit PiQLiQ votes in there. The guy is fun to watch, especially when he snipes streamers and calls them bad ^_^
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On February 22 2011 11:53 TheRPGAddict wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 11:47 itungle wrote:
i srsly cant stand how people starting to troll this voting system... LIKE COME ON PEOPLE this FKING* tournament is 400k+ and u guys starting to TROLL this voting system....
NASL are generously enough to LET the community speak and I dont think the community is doing what NASL wants. PIQLIQ(cheeser in the community?) and Destiny(streamer) for example I guess have a lot of fame but the thing is they did not accomplish other and did not show enough high level. I felt like NASL should just pick half the people they want in the tournament and half for qualifier like TSL Well, Destiny's votes were gained from legitimate votes, not a bot/hack like PiqLiq's so I would not categorize that as trolling.
Actually your wrong. Destiny's votes have dropped alot.
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On February 22 2011 09:37 Marou wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 09:35 Brad wrote:On February 22 2011 09:34 MuteZephyr wrote:
That's the only way it should be. The good players who have won lots of tournaments are the popular ones and the ones people want to watch the most. I don't want to watch a bunch of people who just managed to cheese their way into a spot.
You gotta work hard for this tournament, the way it should be. Uhm, no? Popularity has nothing to do with success. Well lucky us in StarCraft it does.
Look at that poll to your right, Boxer is the most popular, but you could hardly say that he's better than ANYONE on that list right now.
Edit: Crap, I wasted my 1500 post on this! But I think i made a good point.
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On February 22 2011 11:54 squintz wrote:
I'm pretty sure there are some legit PiQLiQ votes in there. The guy is fun to watch, especially when he snipes streamers and calls them bad ^_^
haha I love that too.
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Okay. So I should have figured this out before today, but this is getting utterly retarded everyone. So fucking retarded.
NASL obviously wants to hit the ground running, and that means having 50 players ready to go as of April 5th. So, how should they do that? They're already going to be sinking ungodly amounts of money and man power into the 3 hours of daily content, 5 days a week, for 14 weeks. How can they get a pool of credible contenders without it getting completely out of control with 5000000000 months of open qualifiers and still keep their tournament populated with players that are credible?
Oh. I have an idea. Put up a lot of names of reasonably qualified players and have people vote on them. Then, woah, have Incontrol and other people who are intimately connected with the scene vote on who to put in after taking into account the vote.
Wait, is that what they're doing now? Oh. The way everyone was talking it sounded like Incontrol was just going to let Totalbiscuit fucking play, because he happened to get most of the votes by April 1st.
This is a brand new tournament, and they needed a solid base of players to play. They don't have the funding of the GSL, I'm sure, and couldn't afford to field a humongous qualifying round that takes 3 months.
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On February 22 2011 11:47 itungle wrote:
i srsly cant stand how people starting to troll this voting system... LIKE COME ON PEOPLE this FKING* tournament is 400k+ and u guys starting to TROLL this voting system....
NASL are generously enough to LET the community speak and I dont think the community is doing what NASL wants. PIQLIQ(cheeser in the community?) and Destiny(streamer) for example I guess have a lot of fame but the thing is they did not accomplish other and did not show enough high level. I felt like NASL should just pick half the people they want in the tournament and half for qualifier like TSL
Polls en voting systems are getting trolled since the birth of the internet. You think they dont know that. Just relax, they will be inviting the players everyone wants to see.
Rember they siad they want community feedback. One poll isnt all of the community.
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On February 22 2011 11:55 DyEnasTy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 11:53 TheRPGAddict wrote:On February 22 2011 11:47 itungle wrote:
i srsly cant stand how people starting to troll this voting system... LIKE COME ON PEOPLE this FKING* tournament is 400k+ and u guys starting to TROLL this voting system....
NASL are generously enough to LET the community speak and I dont think the community is doing what NASL wants. PIQLIQ(cheeser in the community?) and Destiny(streamer) for example I guess have a lot of fame but the thing is they did not accomplish other and did not show enough high level. I felt like NASL should just pick half the people they want in the tournament and half for qualifier like TSL Well, Destiny's votes were gained from legitimate votes, not a bot/hack like PiqLiq's so I would not categorize that as trolling. Actually your wrong. Destiny's votes have dropped alot. I know that, but the votes that have been earned were not from automated bots or a hack like the majority of PiqLiq's. His loss votes were the product of someone's trolling as no one else lost that many votes let alone that fast.
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lol - I love how much people think voting matters.
These types of threads popped up when they did that fun voting for the GSL and everyone flipped out about "IT SHOUDLN"T BE A POPULARITY CONTEST!!"
People WAY overestimate THEIR importance sometimes. Voting things like that are simply a way to make the community feel involved, and add an interactive feature to the website and drive some traffic. Do you really think someone who is a great player isn't going to get invited because they don't get votes in some fun pole that is thrown up? Do you really think some terrible player is going to end up there because he just votes himself up? Give the people running this some credit.
Also, the most popular players are also pretty much the best players. There isn't like some gold hack out there that everyone loves watching, and at the same time the players that are competitive and near the top of tournaments are also typically popular across the board.
Also, a few open qualifiers or things like that fine to get some fresh faces. But we know who the best players are and who we want to see. I don't want to miss seeing some of the better players because they get knocked out by garbage cheese in some open qualifier.
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On February 22 2011 11:58 TheRPGAddict wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 11:55 DyEnasTy wrote:On February 22 2011 11:53 TheRPGAddict wrote:On February 22 2011 11:47 itungle wrote:
i srsly cant stand how people starting to troll this voting system... LIKE COME ON PEOPLE this FKING* tournament is 400k+ and u guys starting to TROLL this voting system....
NASL are generously enough to LET the community speak and I dont think the community is doing what NASL wants. PIQLIQ(cheeser in the community?) and Destiny(streamer) for example I guess have a lot of fame but the thing is they did not accomplish other and did not show enough high level. I felt like NASL should just pick half the people they want in the tournament and half for qualifier like TSL Well, Destiny's votes were gained from legitimate votes, not a bot/hack like PiqLiq's so I would not categorize that as trolling. Actually your wrong. Destiny's votes have dropped alot. I know that, but the votes that have been earned were not from automated bots or a hack like the majority of PiqLiq's. His loss votes were the product of someone's trolling as no one else lost that many votes let alone that fast.
Could be that the Destiny bot used a static IP with some sort of cookie deletion where as the PiQLiQ bot is using proxies or dynamic IPs.
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On February 22 2011 11:57 Mauldo wrote:
Okay. So I should have figured this out before today, but this is getting utterly retarded everyone. So fucking retarded.
NASL obviously wants to hit the ground running, and that means having 50 players ready to go as of April 5th. So, how should they do that? They're already going to be sinking ungodly amounts of money and man power into the 3 hours of daily content, 5 days a week, for 14 weeks. How can they get a pool of credible contenders without it getting completely out of control with 5000000000 months of open qualifiers and still keep their tournament populated with players that are credible?
Oh. I have an idea. Put up a lot of names of reasonably qualified players and have people vote on them. Then, woah, have Incontrol and other people who are intimately connected with the scene vote on who to put in after taking into account the vote.
Wait, is that what they're doing now? Oh. The way everyone was talking it sounded like Incontrol was just going to let Totalbiscuit fucking play, because he happened to get most of the votes by April 1st.
This is a brand new tournament, and they needed a solid base of players to play. They don't have the funding of the GSL, I'm sure, and couldn't afford to field a humongous qualifying round that takes 3 months.
Fair enough, but why not a simple online, open tournament in NA, where the top X players get invites, along with another Y number of players invited based on what you said? (Where X is > 1... or 4... :/)
Like I said before, perhaps 16 from the open tourney, 32 from invites, resulting in 48, rather than the 50 they already have planned to compete for the final 16 spots.
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On February 22 2011 12:01 squintz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 11:58 TheRPGAddict wrote:On February 22 2011 11:55 DyEnasTy wrote:On February 22 2011 11:53 TheRPGAddict wrote:On February 22 2011 11:47 itungle wrote:
i srsly cant stand how people starting to troll this voting system... LIKE COME ON PEOPLE this FKING* tournament is 400k+ and u guys starting to TROLL this voting system....
NASL are generously enough to LET the community speak and I dont think the community is doing what NASL wants. PIQLIQ(cheeser in the community?) and Destiny(streamer) for example I guess have a lot of fame but the thing is they did not accomplish other and did not show enough high level. I felt like NASL should just pick half the people they want in the tournament and half for qualifier like TSL Well, Destiny's votes were gained from legitimate votes, not a bot/hack like PiqLiq's so I would not categorize that as trolling. Actually your wrong. Destiny's votes have dropped alot. I know that, but the votes that have been earned were not from automated bots or a hack like the majority of PiqLiq's. His loss votes were the product of someone's trolling as no one else lost that many votes let alone that fast. Could be that the Destiny bot used a static IP with some sort of cookie deletion where as the PiQLiQ bot is using proxies or dynamic IPs.
Far more likely that Destiny is just more popular than most progamers, regardless of how much you like/dislike him.
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Nothing wrong with using votes to guide invites. The organizers might forget about someone, but the masses probably won't
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