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GhostFall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States830 Posts
February 22 2011 01:08 GMT
#121
On February 22 2011 10:06 iNcontroL wrote:
The voting is a fun way to get involved and support your favorite players. It helps but by no means WHAT SO EVER decides who gets selected.

Please stop looking for ways to make this a bad thing.


Please make this clear on the NASL website.
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
February 22 2011 01:08 GMT
#122
On February 22 2011 10:01 Xeris wrote:
Who said we're picking players entirely from this vote?

And how will you decide if e.g. a famous caster gets 100k votes from his community and ranked at first place?
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avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
February 22 2011 01:08 GMT
#123
On February 22 2011 10:06 iNcontroL wrote:
The voting is a fun way to get involved and support your favorite players. It helps but by no means WHAT SO EVER decides who gets selected.

Please stop looking for ways to make this a bad thing.


That is good news! I don't think anyone is trying to make it a bad thing at all, they're pointing out that lots of the lesser known but equally good players will get shafted by this type of voting system !
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Meteora.GB
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2479 Posts
February 22 2011 01:08 GMT
#124
I was about to say something negatively about the whole popularity thing, but it does make some sense. The NASL will be aiming to be one of the most prestigious tournaments in the world, where some of the best and most popular players will compete for the prizepool. To do this, most of the spots, if not, all of them needs to be closed and seeded with more well known players than random half-ass. This does close off any new blood, but they need to prove their worth in smaller tournaments before going for something as big as the NASL.

Just my 2 cents.
mdma-_-
Profile Joined October 2010
Nauru1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 01:10:47
February 22 2011 01:09 GMT
#125
lulz i hope they only take the votes as suggestions, not as a deciding factor who to invite. (Steven Bonnell in top5 srsly?) If they choose to invite players only based off votes, that would be very underwhelming...

Edit:
On February 22 2011 10:06 iNcontroL wrote:
The voting is a fun way to get involved and support your favorite players. It helps but by no means WHAT SO EVER decides who gets selected.

Please stop looking for ways to make this a bad thing.

ok its all good : )
pyrestrike
Profile Joined October 2010
United States235 Posts
February 22 2011 01:09 GMT
#126
On February 22 2011 10:01 Xeris wrote:
Who said we're picking players entirely from this vote?


The fact that you are picking at all creates a point of contention. A fully open tourney can lead to bad games like the first few seasons of the GSL, but having handpicked players leads to scrutiny and a stagnant player base.

I can see it working if the 1000 man open tourney is streamed after the ro16, so that we can see who is playing really well, and those top 16 have a shot at getting in to the 50 regulars in the next season. There has to be some way for players who are performing really well to break in to the league, regardless of how many open spots there are during a season.
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
February 22 2011 01:10 GMT
#127
On February 22 2011 10:06 pit__ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 10:04 strongandbig wrote:
On February 22 2011 10:00 avilo wrote:
Why do I have to force myself to be a politician to have a higher chance to qualify into this league, rather than the merits of my own play? That's not just for me either, there are TONS of amazing players right now, and the way this is obviously favors the ones that are already very well known.


There are huge problems with GSL style qualifier tournaments as well. For example, ST.Bomber is supposed to be one of the best players in korea, but he lost to someone else who could easily beast through code A in the qualifier. If the best two players happen to be in the same part of the bracket, one of them won't get in.

Not to mention the fact that it's easy to cheese or 4 gate your way in through a qualifier tournament.

Or would you rather all 50 spots be based purely on incontrol and gretorp's personal opinions of who is good and who isn't? I think giving the community some input is much better than having it be purely invite-only, that's going to favor better-known players too but it will just play to the biases of a few people rather than let in the players who earn their fans.


Marineking was unknown outside of the ladder and then he beasted his way to the finals in season 2 of the GSL. Making the invites voting based ensures something like this will never happen.


That's not the same in the foreigner scene... if marineking was in NA/EU he would have won several craftcups, a TLopen or two, placed high in some MLGs - korea just has far fewer non-gsl tournaments that we ever hear about.

Also the players are not based on voting, this thread should probably be closed.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
JPSke
Profile Joined August 2010
United States54 Posts
February 22 2011 01:10 GMT
#128
Come on people, vote for the big time GSL competitors. If this is going to be awesome it needs the best players to take part. That means the Nestea's, MVPs, MCs, and the like of the world need to be invited, even if it means they have to deal with latency for the group stage.
Zechs
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom321 Posts
February 22 2011 01:10 GMT
#129
On February 22 2011 10:06 iNcontroL wrote:
The voting is a fun way to get involved and support your favorite players. It helps but by no means WHAT SO EVER decides who gets selected.

Please stop looking for ways to make this a bad thing.


To my mind, that implies that this is basically just an invite tournament with a bit of "LET THE PUBLIC DECIDE" marketing spiel. Don't get me wrong, i want this to be awesome, but this system seems far from perfect.
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Zeri
Profile Joined March 2010
United States773 Posts
February 22 2011 01:10 GMT
#130
On February 22 2011 09:32 Buddhist wrote:
It's 100% certain that it's not 100% bad, but still, from NASL.tv:

"50 of the world's best players will be featured weekly. Make sure to vote for your favorite player to increase their chances of being chosen for the league!"

"50 players will compete in an online group stage in which 15 players will advance to the Grand Finals, which will be a 16 man LAN event. "

"There will be an Open Tournament where the winner will be awarded a spot at the Grand Finals. "

So only one spot comes from an Open Tournament? You have to be the Grand Champion of a tournament just to QUALIFY for this tournament, unless you win a popularity contest?

:/.



I could be misguided but I don't think voting will be an issue. The players that are going to dominate the season and tournament aren't going to be starving for votes. A relatively obscure player who doesn't get voted in probably doesn't have a chance in the grand finals anyway. This could change, however.
You can think I'm wrong, but that's no reason to quit thinking.
billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
February 22 2011 01:10 GMT
#131
On February 22 2011 10:06 iNcontroL wrote:
The voting is a fun way to get involved and support your favorite players. It helps but by no means WHAT SO EVER decides who gets selected.

Please stop looking for ways to make this a bad thing.

the fact that any selecting is involved by anyone scares me but ill just have to put faith in you guys

i think a grind it out league would be far more entertaining personally
sickle
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand656 Posts
February 22 2011 01:10 GMT
#132
Why no Brat_OK?
SlapMySalami
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1060 Posts
February 22 2011 01:10 GMT
#133
Geoff I know you're reading this.. Is there anything you can say about the sponsors and about replays? I haven't heard a word of any Doritos or Hot Pockets and then the replays seem to be at least delayed.. Will the replays ever be released? The organization seems to be based around the fans and as a fan we would at least want the replays released EVENTUALLY =D
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 01:12:53
February 22 2011 01:12 GMT
#134
On February 22 2011 10:08 KiNGxXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 10:01 Xeris wrote:
Who said we're picking players entirely from this vote?

And how will you decide if e.g. a famous caster gets 100k votes from his community and ranked at first place?


Common sense is how.

Unless it happens to be Day[9], in which case fuck common sense. xD
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 01:13:37
February 22 2011 01:13 GMT
#135
On February 22 2011 09:32 Buddhist wrote:

"50 players will compete in an online group stage in which 15 players will advance to the Grand Finals, which will be a 16 man LAN event. "

I guess IdrA was already chosen? or is that a typo.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
MuteZephyr
Profile Joined August 2010
Lithuania448 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 01:13:40
February 22 2011 01:13 GMT
#136
On February 22 2011 10:06 iNcontroL wrote:
The voting is a fun way to get involved and support your favorite players. It helps but by no means WHAT SO EVER decides who gets selected.

Please stop looking for ways to make this a bad thing.


Read this and stop complaining people. They just want to get your favorite players in the tournament so that YOU can watch them.
I don't Micro, I FEMTO. That's 9 orders of magnitude more extreme.
GaussWaffle
Profile Joined May 2010
United States211 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 01:14:55
February 22 2011 01:13 GMT
#137
This is going to sound stupid... but I i think a way to open up the tournament to lesser known players would be to allow for 5 of the potential 50 spots as voted on my the public to be vacated of that function (presumably the bottom 5 in voting) and instead replaced by auto selecting the top 5 people from the NA (specifically NA) ladder that are not already in the top 45.

Doing so would give the unknowns at least some chance, as well as give non NA players an incentive to ladder on NA (and increase its viability of a competitive ladder realm as opposed to a joke).

Just a thought...though you run the risk of seeing PiQLiQ lol.

edit: if it's not decided by this voting process...then pure invitation also disallows newcomers tbh...
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
February 22 2011 01:13 GMT
#138
On February 22 2011 10:06 iNcontroL wrote:
The voting is a fun way to get involved and support your favorite players. It helps but by no means WHAT SO EVER decides who gets selected.

Please stop looking for ways to make this a bad thing.


You left out StrifeCro btw, and he's on your team.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
ImHuko
Profile Joined December 2010
United States996 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-22 01:14:18
February 22 2011 01:13 GMT
#139
Stop assuming everything is to make this bad. We just finished watching a high-school production of an announcement thats been hyped for months. Then we're told to vote for our favorite players, so we assumed it was a popularity contest.
"Third, we will listen to our audience. The community never ceases to amaze us with its ingenuity and determination. We think if we keep you close, we can’t go wrong. And last of all, we must remember why we do this: for the love of the game. "
By telling us to stop saying negative things, you are going about what NASL.TV is all about. No one is complaining about NASL.TV, everyone loves it. They just want it to be perfect.
Reedy
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom185 Posts
February 22 2011 01:14 GMT
#140
On February 22 2011 10:13 MuteZephyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2011 10:06 iNcontroL wrote:
The voting is a fun way to get involved and support your favorite players. It helps but by no means WHAT SO EVER decides who gets selected.

Please stop looking for ways to make this a bad thing.


Read this and stop complaining people. They just want to get your favorite players in the tournament so that YOU can watch them.


Don't think people would raise this issue if it was clear on the NASL website tbh. Excellent news nevertheless
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