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0neder
United States3733 Posts
On January 07 2011 14:43 Consolidate wrote: People need to be honest as to why interest in the GSL is ACTUALLY DECLINING! Do you have viewership numbers for GSL 1-4? Have they gone up or down? I think they've gone up. Just curious... | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
MOtivation by fear rarely works imo | ||
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LunarC
United States1186 Posts
On January 07 2011 14:43 Consolidate wrote: People need to be honest as to why interest in the GSL is ACTUALLY DECLINING! The natural assumption was that Starcraft 2 would ramp up in popularity as time went on, but that obviously isn't the case. I'm too tired to re-iterate why Starcraft 2 is flawed as a spectator sport, but maybe someone else will. Starcraft 2 is running on hype and novelty. It will soon meet the same hard limitations that broodwar faces as an e-sport -- only worse because it is an inferior game. Allow me to qualify. Ask any progamer which of the two Starcrafts is more difficult, more balanced, more rewarding of skill, and he will say that it is broodwar. That is the uncomfortable truth that can't be buried by any amount of hype or direct cash-infusion. If broodwar is to fail in the long run, Starcraft 2 is similar enough (slightly worse in all ways), that it can also be expected to fail. I read what you posted in the GSL Popularity thread. You are making all of your claims under the assumption that nothing will change. Thing is, there are two expansion packs already lined up, not to mention the patches that will accompany them. I think the only tweak the SC2 engine needs is for moving units to not push idle units out of the way, and the more pressing issue is the stagnating map pool. Besides the game itself (which WILL see changes), it all comes down to the players and sponsors. | ||
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IntoTheEmo
Singapore1170 Posts
And the entire post from them seems to say BW fans must wish for SC2 to succeed also else Blizzard will mysteriously pull the plug for BW or something? That's quite a weak statement, you can't get people to like SC2 that way. Kinda like saying subscribe to WoW now else they'll shut down WC3 B.Net so you can't play DOTA or something... It is up to Blizzard to fix their mistakes and get off their high horse and realize that they need to step up their game some, put some of that classic Blizzard quality back into their games and the way they treat their player base. I don't think anybody wanted SC2 to fail till Blizzard toyed around with the existing BW scene. That is their fatal mistake. If this escalates we're going to see some drama in the Korean e-Sports community this year. Either way, thanks for translating~ | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
On January 07 2011 14:15 LunarC wrote: Where do you think the game evolves most and the professional scene is developed? In large tournament settings. Like Proleague. Or the OSL. Or the MSL. The BW scene didn't pop up overnight, you know. It started ten years ago. So did the Starcraft 2 scene, which is blatantly an offshoot of the BW scene. | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
if sc2 fails, they will be even more interested in making money $$ off of bw sales | ||
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LunarC
United States1186 Posts
On January 07 2011 15:20 Severedevil wrote: So did the Starcraft 2 scene, which is blatantly an offshoot of the BW scene. True, SC2 has a head start. But where would the competitive scene be without the GSL? Nearly nonexistent, in my opinion. And last time I checked, something must exist for it to develop. | ||
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KezseN
Singapore1450 Posts
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
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Shrewmy
Australia199 Posts
The SC2 scene is not dying, the GSL is very popular, especially amongst the non-Korean crowd. I think people should stop letting nostalgia cloud their view. | ||
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Kamikiri
United States1319 Posts
As for people not showing up live in Korea, if im not mistaken has it not been SO COLD there that people just dont really want to have to travel the distance to the gsl in that kind of weather when they can just watch it from home? These are just my thoughts, I also believe over time Starcraft 2 will grow and BW will remain completely fine. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51709 Posts
The current GSL issue is more GOM fail than SC2 fail if you ask me(I can't say much right now since i'm in school) | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
I just hope in those years of development they learn to make bigger 1v1 maps. | ||
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Jeremy Reimer
Canada1248 Posts
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rift
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BearStorm
United States795 Posts
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TrainSamurai
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supernovamaniac
United States3048 Posts
On January 07 2011 15:32 Subversive wrote: I liked this article. A nice appeal to the communities to not be so negative toward each other and biased toward either game. I'd love to see sc1 and sc2 run side by side. Here's to hoping it happens. THANK YOU for actually understanding the meaning of the whole post. | ||
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Kamikiri
United States1319 Posts
On January 07 2011 16:01 BearStorm wrote: As a player I love SC2. I find that it plays at a level that I find that it is pretty competitive and fun for me. I still wish micro and macro was a lot harder (especially macro) to allow more personal style. However, as a dedicated viewer of e-sports SC2 is a disaster. When I watch the pros I find myself completely uninspired. I enjoy watching a game every now and then but it's not like BW where I know I could never reach the level of play of the pros. Whenever I watch professional micro, I can just mimic it after several games of practice. On the other hand I don't know how many hundreds of BW games I have played where I specifically tried to mimic professional shuttle/reaver play but cannot do it to this day. It's the awe and unobtainable factor that keeps me going back to Broodwar and prevents me from following SC2. I hope for HoTS, Blizzard makes subtle macro changes such as increase the amount of patches to make mineral intake harder to handle, or increase the amount each mineral and gas canister provides. Starcraft 2 isnt even a year old yet... How do you expect these people to play like the BW players who have played for 10+ years? Everyone is still learning the game. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On January 07 2011 13:39 blahman3344 wrote: I agree with some parts of this paragraph. I really don't like it when people jump on bandwagons and say "Let X game die so Y game can live!" It seems like a very irrational approach to things. If things can be done so that both survive (and I'm pretty sure there are plenty of things that can be done), then I say go for it. Thank you for the translation, SNM =) Exactly, while I don't think that BW needs SC2 or viceversa I do think that this whole thing of "Us vs Them" and "One must die for the Other to live" is extremely irrational and it may even end up hurting both of the games in the long run. I do think that both leagues can co exist but first we need to see SC2 as its own game, not as the successor of BW(e sports wise). That is the reason when I sometimes cringe when people demand for SC2 to be BW 1.0001 HD edition. | ||
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