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Essentia
1150 Posts
On January 07 2011 16:59 Refreshe wrote: If starcraft 2 fails, and lets hope it doesn't, they could always make broodwar with better graphics  . This would maybe be blizzards last resort for cash? Honestly if blizz had just made another expansion to SC1 and called it SC2 it woulda been a bigger success than the current SC2. | ||
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aru
183 Posts
On January 07 2011 14:55 Go0g3n wrote: As it happened with GOM Classic, only by the third season it started beating OSL/MSL in ratings. Do you have actual numbers to back up your claims? | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On January 07 2011 16:04 supernovamaniac wrote: THANK YOU for actually understanding the meaning of the whole post. Thank you in turn for the translation  . | ||
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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
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FLuE
United States1012 Posts
People have to realize is that the next generation gamer, the kid currently in high school or middle school that is playing SC2 and it's future expansions will continue to drive the game. Not the 20+ year old that is nostalgic about BW. Those kids never played BW and when they see it they probably think "the mechanics are weird and the graphics suck." People also way overestimate the value of eSports to Blizzard/SC2 community. I'd say out of the 10 people I know who I play SC2 with consistently, only 3 of them follow the "pro" scene in anyway. The other 7 don't even know what GSL is and could care less. What koreans choose to like or dislike is one thing, but Blizzard has already stated that although the Korean market is nice, it isn't as significant as people would think. So even if SC2 doesn't take off in the end as a esport in Korea, I don't think it is going anywhere around the world so maybe it will flourish as an esport in the US and Europe. Korea can have their BW... the rest of us can move forward instead of living in the past. Keep in mind SC was a great game before their was any Korean eSport scene, and SC2 can be fine as well without it. Just way to much talking in absolutes in this thread... in time it will work out but SC2 is going to be around for a long long time, even if it isn't a massive Korean eSport. BW can also continue to exist and do fine, but I see it like Major League Baseball, the core of it's fans are older and will continue to get older, they won't be adding in new younger fans at this point. | ||
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
But blizzard will ruin SC2 if they don't implement some decent maps. Only Shakuras is good atm. | ||
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Mr.Brightside
Australia317 Posts
I am about to invest about $1k on a computer in another country because I want to finally have a game that I can play seriously and competitively and see how far I can go (I might not even be able to play that much, or not as much as I would like, that is inevitably how the world often works). I will be returning home in about 9 months and I might not ever get to use that pc again but that is how serious I am about wanting to play this game (my girlfriend lives here but depending on visa situations who knows whether I can come back for an extended period of time). It would make me really sad for SC2 to die in terms of player base, tournaments and community. I don't want it to kill BW, BW and their ridiculously amazingly skilled players and great community are really what captured my interest in the Starcraft scene to begin with so it's only fair that it maintains a level of importance but I think SC2 also deserves a go and will hopefully gain more popularity for that new generation of gamers that want a fresh start with a new game that I think a lot of people can and will enjoy. | ||
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GoldenH
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
Personally I would like to see sc2 fail because it really serves blizzard/activision right after the way they handled this situation. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
On January 07 2011 23:36 hifriend wrote: Just have a look at tl.net. A year ago this site was about broodwar, and now... Personally I would like to see sc2 fail because it really serves blizzard/activision right after the way they handled this situation. hohoho a game must fail because the makers are being retarded....The makers present the game,The game does not represent the makers. | ||
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ZerOfy
United Kingdom405 Posts
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KameZerg
Sweden1767 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On January 07 2011 23:36 hifriend wrote: Just have a look at tl.net. A year ago this site was about broodwar, and now... Personally I would like to see sc2 fail because it really serves blizzard/activision right after the way they handled this situation. This view is incredibly stupid. Why would you want a game that millions of people enjoy to fail just because of an ancillary event? Especially one that actually takes foreigners into account (unlike BW.) To everyone in this thread, let's not forget BW's television ratings have been dropping since 2007. It's not like BW has an unlimited lifespan, with or without SC2. Plus the BW stadiums are in shopping malls and high traffic areas, not random gymnasiums. It's GOM's mistake for selecting these venues, but comparing attendance is totally irrelevant. By the same method, you could say BW has been in massive decline since SKT's Proleague victory. | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On January 07 2011 13:37 Megaliskuu wrote: Lol fomos is so pro-sc2, BW doesn't need sc2, if sc2 died BW would just go on as normal. Although I for one would like to see both leagues do well (kinda). I think you're being extremely short sighted. If SC2 fails in Korea, Blizzard will never forgive KeSPA, and sue them to the ground, ensuring that not even one game of professional SC is ever broadcasted by them. In fact, Blizzard could have already done this by filing an injunction preventing them from broadcasting any SC matches till the IP issues case is resolved in court. However they chose not to do so, perhaps to earn goodwill of the fans. Be careful what you wish for | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On January 07 2011 23:25 FLuE wrote: I can't believe people are actually saying things like "if sc2 fails..." I'm assuming people are saying that in the esports way because the game itself isn't going to fail. It is already a huge success, when was the last blizzard game that "failed" anyway? Keep in mind SC took off in popularity even more after the BW expansion...I have no doubt that when this game is complete it will be very similar. People have to realize is that the next generation gamer, the kid currently in high school or middle school that is playing SC2 and it's future expansions will continue to drive the game. Not the 20+ year old that is nostalgic about BW. Those kids never played BW and when they see it they probably think "the mechanics are weird and the graphics suck." People also way overestimate the value of eSports to Blizzard/SC2 community. I'd say out of the 10 people I know who I play SC2 with consistently, only 3 of them follow the "pro" scene in anyway. The other 7 don't even know what GSL is and could care less. This I'd agree with. SC2 won't fail by any means but the situation is looking a lot like WC3. Actually what's happening is identical to WC3. On January 07 2011 23:50 Jibba wrote: This view is incredibly stupid. Why would you want a game that millions of people enjoy to fail just because of an ancillary event? Especially one that actually takes foreigners into account (unlike BW.) To everyone in this thread, let's not forget BW's television ratings have been dropping since 2007. It's not like BW has an unlimited lifespan, with or without SC2. Well hopefully they will learn some kind of lesson. What BW has with kespa is the result of a decade of dedicated and passionate people working together to make the dream of people earning their living playing video games a reality. It's infinitely more solid than gretech/blizzard's little experiment will ever be and it's being torn down just so that blizzard can expand their market share somewhat. As a result a lot of people are going to be losing their jobs and the best era of e-sports in history will crumble away prematurely. It just sucks. | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On January 07 2011 23:36 GoldenH wrote: BW will live if SC2 dies... in Korea Basically. BW will live on in Korea because it's so firmly entrenched there, but if SC2 dies everywhere other than Korea BW dies too. | ||
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KameZerg
Sweden1767 Posts
[QUOTE]On January 07 2011 23:36 GoldenH wrote: BW will live if SC2 dies... in Korea[QUOTE] Basically. BW will live on in Korea because it's so firmly entrenched there, but if SC2 dies everywhere other than Korea BW dies too.[/QUOTE] BW will live because gamewise, challengewise and spectatorwise its superiour. Anyone that has played BW for atleast the same amount of time theyve spent on SC2 that disagrees with me? Also, i remember it being a hell more fun to play | ||
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ShadeR
Australia7535 Posts
And SC2 needs BW because that's where the talent pool and public interest it... I'm not liking this seesaw at all =S | ||
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Faze.
Canada285 Posts
On January 07 2011 19:25 Essentia wrote: Honestly if blizz had just made another expansion to SC1 and called it SC2 it woulda been a bigger success than the current SC2. Not at all, only SC1 players would play it. SC2 has a shitton more players than SC1 right now, its only less popular in terms of tournaments and fame in korea. I know you're gonna say "yeah but all these new players are shits and WoW-newbs anyways we don't need them", well guess what, the world doesn't need your retardation either. | ||
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KMARTRULES
Australia474 Posts
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