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danielsan
Romania399 Posts
On January 04 2011 21:03 Navane wrote: Ladder position != skill. They probably only trained a very narrow set of moves. i asked that 1 or 2 pages back but nobody seems to answer.. | ||
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BouBou.865
Netherlands814 Posts
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Highwinds
Canada955 Posts
I didn't have the beta but I watched tons of Day9 Dailies and HD/Husky Starcraft Videos. I got into Diamond pretty easily within 100 games. I was placed into Silver but I pretty much rolled over everyone. When I hit Platinum I went something like 20-1 for my games and got into Diamond. | ||
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Alphasquad
Austria505 Posts
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samuraibael
Australia294 Posts
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Kelekkis
Finland27 Posts
Before I watched bw pro games, and read forums. Might be also that other games from different genres can help with starcraft skill. Everything helps I guess.  | ||
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Deadlyhazard
United States1177 Posts
Reminds me of painting....I remember my first painting class someone said they didn't have natural talent and just gave up at the end of the semester. Yet the people that actually pushed did fine....you can't be lazy. I don't even know if natural talent exists...some people have more aptitude than others but that must be linked to early nurtured development. Maybe it's based on early experiences in life versus something you were naturally born with. For example, I've been playing video games religiously since I was 5 years old. I started at that age with Doom 2, Quake, Duke Nukem 3D, and WarCraft 2. Now I'm probably going into concept design because I have a crazy imagination due to my childhood of playing games all the time and reading, I just lack the fundamentals to communicate it with art...which is why I'm going to school for it soon. | ||
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danielsan
Romania399 Posts
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flodeskum
Iceland1267 Posts
I've been reading lately about people who claim to have gotten into Diamond within their first 50-80 games without previous RTS experience and I am trying to figure out of it's just me who is really horribad or if these people are lying. Sc2 was the first rts I ever played online, I got placed in gold and got into diamond fairly quick (~60 games IIRC). I really think a lot of rts skill, or gaming skill in general, is natural. Before sc2 I had played CS and poker semi-professionally to pay my way through school, so gaming seems to come natural to me. And of my friends, the ones that have played other games at a high level seem to cross over to SC2 very well without having played that many games. That said, just last week I did help a friend who had been stuck in bronze after 250 games move to diamond in just over 100 games just by pointing out a couple of stupid things he was doing. So it's not like it's super hard to move up when you start to realize what you should be doing. | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
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Endorsed
Netherlands1221 Posts
There is no such thing as talent, it has been proven over and over again. The level of expertise you have is directly tired to how much you practice AND how effectively you practice. It has been proven? I think talent is the ability to learn quicker and having a higher ceiling. Somebody with talent will only need to practice 8 hours a day to be the best in the world, but somebody with less talent will need to practice 10+ hours. | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
So it's definitely previous RTS experience maybe 80% and 20% natural talent (just being good at games, having fast reaction time, etc.) | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
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TrANCE,
301 Posts
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Krfstniper
Italy24 Posts
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snazbaz
40 Posts
I got stuck in silver/gold for a while but then found day9 and watched literally 50 day9 episodes and played some team games and customs vs very hard AI to practice mechanics then sky rocketed to plat then diamond very very quickly after that on a massive winning spree. If you think about it that's 60-70 hours invested right there without actually playing 1v1 though. If you are still silver after 600 games then there is probably something you fundamentally don't know about or misunderstand causing you not to improve. Either that or your mouse/keyboard/multitasking dexterity is very very very low (unlikely), OR you are not actively trying to improve. | ||
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CASLsoju
Canada253 Posts
On January 04 2011 17:28 Jago wrote: I was just curious to know how much of their sc2 skill people think was learned through long and hard hours of practice and how much was basically natural. I've been reading lately about people who claim to have gotten into Diamond within their first 50-80 games without previous RTS experience and I am trying to figure out of it's just me who is really horribad or if these people are lying. SC2 is also my first serious RTS and 735 league games later (about 600 1v1) I am still in Silver, so if what these people claim is true, it's kinda depressing I guess. It took me 150 games from bronze to get to 2.3K diamond. I played BW but only to a certain extent, only played fastest possible so that didn't really help. I only started looking up strats around plat, that's where I noticed that people were starting to get good and that I was loosing. I learnt a few opening, practiced them to death and went on a 23 game win streak which placed me at 2.2K diamond. FOR EXAMPLE: I 1gate fast expand vs terran if I see he gets gas and is teching etc. If not, I just 2 gate pressure outside my base and try to break them down with zealots Versus zerg, not gonna lie my strat is so garbage but it wins a majority of my games. I 3gate timing push, NEVER fails against a fast expand. Versus P, I use the adel method or I just K4G. | ||
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Dezzeh
Netherlands45 Posts
On January 04 2011 18:58 danielsan wrote: im really curious about the ones getting to diamond that fast: do you know different openings or just polished one using it exclusively Diamond in about 50-60 games, no multiplayer RTS experience and very limited single player RTS experience before I picked up SC2. What did I do? Every single game I go 14 gas/14 pool and work from there, no set build orders, just goals. Only in the last 20 games or so I have been mixing things up. By goals I mean like "I need to have a 3rd hatch in the making before the 10 min mark if I'm not under pressure", "I need to have at least 1/1 upgrades by 15 min", "I want to have my creep spread to all my bases as soon as possible", "I want to have a sizeable roach/hydra army at X time", "I need to keep using my muta's, don't let them just flap around, keep harassing" etc. Notice that most of these are macro goals. Then there's mental checklists. "I need to check the larvae count and inject larvae timers on my hatches (and thus select my queens and hatches very often to keep track)", "I need to keep looking at the upper right part of my screen, resources low? Enougy supply?", "Fly an overlord over enemy main at 7 min into the game" and so forth. Then there's the part of just knowing the game, as in knowing what all units can do, and what works best. Not necessarily counter what the enemy has, but just know what is possible at any given point in time. This is done by watching streams, replays, day9 and reading on strategy. I think I have put about the same amount of time in this as in actually playing the game (only done just over 100 games though). I guess I just need more experience now. | ||
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HwangjaeTerran
Finland5967 Posts
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R3m3mb3rM3
Germany954 Posts
i just watched alot of streams strategy guides etc.. i had high apm out of wc3 though | ||
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