EPTThere's no doubt that talent will give you a major starting boost but I reckon with enough practice anyone could get to a very high level.
sc2 skill, learned vs natural - Page 7
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x89
United Kingdom276 Posts
There's no doubt that talent will give you a major starting boost but I reckon with enough practice anyone could get to a very high level. | ||
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TFB
United Kingdom89 Posts
On January 04 2011 22:44 anderkas wrote: Personally I do wonder if there's an age where your ability to pick up a completely new gaming experience shoots down. At the age of 37 I can safely say you need wonder no more - it makes a massive difference. Your ability to learn (anything) really does tail off badly. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On January 04 2011 22:43 Huragius wrote: Could be. But when I started to play sc2, I tried to find the most cheese-proof build followed by FE. I never relied on my opponents scouting or incapability of countering. But things are changing, this is why I hate TvZ. Good, that is how I play as well. Something that carried over from BW because even then I hated cheese builds, at the level of play I was at I could cheese most people and get a win but there is no point to that since it doesn't make you better, it just runs up your stats. stats =/= skill, something that a lot of people don't understand. | ||
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CinDerUK
United Kingdom31 Posts
I still use 3 rax now but i'm not so hasty to charge up my opponents ramp as much after 8mins, sometimes i just camp in his natural and expand so when he does push out i'm too far ahead in resources to lose. I watched alot of the pros too which showed me how to micro my mm ball against banes and zealots which helped alot. | ||
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gautamvirk86
India55 Posts
I did play a month and a half of beta if that really matters and i never cheese. PS: I m zerg 2000Pts  | ||
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Schwopzi
Netherlands954 Posts
On January 04 2011 22:56 TFB wrote: At the age of 37 I can safely say you need wonder no more - it makes a massive difference. Your ability to learn (anything) really does tail off badly. Ofcourse it has an impact but it's not as bad as most people make it out to be. Mainly the reluctance to dedicate time & energy into learning new stuff is holding older people back. | ||
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Dezzeh
Netherlands45 Posts
On January 04 2011 22:19 danielsan wrote: thnks for answer, could you also tell me when did this happen? This happened in october I think? I don't play alot, like 10 games a week max most of the time. Sometimes it's more, sometimes it's less. | ||
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SugarBear
United States842 Posts
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Fumble
156 Posts
I watched pro vids while waiting for beta opt in and when i finally got into beta, i played a few custom 1v1s against strangers. After about 5-6 games, I jumped into ladder and got placed into platnium with 5-0 (back when platnium was highest division). Since then I have never placed lower than diamond and quite frankly i think diamond is too easy to get into. A lot of my friends are in diamond and EVERYBODY except 1 person that i know and would consider as more than just a casual gamer got into diamond after playing 30 or so games in 1v1. Diamond is nothing more than having at least a decent grasp of the basics. I have 2 friends that only have 50 APM and they are somehow in diamond. | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
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siri
Portugal129 Posts
I think is very easy to reach diamon at least with protoss (no 4gate), you just have to focus on not doing obvious mistakes like being supply block and having low number of probes | ||
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Kisezik
Australia70 Posts
by playing around 800 league games, u shd've already learnt alot about the game. Maybe you're not learning from ur mistakes, or you're just looking at the game at a different angle. | ||
shell
Portugal2722 Posts
But before i even bought this game i allready spent many hours watching VODS, streams, forums etc.. that's how i knew that in my first practice game i would go banshee and i won my first game and most of those. I played not even 100 games and won most of them versus guys that had played much more games, some dudes with 500 games and i tought i must be really good because this guys play for months and i just owned them :D (and i never cheese, just because i prefer longer games)! I'm still in silver and still suck tho but i win more then i lose and i don't have good mechanics and don't even know all the keys! But i do understand the concept of the game and know what i can do and what the other guy can and will do! that helps alot in winning some more games hehe I suck but i would suck much more if i didn't spend much time understanding the game! | ||
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kitakun
Poland22 Posts
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CASLsoju
Canada253 Posts
On January 04 2011 23:16 SugarBear wrote: You can get into diamond without being good. It actually takes quite a bit of practice to become good at macro. I'm actually terrible and I'm like 2.4K LOL. | ||
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mmx
41 Posts
i got diamond within my first 50 games way after game was released and i was diamond on the beta as well this goes to all things in life some people are just good | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
Mind you i never played any of these games full time, but still i think it would be a bit sad if 10+ years of rts experience wouldnt translate into me being diamond league now  | ||
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ichimarugin680
United States182 Posts
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Leviwtf
174 Posts
On January 04 2011 21:56 Endorsed wrote: Some people are just talented at things. I've never played an rts before but got into diamond within 50 games. I just went 2/3 rax atack, expand. Add more rax, atack. Just plain macro. Now 3k diamond. It has been proven? I think talent is the ability to learn quicker and having a higher ceiling. Somebody with talent will only need to practice 8 hours a day to be the best in the world, but somebody with less talent will need to practice 10+ hours. Yes it has been proven in almost every field or game possible. Search for "The role of deliberate practice in the acquisition of expert performance" for an indepth study of the topic and there are many other studies on the subject. I would argue that the person you describe as having "talent" is actually only practicing more effectively for 8 hours than the person without "talent" who is practicing for 10 hours. Also, there is no skill ceiling for anyone, there is only lack of motivation or time or good practicing methods. What people often mistake for talent is actually someone who has previous experience that benefits them that might not seem to benefit them. Example: I got to diamond in 25 games without any previous RTS experience, however I am a world class speed chess champion, or I have followed and watched starcraft for years, or I am very comfortable playing 1v1 games because I did *insert 1v1 activity here*, etc. Any kind of video game you have played against another person (halo, cs, ssbm), etc benefits you if you are playing SC2 for the first time and trying to get into diamond. Like I said, scientifically speaking there is no such thing as talent. | ||
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Tiazi
Netherlands761 Posts
Still dont think im really good but I consider myself a decent player with some understanding of how the game works. | ||
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