Holy shit. I played in that event just a few hours ago and looked over SjoW and MorroWs shoulders. If this is true... :O

Anyway. I am not sold on this story yet. I demand way more evidence before I judge them. In my eyes, they will be innocent until proven guilty.

Also, they were sitting right next to each other. They could have just fucking talked about it, lol.

On a lighter note, I asked SjoW how his name is pronounced. Its "Show"

SiCkO_

United States481 Posts

December 22 2010 06:17 GMT

#62

seems rather fake..........

Mattz12

Canada15 Posts

December 22 2010 06:19 GMT

#63

Isn't it kind of like spliting the prize in a poker tournament? like if two friends make the final two and make an agreement to split the prize pool anyways?

QQmonster

Canada240 Posts

December 22 2010 06:19 GMT

#64

seems to me like morrow was just jokingly telling sjow to let him win the tournament as an inside joke assuming they'd both make it to the finals, thus stating everyone else at the tournament isn't as good as they are.

Whatever the case, this evidence isn't good enough. Even so, I don't think speculated pre-crime is grounds to disqualify 2 of the tournaments best players.

SilverLeagueElite

United States626 Posts

December 22 2010 06:19 GMT

#65

If they wanted to divvy up the prize pool, why would they even need to fix matches? If Sjow wins, he could just give the computer to Morrow.

Second, if they were serious about going through with this, why stream it? It only takes a few mouse clicks to turn of the stream.

T-P-S

United States204 Posts

December 22 2010 06:20 GMT

#66

On December 22 2010 15:03 ShootingStars wrote:
okay whatever, call it however, but you guys failed to realize they are both in agreement.

User was warned for this post

In three pages of replies only a couple of people actually explained the problem with fixing professional sporting matches to you. If you still don't understand, it's that player behavior like this is regulated by the official body of the sport because the financial support (the fans) want to watch matches in which the outcome is determined by who is better, period. That's what gives the sport an air of excitement and justifies 'fandom' as an activity. If the players or teams or league decide who wins on a basis other than player ability, then they aren't fulfilling the demands of the fans who keep the sport in business. So it doesn't matter that the players are in agreement (and I assure you that we didn't 'fail to realize' that), because the players are there to serve the fans. The first place prize is their reward for doing so. They don't get to all group up and decide who it should go to, because it's not theirs.

Redmark

Canada2129 Posts

December 22 2010 06:20 GMT

#67

Either way, how do you enforce this exactly? If someone decides to throw a match you can't prove anything. It's not really something you can prevent.
In this case there's obviously evidence but it's not exactly proof, and usually you don't talk about it on stream (is that what happened?).

Saafen

Sweden79 Posts

December 22 2010 06:20 GMT

#68

The thing is... There will be 16 "game nights" with one tournament every night. Every time you win a tournament you will take one more step in a "price-stair". The last stair is #11. So if you win 11tournaments your price will be a computer worth 4000€ + the other stairs. So there will be really hard to get to this last step if there are many good players attending.

To make it clear, you have to win 11 of 16 cups for The Big Prize.
There for morrow and sjow decided to give the win to one of them, and then split the big prize.

FearGorm

United States112 Posts

December 22 2010 06:21 GMT

#69

On December 22 2010 14:57 ShootingStars wrote:
your point? if you arent the better player it doesnt matter really =/
if you want to stop them from match fixing, go to the tournament and beat them so they cant fix the final
matchfixing is FINE. it doesnt affect you... they ARE top players.

Nice try, Morrow.

Marl

United States694 Posts

December 22 2010 06:23 GMT

#70

If you let people matchfix, the fans get screwed over. If the fans get screwed over, they will stop watching. If they stop watching, SC2 doesn't make it as an esport.

Don't say it's just an agreement between the players, it's not.

Baarn

United States2702 Posts

December 22 2010 06:23 GMT

#71

On December 22 2010 15:20 Redmark wrote:
Either way, how do you enforce this exactly? If someone decides to throw a match you can't prove anything. It's not really something you can prevent.
In this case there's obviously evidence but it's not exactly proof, and usually you don't talk about it on stream (is that what happened?).

It raises the question why you would participate in a tournament and even joke about throwing a match in a tell on a stream in the first place? If the allegations are true than I say throw them out of professional starcraft all together.

Sprouter

United States1724 Posts

December 22 2010 06:23 GMT

#72

wow these are serious accusations. i'm not convinced

xelorion

11 Posts

December 22 2010 06:24 GMT

#73

I actually saw this live on his stream. Morrow asked Sjow if he could have the computer and then he would give Sjow all the other stuff that he won so he could sell it so sjow could get money. But sjow didnt like this he wanted to sell the computer and split the cash.

This was no joke it was real.

bokchoi

Korea (South)9498 Posts

December 22 2010 06:25 GMT

#74

I don't get it. I'm assuming this is so MorroW could get the computer? If thats the case why didnt MorroW and SjoW just come to an agreement that MorroW could get the computer regardless of the results of the final. Seems kind of stupid to me if SjoW agreed to lose to MorroW so that MorroW could get a computer when SjoW could just play and give it to MorroW if he wins. What does SjoW have to gain in this?

vOdToasT

Sweden2870 Posts

December 22 2010 06:25 GMT

#75

On December 22 2010 15:24 xelorion wrote:
I actually saw this live on his stream. Morrow asked Sjow if he could have the computer and then he would give Sjow all the other stuff that he won so he could sell it so sjow could get money. But sjow didnt like this he wanted to sell the computer and split the cash.

This was no joke it was real.

But why would they type it, while streaming, when they were sitting next to each other?

MrMotionPicture

United States4327 Posts

December 22 2010 06:26 GMT

#76

I'm hoping it is not real. I like Morrow. :/

nbaker

United States1341 Posts

December 22 2010 06:26 GMT

#77

I'm not sure why you're all coming down so hard on ShootingStar, he kind of does have a point. In Broodwar the match-fixing scandal was, for me, not scandalous because a player lost on purpose, but because they were cheating their sponsor and the tournament by doing it to get financial gain. ShootingStar mentioned Street Fighter tournaments and while I'm not familiar with the scene, I assume most of them are underground where the players buy in to the tournament and play for their own prize pool. In that case, I think it's perfectly legitimate to throw a game if you want to because you are participating for something that you invested in. However, in the case of Starcraft tournaments, where most of our prizes come from sponsorship, it is kind of cruddy to throw a game and cheat the fans who the sponsors are trying to provide content for.

If these rumors are true, I agree with you all that it would be wrong for Morrow and Sjow to do this, but I can see why ShootingStar would disagree, especially if he comes from a competitive gaming background where prizes were driven by the players rather than by sponsorship and audience.

Enervate

United States1769 Posts

December 22 2010 06:27 GMT

#78

Maphacking is cheating the game. Matchfixing is cheating the SYSTEM. It is still cheating.

If someone finds out the answers to a test ahead of time, it's cheating. If two people make an arrangement to cheat off each other on a test, it is still cheating. People who don't think matchfixing is cheating are confusing cheating with hacking.

Hikko

United States1126 Posts

December 22 2010 06:27 GMT

#79

How can the image be proof in any way? It would be INCREDIBLY easy to photoshop it just to ruin their credibility. I think Morrow would be more intelligent than doing this while on stream.

Is match fixing bad? Yes, it is the bane of any competition. This can't be proven, though, except from this "screen capture of his stream" (which is a very sketchy and unreliable source due to the ease of doctoring images), unless there is a real confession from Sjow or Morrow.

Perhaps I misunderstand the situation, but I would question the authenticity of that screenshot of the stream before I questioned if these two players were really match fixing.