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On December 22 2010 15:42 SjoW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 15:39 aka_star wrote:On December 22 2010 15:36 SjoW wrote:On December 22 2010 15:33 Baarn wrote:On December 22 2010 15:30 SjoW wrote:
Lets make this clear. We both wanted to participate on this league and if both would participate on this tournament it would decrease our chances of winning the grandprize (a computer).
The league consists of 18 tournaments and is played once a day. For every first place you get a prize and climb one step closer to the grandprize. You ultimatly need to win 11 tournament to get the grandprize and when there is only 18 tournaments, only one can get the grandprize.
So we both agreed it would be better if we split the prizes and just let one of us win everyone. (we assumed we would go to the finals everytime since we would be in diffrent part of brackets because of seeds, we didnt see any harm in it.
We talked with the organisation and they didnt allow us to do fixed matches. Now only one of us gonna play.
Ahh you agreed to "game" the tournament but got busted? Serves you right. Shame both of you aren't banned from that tournament and others. This isnt any big league or anything. Nothing is streamed or no publicity just a fun tournament for gamers in a local gaming center. its not like we are playing infront of lots of people or anything. so its ok to cheat a local event but not a big one?... you know what they say, once a cheater.... How can you say its cheating? both are in finals and both agrees on splitting the money without playing the actual match. I dont get it...
If they talked to the admins and were told they weren't aloud then decided only one would play I don't see what's wrong with that and it just seems every one's blowing this out of proportion? Calm down you guys :o
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On December 22 2010 15:42 SjoW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 15:39 aka_star wrote:On December 22 2010 15:36 SjoW wrote:On December 22 2010 15:33 Baarn wrote:On December 22 2010 15:30 SjoW wrote:
Lets make this clear. We both wanted to participate on this league and if both would participate on this tournament it would decrease our chances of winning the grandprize (a computer).
The league consists of 18 tournaments and is played once a day. For every first place you get a prize and climb one step closer to the grandprize. You ultimatly need to win 11 tournament to get the grandprize and when there is only 18 tournaments, only one can get the grandprize.
So we both agreed it would be better if we split the prizes and just let one of us win everyone. (we assumed we would go to the finals everytime since we would be in diffrent part of brackets because of seeds, we didnt see any harm in it.
We talked with the organisation and they didnt allow us to do fixed matches. Now only one of us gonna play.
Ahh you agreed to "game" the tournament but got busted? Serves you right. Shame both of you aren't banned from that tournament and others. This isnt any big league or anything. Nothing is streamed or no publicity just a fun tournament for gamers in a local gaming center. its not like we are playing infront of lots of people or anything. so its ok to cheat a local event but not a big one?... you know what they say, once a cheater.... How can you say its cheating? both are in finals and both agrees on splitting the money without playing the actual match. I dont get it...
Its best not to try and argue with people here dood, not worth it. O_O;;
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I was going to translate the article, but after reading SjoW's post it's all clear, so I see no need to.
Unnecessary drama FTL!
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On December 22 2010 15:02 ShootingStars wrote:
please tell me how match fixing is cheating, like map hacking thanks
TWO players in an agreement. unlike maphacking
the key word is AGREEMENT. if both players agree, then its fine.
its just like map choosing. both players agree to play on LOST TEMPLE,
because it's not a competition anymore, you dumbass. how old are you seriously?
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The motivation behind the match-fixing here is different than the behind-the-scenes betting scandals that happened in Korea, but I feel that the end principal and product, match-fixing itself, should not be taken lightly or condoned. I hope that any players who feel that it's acceptable will at least adjust their feelings once they have sponsors, fans, and organizations relying on their ingenuous efforts.
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I think this was the wrong way of going about this. If sjow wanted to have morrow win so he could have the computer it would have been better to just play it that then give the computer to him if he won. Therefore there would be no bullshit repercussions like this. Now they both look like idiots to there sponsors ;(.
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"we didnt see any harm in it"..."to do fixed matches"
Not to quote something out of context or hold someone to a misstatement, but wow.
It's just so unprofessional by all... just really disappointing. Better to just win the computer yourself and ask for it to be shipped to the person you want to give it to and still play real games. I would have spraypainted "pwned" all over it before shipping it though.
Maybe we are all just overreacting though. Once you think of them as just really good players as opposed to pros that do this for a living, it's just a youthful indiscretion.....Surely in the exact same situation with higher stakes they wouldn't consider the same thing..........right? right????
shootingstar really giving himself a bad name. just stop posting so people forget what you've said here.
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On December 22 2010 15:42 SjoW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 15:39 aka_star wrote:On December 22 2010 15:36 SjoW wrote:On December 22 2010 15:33 Baarn wrote:On December 22 2010 15:30 SjoW wrote:
Lets make this clear. We both wanted to participate on this league and if both would participate on this tournament it would decrease our chances of winning the grandprize (a computer).
The league consists of 18 tournaments and is played once a day. For every first place you get a prize and climb one step closer to the grandprize. You ultimatly need to win 11 tournament to get the grandprize and when there is only 18 tournaments, only one can get the grandprize.
So we both agreed it would be better if we split the prizes and just let one of us win everyone. (we assumed we would go to the finals everytime since we would be in diffrent part of brackets because of seeds, we didnt see any harm in it.
We talked with the organisation and they didnt allow us to do fixed matches. Now only one of us gonna play.
Ahh you agreed to "game" the tournament but got busted? Serves you right. Shame both of you aren't banned from that tournament and others. This isnt any big league or anything. Nothing is streamed or no publicity just a fun tournament for gamers in a local gaming center. its not like we are playing infront of lots of people or anything. so its ok to cheat a local event but not a big one?... you know what they say, once a cheater.... How can you say its cheating? both are in finals and both agrees on splitting the money without playing the actual match. I dont get it...
Sjow, it is only cheating if prize splitting is not allowed in the tourny so might as well as just msg the admin of the tourny and check and stop the this bs thread.
I really don't see anything wrong. People they could have literraly played their hardest and when borrow has nothing but a extractor left, Sjow GGs and leaves. Morrow is still the winner it doesn't matter if they play or not.
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On December 22 2010 15:41 Baarn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 15:36 SjoW wrote:On December 22 2010 15:33 Baarn wrote:On December 22 2010 15:30 SjoW wrote:
Lets make this clear. We both wanted to participate on this league and if both would participate on this tournament it would decrease our chances of winning the grandprize (a computer).
The league consists of 18 tournaments and is played once a day. For every first place you get a prize and climb one step closer to the grandprize. You ultimatly need to win 11 tournament to get the grandprize and when there is only 18 tournaments, only one can get the grandprize.
So we both agreed it would be better if we split the prizes and just let one of us win everyone. (we assumed we would go to the finals everytime since we would be in diffrent part of brackets because of seeds, we didnt see any harm in it.
We talked with the organisation and they didnt allow us to do fixed matches. Now only one of us gonna play.
Ahh you agreed to "game" the tournament but got busted? Serves you right. Shame both of you aren't banned from that tournament and others. This isnt any big league or anything. Nothing is streamed or no publicity just a fun tournament for gamers in a local gaming center. its not like we are playing infront of lots of people or anything. So that makes it ok to predetermine winners because it's not a big name tournament? Who's to say this wouldn't occur in a larger one when you two get more confidence? It's still wrong deciding who's gonna win beforehand regardless of what tournament it is. If you want a computer that bad I hear EG has a tournament and you have to beat Idra. I guess doing this type of shit is easier than beating him eh?
I agree its wrong on a big tournament because it lets down the audiance. By not showing a good game or not a game at all. But in this case theres no audiance at all.
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On December 22 2010 15:36 SjoW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 15:33 Baarn wrote:On December 22 2010 15:30 SjoW wrote:
Lets make this clear. We both wanted to participate on this league and if both would participate on this tournament it would decrease our chances of winning the grandprize (a computer).
The league consists of 18 tournaments and is played once a day. For every first place you get a prize and climb one step closer to the grandprize. You ultimatly need to win 11 tournament to get the grandprize and when there is only 18 tournaments, only one can get the grandprize.
So we both agreed it would be better if we split the prizes and just let one of us win everyone. (we assumed we would go to the finals everytime since we would be in diffrent part of brackets because of seeds, we didnt see any harm in it.
We talked with the organisation and they didnt allow us to do fixed matches. Now only one of us gonna play.
Ahh you agreed to "game" the tournament but got busted? Serves you right. Shame both of you aren't banned from that tournament and others. This isnt any big league or anything. Nothing is streamed or no publicity just a fun tournament for gamers in a local gaming center. its not like we are playing infront of lots of people or anything.
So basically, you took a fun, community endeavour to have a cool local tournament, and abused it so that you and MorroW could literally win every single prize by making sure one of you finished first.
That's pretty shameful imo.
Just seems like you're greedy bastard trying to snatch whatever you can and exploit a tournament when the community is trying to host small tournaments to help grow e-sports, not let you win as many prizes as you can get your hands on.
You may not be letting down an audience, but I feel like it really lets down the community.
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This thing happens all the time on online tournaments, In the wolf cup it was a tt1 final 200 for first 50 for second, they decided to change the prize pool to 150 100. This is the same thing, there is nothing wrong because they are still working for the prize
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So basically MorroW and Sjow didn't want to play in the finals but would rather split the prize money?
If that's the case that's fine, but throwing away games on purpose to one side would be considered game fixing.
But there's something wrong with a Inferno Online's system that almost seems to encourage this sort of thing. I mean if you dominate the majority of the event but don't win all 11 you don't get the biggest prize? Seems like they almost want players to use their brain and cheat.
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On December 22 2010 15:48 RoarMan wrote:
So basically MorroW and Sjow didn't want to play in the finals but would rather split the prize money?
If that's the case that's fine, but throwing away games on purpose to one side would be considered game fixing.
But there's something wrong with a Inferno Online's system that almost seems to encourage this sort of thing. I mean if you dominate the majority of the event but don't win all 11 you don't get the biggest prize? Seems like they almost want players to use their brain and cheat.
They want people to nightgib a lot so that they can make money, lol.
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match fixing is not cheating guys. the 2 people are in agreement.
lets just match fix every single game in GSL, force all the players to agree and split the money among all the participants. yes? this is how e-sports should really be. my liquibets will never be wrong ever again.
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On December 22 2010 15:47 Subversion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 15:36 SjoW wrote:On December 22 2010 15:33 Baarn wrote:On December 22 2010 15:30 SjoW wrote:
Lets make this clear. We both wanted to participate on this league and if both would participate on this tournament it would decrease our chances of winning the grandprize (a computer).
The league consists of 18 tournaments and is played once a day. For every first place you get a prize and climb one step closer to the grandprize. You ultimatly need to win 11 tournament to get the grandprize and when there is only 18 tournaments, only one can get the grandprize.
So we both agreed it would be better if we split the prizes and just let one of us win everyone. (we assumed we would go to the finals everytime since we would be in diffrent part of brackets because of seeds, we didnt see any harm in it.
We talked with the organisation and they didnt allow us to do fixed matches. Now only one of us gonna play.
Ahh you agreed to "game" the tournament but got busted? Serves you right. Shame both of you aren't banned from that tournament and others. This isnt any big league or anything. Nothing is streamed or no publicity just a fun tournament for gamers in a local gaming center. its not like we are playing infront of lots of people or anything. So basically, you took a fun, community endeavour to have a cool local tournament, and abused it so that you and MorroW could literally win every single prize by making sure one of you finished first. That's pretty shameful imo. Just seems like you're greedy bastard trying to snatch whatever you can and exploit a tournament when the community is trying to host small tournaments to help grow e-sports, not let you win as many prizes as you can get your hands on. You may not be letting down an audience, but I feel like it really lets down the community.
Theres only one prize on each tournament and read what I typed... We expected to be in finals every single one we participated in...
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They should of just structured it so that instead of having to win 11/18 small tournaments to get the grand prize there would be a final tournament with all the people who had won the small tournaments participating. Seeding and any walkovers could be determined by total number of small tournaments won. This current system they have just seems terrible.
Edit: Seriously this is like if you only got money in the GSL finals if yo 4:0ed your opponent. It's just dumb.
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This sort of garbage is what taints e-sports.
Your robbing the fans of true and fair matches with proper results.
Shame on you two SjoW & MorroW. Hope you both get refused entry in future tournaments.
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On December 22 2010 15:50 SjoW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 15:47 Subversion wrote:On December 22 2010 15:36 SjoW wrote:On December 22 2010 15:33 Baarn wrote:On December 22 2010 15:30 SjoW wrote:
Lets make this clear. We both wanted to participate on this league and if both would participate on this tournament it would decrease our chances of winning the grandprize (a computer).
The league consists of 18 tournaments and is played once a day. For every first place you get a prize and climb one step closer to the grandprize. You ultimatly need to win 11 tournament to get the grandprize and when there is only 18 tournaments, only one can get the grandprize.
So we both agreed it would be better if we split the prizes and just let one of us win everyone. (we assumed we would go to the finals everytime since we would be in diffrent part of brackets because of seeds, we didnt see any harm in it.
We talked with the organisation and they didnt allow us to do fixed matches. Now only one of us gonna play.
Ahh you agreed to "game" the tournament but got busted? Serves you right. Shame both of you aren't banned from that tournament and others. This isnt any big league or anything. Nothing is streamed or no publicity just a fun tournament for gamers in a local gaming center. its not like we are playing infront of lots of people or anything. So basically, you took a fun, community endeavour to have a cool local tournament, and abused it so that you and MorroW could literally win every single prize by making sure one of you finished first. That's pretty shameful imo. Just seems like you're greedy bastard trying to snatch whatever you can and exploit a tournament when the community is trying to host small tournaments to help grow e-sports, not let you win as many prizes as you can get your hands on. You may not be letting down an audience, but I feel like it really lets down the community. Theres only one prize on each tournament and read what I typed... We expected to be in finals every single one we participated in...
Just because it's a small event doesn't mean it justifies match fixing. It is what it is ultimately.
I honestly don't blame you two for thinking of an idea like this, I guess you did present it to the admin.
It really seems Inferno Online just doesn't want to part with their computer prize -_-;;
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On December 22 2010 15:46 SjoW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 15:41 Baarn wrote:On December 22 2010 15:36 SjoW wrote:On December 22 2010 15:33 Baarn wrote:On December 22 2010 15:30 SjoW wrote:
Lets make this clear. We both wanted to participate on this league and if both would participate on this tournament it would decrease our chances of winning the grandprize (a computer).
The league consists of 18 tournaments and is played once a day. For every first place you get a prize and climb one step closer to the grandprize. You ultimatly need to win 11 tournament to get the grandprize and when there is only 18 tournaments, only one can get the grandprize.
So we both agreed it would be better if we split the prizes and just let one of us win everyone. (we assumed we would go to the finals everytime since we would be in diffrent part of brackets because of seeds, we didnt see any harm in it.
We talked with the organisation and they didnt allow us to do fixed matches. Now only one of us gonna play.
Ahh you agreed to "game" the tournament but got busted? Serves you right. Shame both of you aren't banned from that tournament and others. This isnt any big league or anything. Nothing is streamed or no publicity just a fun tournament for gamers in a local gaming center. its not like we are playing infront of lots of people or anything. So that makes it ok to predetermine winners because it's not a big name tournament? Who's to say this wouldn't occur in a larger one when you two get more confidence? It's still wrong deciding who's gonna win beforehand regardless of what tournament it is. If you want a computer that bad I hear EG has a tournament and you have to beat Idra. I guess doing this type of shit is easier than beating him eh? I agree its wrong on a big tournament because it lets down the audiance. By not showing a good game or not a game at all. But in this case theres no audiance at all.
It's not an issue of cheating so much as it is an issue of betraying the spirit of competition and sportsmanship. What you do afterward with the prize money is, of course, your business, but would it have killed you guys to just play out the games normally and see who wins regardless? It's not as if it's some sort of massive investment of time or effort.
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No one here has a problem with the winner giving the prize to who he wants to if he can win it fairly.
I think that needs to be focus here.
reason for edit: i like italics
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