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Lets make this clear. We both wanted to participate on this league and if both would participate on this tournament it would decrease our chances of winning the grandprize (a computer).
The league consists of 18 tournaments and is played once a day. For every first place you get a prize and climb one step closer to the grandprize. You ultimatly need to win 11 tournament to get the grandprize and when there is only 18 tournaments, only one can get the grandprize.
So we both agreed it would be better if we split the prizes and just let one of us win everyone. (we assumed we would go to the finals everytime since we would be in diffrent part of brackets because of seeds, we didnt see any harm in it.
We talked with the organisation and they didnt allow us to do fixed matches. Now only one of us gonna play.
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well MorroW was caught saying something on BigT's stream some while ago, where ESL banned him for 2 weeks for any of their tournaments.
So i wouldn't be suprised if its true here.
Still i hope it isnt, because i dont want another SC1 Drama x.X
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nvm, post above mine clarifies.
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On December 22 2010 15:29 xelorion wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 15:25 vOdToasT wrote:On December 22 2010 15:24 xelorion wrote:
I actually saw this live on his stream. Morrow asked Sjow if he could have the computer and then he would give Sjow all the other stuff that he won so he could sell it so sjow could get money. But sjow didnt like this he wanted to sell the computer and split the cash.
This was no joke it was real. But why would they type it, while streaming, when they were sitting next to each other? What are you talking about? They werent sitting next to each other. They were home at each others house streaming.
If this is the inferno online thing with 18 nightgibs thingy, then no... the tournament was played at inferno online, the gaming café. Maybe they were talking about it BEFORE going to the tourney though, while streaming. However, I can confirm that only SjoW played in the tournament. MorroW did not. So what SjoW is saying here definitely seems true.
They werent allowed to fix matches, so only one of them played - they havent cheated. Considering the way this event works, OF COURSE they dont want to beat each other. That means neither of them could win the big prize. Its not the same as match fixing when the winner of the finals just takes it all. This is a LADDER event.
Besides, when the admins said they werent allowed to both play, only one of them played... whats the big deal?
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On December 22 2010 15:30 SjoW wrote:
Lets make this clear. We both wanted to participate on this league and if both would participate on this tournament it would decrease our chances of winning the grandprize (a computer).
The league consists of 18 tournaments and is played once a day. For every first place you get a prize and climb one step closer to the grandprize. You ultimatly need to win 11 tournament to get the grandprize and when there is only 18 tournaments, only one can get the grandprize.
So we both agreed it would be better if we split the prizes and just let one of us win everyone. (we assumed we would go to the finals everytime since we would be in diffrent part of brackets because of seeds, we didnt see any harm in it.
We talked with the organisation and they didnt allow us to do fixed matches. Now only one of us gonna play.
Ahh you agreed to "game" the tournament but got busted? Serves you right. Shame both of you aren't banned from that tournament and others.
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Wait so basically, they can't scoop to another in a tourny? I mean I dont find anything wrong. They could have discussed it and Sjow could have simply forfeited. And this happens a lot think of WCG when Stork loses on purpose so he can get his countrymen into top 4.
Remember unlike proleagues matchfixing where people are under contract to win and they actually broke the law due to underground gambling. These tournies are just a way for Morrow and Sjow to make money. Unless they have a obligation for their employer to win(stated within their contract or within thetourny contract) they can easily jsut forfeit.
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Allowing any player any form of match-fixing is in itself wrong. If Sjow wants to win the tourney and give his prize to morrow, that is fine. But fixing the match is terrible.
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On December 22 2010 15:33 Baarn wrote:
Ahh you agreed to "game" the tournament but got busted? Serves you right. Shame both of you aren't banned from that tournament and others.
If you ask the organizers "can we do this?" and they say "no", it's not exactly "gaming" the tournament, is it? I don't understand why you feel they should be banned.
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On December 22 2010 15:33 Baarn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 15:30 SjoW wrote:
Lets make this clear. We both wanted to participate on this league and if both would participate on this tournament it would decrease our chances of winning the grandprize (a computer).
The league consists of 18 tournaments and is played once a day. For every first place you get a prize and climb one step closer to the grandprize. You ultimatly need to win 11 tournament to get the grandprize and when there is only 18 tournaments, only one can get the grandprize.
So we both agreed it would be better if we split the prizes and just let one of us win everyone. (we assumed we would go to the finals everytime since we would be in diffrent part of brackets because of seeds, we didnt see any harm in it.
We talked with the organisation and they didnt allow us to do fixed matches. Now only one of us gonna play.
Ahh you agreed to "game" the tournament but got busted? Serves you right. Shame both of you aren't banned from that tournament and others.
This isnt any big league or anything. Nothing is streamed or no publicity just a fun tournament for gamers in a local gaming center. its not like we are playing infront of lots of people or anything.
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On December 22 2010 15:36 Chimpalimp wrote:
Allowing any player any form of match-fixing is in itself wrong. If Sjow wants to win the tourney and give his prize to morrow, that is fine. But fixing the match is terrible.
Read my post, dude.
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On December 22 2010 15:36 SjoW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 15:33 Baarn wrote:On December 22 2010 15:30 SjoW wrote:
Lets make this clear. We both wanted to participate on this league and if both would participate on this tournament it would decrease our chances of winning the grandprize (a computer).
The league consists of 18 tournaments and is played once a day. For every first place you get a prize and climb one step closer to the grandprize. You ultimatly need to win 11 tournament to get the grandprize and when there is only 18 tournaments, only one can get the grandprize.
So we both agreed it would be better if we split the prizes and just let one of us win everyone. (we assumed we would go to the finals everytime since we would be in diffrent part of brackets because of seeds, we didnt see any harm in it.
We talked with the organisation and they didnt allow us to do fixed matches. Now only one of us gonna play.
Ahh you agreed to "game" the tournament but got busted? Serves you right. Shame both of you aren't banned from that tournament and others. This isnt any big league or anything. Nothing is streamed or no publicity just a fun tournament for gamers in a local gaming center. its not like we are playing infront of lots of people or anything.
so its ok to cheat a local event but not a big one?... you know what they say, once a cheater....
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a tournament with that kind of prize having no publicity at all ?
sounds pretty ridiculous, almost as ridiculous as u not seeing how this would harm the organizer 
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On December 22 2010 15:39 aka_star wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 15:36 SjoW wrote:On December 22 2010 15:33 Baarn wrote:On December 22 2010 15:30 SjoW wrote:
Lets make this clear. We both wanted to participate on this league and if both would participate on this tournament it would decrease our chances of winning the grandprize (a computer).
The league consists of 18 tournaments and is played once a day. For every first place you get a prize and climb one step closer to the grandprize. You ultimatly need to win 11 tournament to get the grandprize and when there is only 18 tournaments, only one can get the grandprize.
So we both agreed it would be better if we split the prizes and just let one of us win everyone. (we assumed we would go to the finals everytime since we would be in diffrent part of brackets because of seeds, we didnt see any harm in it.
We talked with the organisation and they didnt allow us to do fixed matches. Now only one of us gonna play.
Ahh you agreed to "game" the tournament but got busted? Serves you right. Shame both of you aren't banned from that tournament and others. This isnt any big league or anything. Nothing is streamed or no publicity just a fun tournament for gamers in a local gaming center. its not like we are playing infront of lots of people or anything. so its ok to cheat a local event but not a big one?... you know what they say, once a cheater....
The only reason they didnt want to beat each other, is that if they did, neither of them could win a big prize, but they both wanted to participate in the event and enjoy it. An admin told them they wouldnt be allowed to do that, SO THEY DIDNT DO IT.
Of course they wanted to do it,... they both wanted to play, obviously. But in the end, only one of them played.
What is there to be pissed about?
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On December 22 2010 15:24 xelorion wrote:
I actually saw this live on his stream. Morrow asked Sjow if he could have the computer and then he would give Sjow all the other stuff that he won so he could sell it so sjow could get money. But sjow didnt like this he wanted to sell the computer and split the cash.
This was no joke it was real.
I'm confused, couldn't they spilt/sell the earnings regardless of who won? Like they just play legitimitley but have a pre-agreement that they split the winnings? If that's the case, I don't think it matters, the winner can do whatever he wants to do with his earnings. But if they cheat the tournaments and the viewers by saying "Morrow is going to win," and then split the earnings, how is that different from "We play our hardest, and regardless of who wins, we split the winnings." (I mean the difference is, the first option we cheat, and the second we play fair. But both outcomes, they both split the winnings? Why would they have to cheat?)
err I just read Sjow's response, and that makes sense, I just assumed that if they played each other they would have the best chance to win the grand finals if they both played the hardest they could and the best player would play in the finals.
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On December 22 2010 15:36 SjoW wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 15:33 Baarn wrote:On December 22 2010 15:30 SjoW wrote:
Lets make this clear. We both wanted to participate on this league and if both would participate on this tournament it would decrease our chances of winning the grandprize (a computer).
The league consists of 18 tournaments and is played once a day. For every first place you get a prize and climb one step closer to the grandprize. You ultimatly need to win 11 tournament to get the grandprize and when there is only 18 tournaments, only one can get the grandprize.
So we both agreed it would be better if we split the prizes and just let one of us win everyone. (we assumed we would go to the finals everytime since we would be in diffrent part of brackets because of seeds, we didnt see any harm in it.
We talked with the organisation and they didnt allow us to do fixed matches. Now only one of us gonna play.
Ahh you agreed to "game" the tournament but got busted? Serves you right. Shame both of you aren't banned from that tournament and others. This isnt any big league or anything. Nothing is streamed or no publicity just a fun tournament for gamers in a local gaming center. its not like we are playing infront of lots of people or anything.
So that makes it ok to predetermine winners because it's not a big name tournament? Who's to say this wouldn't occur in a larger one when you two get more confidence? It's still wrong deciding who's gonna win beforehand regardless of what tournament it is. If you want a computer that bad I hear EG has a tournament and you have to beat Idra. I guess doing this type of shit is easier than beating him eh?
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Well from where I'm standing there is a very big difference in playing a fixed match and a player just not participating in a tournament so that a different player could win. This whole thing is acctually the tournaments fault since the structuring of the prize pool discourages competition from what I'm reading. I mean what if 18 different players won each tournament, suddenly no one gets the prize.
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On December 22 2010 15:30 SjoW wrote:
Lets make this clear. We both wanted to participate on this league and if both would participate on this tournament it would decrease our chances of winning the grandprize (a computer).
The league consists of 18 tournaments and is played once a day. For every first place you get a prize and climb one step closer to the grandprize. You ultimatly need to win 11 tournament to get the grandprize and when there is only 18 tournaments, only one can get the grandprize.
So we both agreed it would be better if we split the prizes and just let one of us win everyone. (we assumed we would go to the finals everytime since we would be in diffrent part of brackets because of seeds, we didnt see any harm in it.
We talked with the organisation and they didnt allow us to do fixed matches. Now only one of us gonna play.
Did you ask the organization before your conversation took place?
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On December 22 2010 15:39 aka_star wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 15:36 SjoW wrote:On December 22 2010 15:33 Baarn wrote:On December 22 2010 15:30 SjoW wrote:
Lets make this clear. We both wanted to participate on this league and if both would participate on this tournament it would decrease our chances of winning the grandprize (a computer).
The league consists of 18 tournaments and is played once a day. For every first place you get a prize and climb one step closer to the grandprize. You ultimatly need to win 11 tournament to get the grandprize and when there is only 18 tournaments, only one can get the grandprize.
So we both agreed it would be better if we split the prizes and just let one of us win everyone. (we assumed we would go to the finals everytime since we would be in diffrent part of brackets because of seeds, we didnt see any harm in it.
We talked with the organisation and they didnt allow us to do fixed matches. Now only one of us gonna play.
Ahh you agreed to "game" the tournament but got busted? Serves you right. Shame both of you aren't banned from that tournament and others. This isnt any big league or anything. Nothing is streamed or no publicity just a fun tournament for gamers in a local gaming center. its not like we are playing infront of lots of people or anything. so its ok to cheat a local event but not a big one?... you know what they say, once a cheater....
How can you say its cheating? both are in finals and both agrees on splitting the money without playing the actual match. I dont get it...
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On December 22 2010 15:41 Antiochus wrote:
Well from where I'm standing there is a very big difference in playing a fixed match and a player just not participating in a tournament so that a different player could win. This whole thing is acctually the tournaments fault since the structuring of the prize pool discourages competition from what I'm reading. I mean what if 18 different players won each tournament, suddenly no one gets the prize.
You get a small prize for winning one tournament. The more you win, the more and bigger prizes you get.
Its actually not a tournament. This gaming cafe lets people nightgib, and to make the nightgibs more fun / add incentive for people to nightgib, they have Counterstrike and SC2 tournaments during the gibs. The more you win, the more and bigger prizes you win, giving people incentive to gib more, thus giving the cafe more money. Its just an event during the winter holiday to make gibbing more fun - its not a tournament like Dreamhack.
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On December 22 2010 15:40 vOdToasT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 15:39 aka_star wrote:On December 22 2010 15:36 SjoW wrote:On December 22 2010 15:33 Baarn wrote:On December 22 2010 15:30 SjoW wrote:
Lets make this clear. We both wanted to participate on this league and if both would participate on this tournament it would decrease our chances of winning the grandprize (a computer).
The league consists of 18 tournaments and is played once a day. For every first place you get a prize and climb one step closer to the grandprize. You ultimatly need to win 11 tournament to get the grandprize and when there is only 18 tournaments, only one can get the grandprize.
So we both agreed it would be better if we split the prizes and just let one of us win everyone. (we assumed we would go to the finals everytime since we would be in diffrent part of brackets because of seeds, we didnt see any harm in it.
We talked with the organisation and they didnt allow us to do fixed matches. Now only one of us gonna play.
Ahh you agreed to "game" the tournament but got busted? Serves you right. Shame both of you aren't banned from that tournament and others. This isnt any big league or anything. Nothing is streamed or no publicity just a fun tournament for gamers in a local gaming center. its not like we are playing infront of lots of people or anything. so its ok to cheat a local event but not a big one?... you know what they say, once a cheater.... The only reason they didnt want to beat each other, is that if they did, neither of them could win a big prize, but they both wanted to participate in the event and enjoy it. An admin told them they wouldnt be allowed to do that, SO THEY DIDNT DO IT. Of course they wanted to do it,... they both wanted to play, obviously. But in the end, only one of them played. What is there to be pissed about?
I wish more people would read this post. It explains what happened pretty well. Nothing contraband happened, guys.
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This is a bit ridiculous that Sjow's post is hidden all the way back here. Hope the OP or a mod moves it up.
Sounds emminently reasonable what they chose to do and it's ridiculous that Sjow and morrow get slandered over nothing.
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