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On December 22 2010 15:04 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 15:01 ShootingStars wrote:On December 22 2010 15:00 Holgerius wrote:On December 22 2010 14:57 ShootingStars wrote:
your point? if you arent the better player it doesnt matter really =/
if you want to stop them from match fixing, go to the tournament and beat them so they cant fix the final
matchfixing is FINE. it doesnt affect you... they ARE top players. You have no sense of morality, do you? people match fix in street fighter many times to help the poor player win some money =.= Pheew, I thought you were serious for a while, but now I see you're just a troll. Anyways, hopefully there is no truth to these accusations, I like both of them.  Hope it gets cleared up.
Not everyone who says retarded shit is a troll. Some people are just that misinformed and dumb.
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@ShootingStars Your statements come across as a bit of an elitist and I can't agree.
Matchfixing is never fine, it's cheating, and cheating. is. wrong.
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Here is the link to Google's attempt at translating the page http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http://rakaka.se/?newsID=15691
If the link doesn't work for, in all it's ridiculous google-esque-lengthy-URL-characters-of-glory, just type the URL yourself in a page translator and get back here with your opinion. I am interested in the community's response, as it seemed to produce a nearly unanimous reply in late 2009 that the Korean pro-gamers involved in pro-game matchfixing were wrong in doing so.
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Give ShootingStars a Savior icon.
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On December 22 2010 15:08 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 15:04 Holgerius wrote:On December 22 2010 15:01 ShootingStars wrote:On December 22 2010 15:00 Holgerius wrote:On December 22 2010 14:57 ShootingStars wrote:
your point? if you arent the better player it doesnt matter really =/
if you want to stop them from match fixing, go to the tournament and beat them so they cant fix the final
matchfixing is FINE. it doesnt affect you... they ARE top players. You have no sense of morality, do you? people match fix in street fighter many times to help the poor player win some money =.= Pheew, I thought you were serious for a while, but now I see you're just a troll. Anyways, hopefully there is no truth to these accusations, I like both of them. Hope it gets cleared up. Not everyone who says retarded shit is a troll. Some people are just that misinformed and dumb.
Come on, look at that post. No one could write that and be serious.
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This doesn't make any sense. Why would someone throw the finals of a tourney just so the other guy can get the prize? Couldn't you just win and then send the prize to the other guy anyway?
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I mostly disregard news like this just because I want to believe that nobody would be that stupid to fix a match while streaming.
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On December 22 2010 15:11 huameng wrote:
This doesn't make any sense. Why would someone throw the finals of a tourney just so the other guy can get the prize? Couldn't you just win and then send the prize to the other guy anyway?
My guess is this is what they were actually talking about and it got misinterpreted? But I await a credible translation.
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cant they be joking in their pm's? doesnt seem like definitive proof
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On December 22 2010 15:02 ShootingStars wrote:
please tell me how match fixing is cheating, like map hacking thanks
TWO players in an agreement. unlike maphacking
the key word is AGREEMENT. if both players agree, then its fine.
its just like map choosing. both players agree to play on LOST TEMPLE,
The amount of stupidity that comes out of this post is causing a massive tumour in my brain.
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lol i'm sorry I find this hard to believe because how stupid would you have to be to say that while streaming? If they really are doing this I have to wonder if they were sober when they did it.
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Planning match fixing while streaming... they just went full retard.
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it would be better if they just played normal and then if sjow won he could just give morrow the computer...
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Bleh, I don't like Morrow or Sjow, but I honestly hope none of this is true. SC2 is on shakier ground than Brood War was during their scandal, and I hope that if this is true, that the damage can be minimized.
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I noticed during the EG masters cup Slush seemed to throw the semi finals games against his teammate qxc, saying he was short on time. It was very disappointing to watch, and it takes away something from the whole tournament I feel. I hope organizations come down on things like this later on for the spectators' enjoyment. I can understand that if he was short on time and felt he had a low probability of winning against qxc he'd want to get it over with fast, but it was lame to watch. I turned the stream off after that.
Bringing it up because this is a similiar situation and needs to be discouraged. No one wants to watch fixed matches, unless you're a WWE fan.
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On December 22 2010 15:13 MrBarryObama wrote:
Planning match fixing while streaming... they just went full retard.
They're probably both rofling all over us.
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Can someone actually translate the news and messages ? O_O I heard that it was wildly taken out of context / sensationalism .
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Can someone please explain to me how matchfixing is cheating? Sure it's immoral and wrong but I don't really put it in the same category as cheating. By this I mean that if you cheat (maphack, stackhacks, whatever) you're doing something in-game to modify the outcome. Where as these guys are pretty much saying, let him have the prize. It's in essence, no different than one person winning and then giving the prize to another person.
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On December 22 2010 15:00 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 14:57 ShootingStars wrote:
your point? if you arent the better player it doesnt matter really =/
if you want to stop them from match fixing, go to the tournament and beat them so they cant fix the final
matchfixing is FINE. it doesnt affect you... they ARE top players. You have no sense of morality, do you?
Morality? If you think anything involving starcraft has anything to do with morality YOU don't have any sense of morality. MAYBE you can make an ethical argument, but thats a bit different I'd say.
I think the point is clearly that even if it is stupid (which I think it is, IF its even true), how do you even stop it? What can you possibly do, short of reading someone's mind, to know if they REALLY threw the match or not? It isn't cheating the same way a map hack is cheating for what I think are obvious reasons.
Would I be a fan of players who did something like this? NO. But thats because it would ruin my experience of watching their events, not out of some misplaced sense of morality.
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On December 22 2010 14:57 ShootingStars wrote:
your point? if you arent the better player it doesnt matter really =/
if you want to stop them from match fixing, go to the tournament and beat them so they cant fix the final
matchfixing is FINE. it doesnt affect you... they ARE top players.
hmmm possibly a good point, come to think of it what's the point of a tournament?.. that someone wins something right?!...so if we all work together then we can join a tournament together and take it in turns to win a computer as long as everyone agrees to throws a match for someone that hasn't won one yet. Who wants to sign up?!? anyone???...no, maybe Morrow will
On a serious note, please forgive me as I wash off the stench of sarcasm for the moment (so Yes! disregard that last paragraph), but Seriously guys match throwing hurts the competitive side of esports and its reputation for everyone involved, not just the players but the spectators that have to watch the crap, tournament organisers who will attempt to defend the event, the sponsors for putting up the cash and support and its cheating everyone other than the players (to a degree, I mean some fans will be disappointed, 'The Morrow Fanclub' thread is being posted in row now, ironic how its very close to this one... so in the long run maybe it comes back to the player, can't say but all I know is the majority of us true lovers of the game want to a see a good fight not a sissy half ass attempt to any degree.
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I don't really like either of them, but I can't see how they could possibly be dumb enough to fix a match ON A STREAM.
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