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Niick
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia426 Posts
December 22 2010 06:02 GMT
#21
On December 22 2010 15:01 ShootingStars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 15:00 Holgerius wrote:
On December 22 2010 14:57 ShootingStars wrote:
your point? if you arent the better player it doesnt matter really =/
if you want to stop them from match fixing, go to the tournament and beat them so they cant fix the final
matchfixing is FINE. it doesnt affect you... they ARE top players.

You have no sense of morality, do you?

people match fix in street fighter many times to help the poor player win some money =.=


Holy crap. have you never followed anything in your life? Cricket players do this shit, and get banned from playingcricket at any level for years. It's BAD news.
You'll have to speak up, I'm wearing a towel.
Subversion
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
South Africa3627 Posts
December 22 2010 06:03 GMT
#22
On December 22 2010 15:00 TheToast wrote:
This is stupid. This whole "news story" is based off of some random PMs that Morrow sent while streaming. Hardly good evidence.

He was probably joking IF this even really happened.

This is the Google Translation of the "news story" (hopefully someone else can provide a better translation later)

Show nested quote +
Stars scheduled place matches
Two Swedish Dignitas and Mouz-tied big stars Stacraft 2 makes up for the matches before they finish.

Two of our largest Starcraft 2-stars, the reigning Intel Extreme Masters champion Stefan "Morrow"Smith (for everyday use in the German Mouse Sports) and Inferno Online SC2-launch party champion Jeffrey "Sjow" Busi from British Team Dignitas makes up for games before they have even been played.

It all came to light when the hot-headed Terran and Zerg gaming Morrow stream during the time he played while he chatted with Jeffrey about simply playing next IOS-JUL-tournament so that they want to win wins. The two "rivals" are talking about rigging the tournament so that the players they want to advance, and that when they both reach the finals, they "throw the match" and split the prize money ..

"Morrow PM to SjoW:
* If I stream, they say they can read it but the hard ^ ^
* but anyway, everything ok, I hope
* We can of course play the finals where
* fixed only if we give the prize to the one we want


SjoW about the whole thing on IRC in # SWE.SC2:
* [17:39] <+ dignitasSjoW> we should work on the IO
* [17:39] <+ dignitasSjoW> I o Morrow
* [17:39] <+ dignitasSjoW> and they start to whine here gays

As if this were not enough, Rakaka also been informed that one of the administrators of the Inferno Online's Starcraft 2 tournament, the famous Swedish SC2-commentator and turneringsadminstratören Marcel "Maven" Mattsson given his "approval" to the planned place match. Rakaka find Maven via chat in WoW where he comments on the incident:

"* aa yes have them talk to me
* Like, you can not do anything
* will not ban them either "

Rakaka.se have discussed the incident with Dignitas boss ODEE who can not comment on what occurred before he has talked to his players.


There was also some messages on IRC, and also the commentator Maven condoned it as well, implying it was real. I think a PM between the 2 players is pretty damning evidence? Seems weird to "joke" about something like that, its like making bomb jokes in an airport.
apm66
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada943 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 06:04:13
December 22 2010 06:03 GMT
#23
On December 22 2010 14:57 ShootingStars wrote:
your point? if you arent the better player it doesnt matter really =/
if you want to stop them from match fixing, go to the tournament and beat them so they cant fix the final
matchfixing is FINE. it doesnt affect you... they ARE top players.


I see. That means any TOP teams/players/stars are allowed to rig a match, which, no doubt, will piss off all the fans, ruin the spectator-experience, except of course, those who think that matchfixing don't matter because TOP players are allowed to do so. If the outcome has already been planned, then there's no point of watching

You, sir, are terrible.
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ShootingStars
Profile Joined August 2010
1475 Posts
December 22 2010 06:03 GMT
#24
okay whatever, call it however, but you guys failed to realize they are both in agreement.

User was warned for this post
Piski
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Finland3461 Posts
December 22 2010 06:03 GMT
#25
Shooting star.. Say that to Savior :> Maybe he can use that in his defence to avoid jail time
charlie420247
Profile Joined November 2009
United States692 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 06:12:47
December 22 2010 06:04 GMT
#26
On December 22 2010 15:00 ShootingStars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 14:59 charlie420247 wrote:
On December 22 2010 14:57 ShootingStars wrote:
your point? if you arent the better player it doesnt matter really =/
if you want to stop them from match fixing, go to the tournament and beat them so they cant fix the final
matchfixing is FINE. it doesnt affect you... they ARE top players.


this is a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE attitude to have towards cheating.

cheating is cheating is cheating.

funny, how is matchfixing CHEATING? is it map hacking? no. its an agreement.


you sir are obviously too thick to argue with and too dense to realize

fixed fights= lack of trust from viewers= lack of respect for the sport= sport dies and the players lose out on all thier money and time spent practicing.

a true genius would then take thier crapped on sport that noone respects and complete the circle, they would fix fights that are so awesome and so epic that people actually start watching it again even though they know its fake as california tits. and this is the story of professional wrestling.
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 22 2010 06:04 GMT
#27
On December 22 2010 15:01 ShootingStars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 15:00 Holgerius wrote:
On December 22 2010 14:57 ShootingStars wrote:
your point? if you arent the better player it doesnt matter really =/
if you want to stop them from match fixing, go to the tournament and beat them so they cant fix the final
matchfixing is FINE. it doesnt affect you... they ARE top players.

You have no sense of morality, do you?

people match fix in street fighter many times to help the poor player win some money =.=

Pheew, I thought you were serious for a while, but now I see you're just a troll.

Anyways, hopefully there is no truth to these accusations, I like both of them. Hope it gets cleared up.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36390 Posts
December 22 2010 06:04 GMT
#28
On December 22 2010 15:02 ShootingStars wrote:
please tell me how match fixing is cheating, like map hacking thanks
TWO players in an agreement. unlike maphacking

the key word is AGREEMENT. if both players agree, then its fine.
its just like map choosing. both players agree to play on LOST TEMPLE,

Are you joking? Obviously something can be cheating even though players agree. Let's say two players on a team agree one of them will win so that both can advance through groups. Clearly this isn't allowed, and even if they agree to do it it's still violating the rules.

Otherwise, I am not sure about the validity of the claim in this article.
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apm66
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada943 Posts
December 22 2010 06:05 GMT
#29
On December 22 2010 15:03 ShootingStars wrote:
okay whatever, call it however, but you guys failed to realize they are both in agreement.

You fail to understand sportsmanship
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TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
December 22 2010 06:05 GMT
#30
So they plan on winning all their matches and share the price money?
Is that really matchifixing, I don't quite get it.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
Treva
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States533 Posts
December 22 2010 06:05 GMT
#31
Meh the only thing that this will possibly mess with will be the level of play. However since they aren't screwing anyone over and the only ones that this will affect directly are the 2 players then I don't think it's that big of a deal. Not saying it's right but I think people are going to blow this up.
Live it up.
Kelethius
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada187 Posts
December 22 2010 06:05 GMT
#32
id bet that it was just some friendly shit like "yo sjow sup let me win the computer plz thx" and sjow is like "lol ok" and someone says OMG MATCHFIXING!!!
S.O.L.I.D.
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States792 Posts
December 22 2010 06:06 GMT
#33
On December 22 2010 14:57 ShootingStars wrote:
your point? if you arent the better player it doesnt matter really =/
if you want to stop them from match fixing, go to the tournament and beat them so they cant fix the final
matchfixing is FINE. it doesnt affect you... they ARE top players.


What are you talking about? That's like saying that the Chicago Black Sox scandal is okay. It damages the integrity of the sport if stuff like this happens. I really hope this is false.
Xapti
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2473 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 06:12:18
December 22 2010 06:06 GMT
#34
Match fixing for bribes by a 3rd party is a problem. If a player however, feels like throwing a match just to help someone out, that is his own prerogative and is not cheating by any definition of the term. (whether or not it is some other problem is another thing)
On December 22 2010 15:05 Kelethius wrote:
id bet that it was just some friendly shit like "yo sjow sup let me win the computer plz thx" and sjow is like "lol ok" and someone says OMG MATCHFIXING!!!
Yeah more likely than not I'd say.
"Then he told me to tell you that he wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire" — "Well, you tell him that I said that I wouldn't piss on him if he was on Jeopardy!"
charlie420247
Profile Joined November 2009
United States692 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 06:08:53
December 22 2010 06:06 GMT
#35
On December 22 2010 15:03 ShootingStars wrote:
okay whatever, call it however, but you guys failed to realize they are both in agreement.


how the hell do you fix a match without the agreement of both players????

also how does fixing a match not constitute cheating???

in boxing if a guy throws a fight ITS CHEATING!!!
there are 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who dont.
category
Profile Joined July 2009
United States85 Posts
December 22 2010 06:06 GMT
#36
On December 22 2010 15:02 Cel.erity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 14:59 ShootingStars wrote:
On December 22 2010 14:58 Subversion wrote:
How is matchfixing fine...?


whats wrong about it? its an agreement between 2 players. if you want to stop it, beat them at the tournament.


I'm not even going to comment on how stupid this sounds.

Anyway, doesn't surprise me, MorroW has never been very high on respect in my book, I would have hoped for more from Sjow though. =\


I feel the opposite. I have a ton of respect for Morrow, and I'm pretty sure that he is well above this type of behavior. He's a good kid with a lot of discipline; but anyway, you gotta give the benefit of the doubt until there is some more credible evidence.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 06:09:33
December 22 2010 06:08 GMT
#37
I don't know what to think. On one hand, when accusing top players of such serious shit you need to bring some evidence. But on the other hand, there is no smoke without fire... If that whole matchfixing turns out to be true, I would not be surprised. Disappointed, yes.

Can we please warn ShootingStars? I don't want to be part of a community where there are guys like him who say that matchfixing is fine. I mean, doesn't TL have a reputation? Or are sewer rats allowed ?

edit; wow mods are SUPERHUMAN
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Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
December 22 2010 06:08 GMT
#38
I'd be really interested to see the translation if anyone's working on that. It looks to me from the screencap that it's only Morrow saying anything. It would be nice if someone could look in the archives of the stream and translate the entire convo that happened. Did Sjow reply to whatever Morrow said? What was the context of the conversation?

If anything, I would say play the tournament, and then if Sjow is such a nice guy and Morrow needs it so badly, he can just give him the computer after he wins (if he even does in the first place).

The only thing I don't like, is that now if they both get to the finals of this tournament, the whole series is going to be put in doubt about whether the players are actually trying their hardest. =/
you gotta dance
Bluetea
Profile Joined August 2010
United States185 Posts
December 22 2010 06:08 GMT
#39
On December 22 2010 15:00 TheToast wrote:
This is stupid. This whole "news story" is based off of some random PMs that Morrow sent while streaming. Hardly good evidence.

He was probably joking IF this even really happened.


Why would they "joke" about fixing a match? "Random" PMs? How can you claim this isn't solid evidence? It was seen in the stream...
All these bitches is my sons.
TheToast
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4808 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-22 06:11:43
December 22 2010 06:08 GMT
#40
On December 22 2010 15:03 Subversion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2010 15:00 TheToast wrote:
This is stupid. This whole "news story" is based off of some random PMs that Morrow sent while streaming. Hardly good evidence.

He was probably joking IF this even really happened.

This is the Google Translation of the "news story" (hopefully someone else can provide a better translation later)

Stars scheduled place matches
Two Swedish Dignitas and Mouz-tied big stars Stacraft 2 makes up for the matches before they finish.

Two of our largest Starcraft 2-stars, the reigning Intel Extreme Masters champion Stefan "Morrow"Smith (for everyday use in the German Mouse Sports) and Inferno Online SC2-launch party champion Jeffrey "Sjow" Busi from British Team Dignitas makes up for games before they have even been played.

It all came to light when the hot-headed Terran and Zerg gaming Morrow stream during the time he played while he chatted with Jeffrey about simply playing next IOS-JUL-tournament so that they want to win wins. The two "rivals" are talking about rigging the tournament so that the players they want to advance, and that when they both reach the finals, they "throw the match" and split the prize money ..

"Morrow PM to SjoW:
* If I stream, they say they can read it but the hard ^ ^
* but anyway, everything ok, I hope
* We can of course play the finals where
* fixed only if we give the prize to the one we want


SjoW about the whole thing on IRC in # SWE.SC2:
* [17:39] <+ dignitasSjoW> we should work on the IO
* [17:39] <+ dignitasSjoW> I o Morrow
* [17:39] <+ dignitasSjoW> and they start to whine here gays

As if this were not enough, Rakaka also been informed that one of the administrators of the Inferno Online's Starcraft 2 tournament, the famous Swedish SC2-commentator and turneringsadminstratören Marcel "Maven" Mattsson given his "approval" to the planned place match. Rakaka find Maven via chat in WoW where he comments on the incident:

"* aa yes have them talk to me
* Like, you can not do anything
* will not ban them either "

Rakaka.se have discussed the incident with Dignitas boss ODEE who can not comment on what occurred before he has talked to his players.


There was also some messages on IRC, and also the commentator Maven condoned it as well, implying it was real. I think a PM between the 2 players is pretty damning evidence? Seems weird to "joke" about something like that, its like making bomb jokes in an airport.


Where is the proof? Someone could easily photoshop this picture. Does anyone have these supposed IRC logs? Does anyone have any kind of proof at all?

I highly doubt Morrow would be stupid enough to organize a match fixing while streaming and on an open IRC channel.

I'm not saying cheating doesn't go on, but for god sake lets wait until some form of actual proof is offered up before we damn the two of them to internet hell.

Otherwise these threads always just end up turning into crazed witch-hunts.
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