EPTMorrow and Sjow Matchfixing? - Page 7
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SweetNJoshSauce
United States468 Posts
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MarCoon
Germany493 Posts
On December 22 2010 15:47 Subversion wrote: So basically, you took a fun, community endeavour to have a cool local tournament, and abused it so that you and MorroW could literally win every single prize by making sure one of you finished first. That's pretty shameful imo. Just seems like you're greedy bastard trying to snatch whatever you can and exploit a tournament when the community is trying to host small tournaments to help grow e-sports, not let you win as many prizes as you can get your hands on. You may not be letting down an audience, but I feel like it really lets down the community. They didn't play the finals at all, they just took the prize when both of them were in the finals, basically splitting THAT T_T | ||
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SiCkO_
United States481 Posts
Best of luck to both of you and good luck in your future games/tournys | ||
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shindigs
United States4795 Posts
This type of thing is actually pretty common from what I've heard. It's a totally unrelated scene, but the same issue came up in the Super Smash Brothers Brawl community with the top two players aimed to split the prize at MLG in a similar fashion - it was condoned as match fixing. Even an acquaintance of mine did the same thing at a local tournament (nothing really big, but still). I always assumed that this type of thing happened in SC to some extent, and to some degree I can see why they see nothing "wrong" with it, but these players should also realize the gravity of doing something as frowned upon as "match fixing" in this regard. I hope the players realize that though it seems "reasonable" to split the prize money if they both will be in the finals, that its a huge middle finger to a growing e-sports community that wants nothing more than integrity from the players. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On December 22 2010 15:51 FataLe wrote: This sort of garbage is what taints e-sports. Your robbing the fans of true and fair matches with proper results. Shame on you two SjoW & MorroW. Hope you both get refused entry in future tournaments. Im sorry for being a shitty poster, but god damn. Let me ask you something (again): What is wrong with both of them wanting to participate and enjoy the events, while still wanting to win the biggest prizes, AND deciding that only one of them is going to play when an admin tells them that its not ok to match fix, despite the system? They werent allowed to fix matches, so only one of them played - they havent cheated. Considering the way this event works, OF COURSE they dont want to beat each other. That means neither of them could win the big prize. Its not the same as match fixing when the winner of the finals just takes it all. This is a LADDER event. Besides, when the admins said they werent allowed to both play, only one of them played... whats the big deal? The only reason they didnt want to beat each other, is that if they did, neither of them could win a big prize, but they both wanted to participate in the event and enjoy it. An admin told them they wouldnt be allowed to do that, SO THEY DIDNT DO IT. Of course they wanted to do it,... they both wanted to play, obviously. But in the end, only one of them played. What is there to be pissed about? What did they do thats bad? I have a feeling you commented without reading every post. If you did read every post, explain yourself... | ||
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huameng
United States1133 Posts
On December 22 2010 15:52 LegendaryZ wrote: It's not an issue of cheating so much as it is an issue of betraying the spirit of competition and sportsmanship. What you do afterward with the prize money is, of course, your business, but would it have killed you guys to just play out the games normally and see who wins regardless? It's not as if it's some sort of massive investment of time or effort. I don't think you get the situation. It's not just 1 series they were gonna have to play, it's a series of a bunch of tournaments. If, like roughly expected, they split these tournies 50-50, they each get an ok prize. But if they let 1 guy win most of them, he gets a way bigger prize, which they could then split and each make more money. Then they asked the tournament director and he said no, so one of them isn't playing. Nothing even happened. I have no idea why people are still mad, Sjow's posts cleared everything up. | ||
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alacheesu
21 Posts
On December 22 2010 15:50 SjoW wrote:Theres only one prize on each tournament and read what I typed... We expected to be in finals every single one we participated in... Just let it be, man. I think at this point most people understand that no harm was done. The remaining people either don't understand or just don't want to understand, and there's not much you or anyone can do about that. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On December 22 2010 15:49 JoeSchmoe wrote: match fixing is not cheating guys. the 2 people are in agreement. lets just match fix every single game in GSL, force all the players to agree and split the money among all the participants. yes? this is how e-sports should really be. my liquibets will never be wrong ever again. It isn't cheating, but it kills sports. IF suddenly i see that every single SC2 tournament is rigged, i'd stop watching them, that is for sure. And then, as more and more people stop watching, suddenly sponsors back out... then suddenly there is no tournament to be seen in the first place. I hope you aren't serious... to say the least. | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
On December 22 2010 15:52 ectonym wrote: No one here has a problem with the winner giving the prize to who he wants to if he can win it fairly. I think that needs to be focus here. reason for edit: i like italics That isn't what they did though. This is what they said (translated): "We can play the finals then But we just give the victory to whoever we want" | ||
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tok
United States691 Posts
I hope they kick you both out. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
If the rules are dumb enough such that to win the large prize you have to win a certain number of tournaments, but the chances are you and your buddy will split the tournaments evenly, then of course you do an agreement like this. What this really is is sjow and morrow trying to get around some dumb rules. Imagine if in the GSL they said that if you go 4-0 in the finals, then you get double the prize. That would be retarded. Blame the system not the players. Plus it's not televised or anything important. There won't be any bets going on and it will probably not end up online. Not a big deal at all. | ||
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dala
Sweden477 Posts
I agree with Ashzala: On December 22 2010 15:45 Ashzala wrote: I was going to translate the article, but after reading SjoW's post it's all clear, so I see no need to. Unnecessary drama FTL! SjoW's explanation: + Show Spoiler + On December 22 2010 15:30 SjoW wrote: Lets make this clear. We both wanted to participate on this league and if both would participate on this tournament it would decrease our chances of winning the grandprize (a computer). The league consists of 18 tournaments and is played once a day. For every first place you get a prize and climb one step closer to the grandprize. You ultimatly need to win 11 tournament to get the grandprize and when there is only 18 tournaments, only one can get the grandprize. So we both agreed it would be better if we split the prizes and just let one of us win everyone. (we assumed we would go to the finals everytime since we would be in diffrent part of brackets because of seeds, we didnt see any harm in it. We talked with the organisation and they didnt allow us to do fixed matches. Now only one of us gonna play. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
The two players asked permission if they could do this, since they were (apparently) obviously going to be in every finals. They weren't allowed, so only one person competed so that one could get the prize. You are all over reacting. This was a small event made to make money for the cafe. Competition meant no one would get the prize. Morrow and Sjow wanted one of them to get it. So only one person entered. Match fixing didn't happen. Match fixing is wrong and is a hindrance for the development of a professional sport. But this wasn't a tournament, nor was it anything important. It was as much a tournament as a lunchtime 1 on 1 on the court for a pot of money is the same as the NBA playoffs. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On December 22 2010 15:46 SjoW wrote: I agree its wrong on a big tournament because it lets down the audiance. By not showing a good game or not a game at all. But in this case theres no audiance at all. You're letting down the sponsor/s, the other participants and E-sports in general. You're tainting known names and setting a terrible example. Shame on both of you. You deserve to be barred from future tourneys for this shit. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On December 22 2010 15:56 tok wrote: Why would you even think this is ok? You do realize Brood War is still recovering from their scandal so why even attempt to do something similar? I hope they kick you both out. Lol I quit this thread. | ||
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arcticStorm
United States295 Posts
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djengizz
Netherlands42 Posts
On December 22 2010 15:47 Subversion wrote: So basically, you took a fun, community endeavour to have a cool local tournament, and abused it so that you and MorroW could literally win every single prize by making sure one of you finished first. That's pretty shameful imo. Just seems like you're greedy bastard trying to snatch whatever you can and exploit a tournament when the community is trying to host small tournaments to help grow e-sports, not let you win as many prizes as you can get your hands on. You may not be letting down an audience, but I feel like it really lets down the community. ^^^^ This, and how you can not see this is beyond me (no matter if there's one prize or not). How would you feel if you put up money for a showmatch only to find out the participants didn't even try to put up a good match but were only interested in getting the money the easiest way possible? | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner's_dilemma If sjow and morrow both try beat each other, they will end up with small prizes each. If they cooperate, they will end up with medium prizes each, but if one wants to cooporate and the other deceives and wins the whole prize, then one would end up with a large prize, but the other with a small or no prize. Game Theory FTW | ||
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Shika
Sweden1711 Posts
The way the tournament is setup it would be ridiculous for SjoW and MorroW to both play in it and give it their best against each other in the finals of the mini tours. They talked to the tournament administrators about if it would be okay for them to drop games on purpose to each other (in the finals where they both already have taken out one bracket each) and it was not so now only one of them plays, so that guy is guaranteed the big prize, instead of them screwing each other out of the big price by splitting wins. In this particular tournament they are such huge favourites aswell that they are almost guaranteed to be in the finals of every one of the tours. Would be so stupid to split wins. I'm annoyed by Rakaka aswell for their sensationalistic bullshit article tarnishing the name of two of swedens greats in SC2 without any form of research behind it. | ||
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