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Morrow and Sjow Matchfixing? - Page 9
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MarCoon
Germany493 Posts
Please just stop giving credit to this article. Just a part of it is true and the rest is sensationalism and basucally no journalism involved... | ||
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freeto
United States122 Posts
the reason sjow thinks this is ok in this tournament and not a large one is because this tournament has no audience to disappoint with a lackluster or 1 sided game. their games could be 1 minute or 2 hours and it wouldn't make a difference because theres' no one spectating them. im not sure if the underlying morals of this are good or not, but in this case the "cheating" doesn't hurt any other players | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
On December 22 2010 16:10 Cathasaigh wrote: If you read the posts and still think there's an issue then you're just an idiot that should stop posting in this thread anyways. So either way it should be locked. With that kind of attitude and inflammatory posting, you should stop posting on TL at all. | ||
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Cathasaigh
United States285 Posts
On December 22 2010 16:08 mango_destroyer wrote: Finding loopholes into the format no matter how bad it is still hurts the integrity and esports in general. I read the explanation from Sjow and it still doesn`t give any credibility at all to be honest. Call it what you will, that is still match fixing. Actually it's nothing since only one of them ended playing after they asked the organizers. | ||
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Aegeis
United States1619 Posts
On December 22 2010 15:00 ShootingStars wrote: funny, how is matchfixing CHEATING? is it map hacking? no. its an agreement. Holy shit you are retarded. | ||
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Danjoh
Sweden405 Posts
I tried to argue what does it matter if the winner and the runner up decides to split the prize. + Show Spoiler [Example] + 1st place: 20€ + Headphones 2nd place: 10€ + Mouse Both make it to final. Player A takes headphones Player B takes 30€ + Mouse, regardless of outcome. But then after some intense googling, I managed to find the tournament and after another 20 minutes I managed to find the rules. At that point I could understand it a bit more why they would want to decide winner also, but then I asked my friend "Wouldn't another way of fixing this be for one of the players to simply not compete?" Wich seems to be what Morrow and Sjow decided on after contacting the tournament staff. Same result. Also, to add something that hasn't already been said in the topic. Sjow did whisper morrow during the stream saying "I don't want to cheat". (not exact quotation, but it was in the context of if what they were doing was against the tournament rules). | ||
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Cathasaigh
United States285 Posts
On December 22 2010 16:12 Subversion wrote: With that kind of attitude and inflammatory posting, you should stop posting on TL at all. Say what you want, doesn't change the fact that there is clearly no issue here, ESPECIALLY since they didn't even end up both playing after talking to the organizers. So this is clearly people making a big issue out of something that is a non issue. Most of the people making an issue out of it clearly haven't read the whole thread but you claim to have read what was said and still somehow think it's an issue. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
Sjow explained himself. I don't see any problem with what they are doing(way different from what Savior did).They didn't go through it, they even asked the tournament manager about it and nothing happened. | ||
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Biggo
Australia185 Posts
-To win the major prize the tournament organiser has ruled that you have to clearly be the best player (ie win 11/18 games) -It seems neither Sjow or Morrow felt confident enough in their own skill to believe they could do it -They then tried to work out a plan to get the main prize by handing one free wins So for me, the intention to cheat was there. That they asked the admin and didn't go ahead is a good thing, but then again, did you only check with the admin because this was leaked? | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On December 22 2010 16:16 Biggo wrote: So for me, the intention to cheat was there. That they asked the admin and didn't go ahead is a good thing, but then again, did you only check with the admin because this was leaked? This was leaked after the first tournament was over, and in the first tournament, only one of them played. There is no possible way they could have checked it with the admin because it was leaked, because it was leaked AFTER they played. (one of them, that is). + Show Spoiler + I know I said Id quit this thread, but I just cant stop spamming that F5  | ||
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jayt88
Singapore97 Posts
Additionally, this situation is not really that big of a deal. It is similar to one of a round robin predicament where player A and player B are teammates. Player A cannot qualify since he has already lost 2 of 3 games, but if he lose the next match against player B, his teammate player B will be able to qualify over some other player. I think it is entirely fair if player A intentionally loses to player B just to allow him to qualify. If both of them reach the finals, I really don't see how they choose to split the money matters. It can be considered an evenly distributed prize pool show match event. And stop linking it to the BW match-fixing incident which involves third party betting organizations. | ||
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NeSS1
United States101 Posts
On December 22 2010 16:10 infinitestory wrote: The point is, the two wanted to fix the finals because if they competed wholeheartedly in the finals then it's likely neither would have gotten the prize, which is only awarded for winning 11 of 18. They asked the managers whether they could fix the finals, and the managers said no. If I'm reading SjoW's post right, no matchfixing actually occurred. To that end, I think a title change might be in order, since the current title implies that there's reason to believe SjoW and MorroW actually fixed something. Then it naturally follows that only one of them (the planned winner) should participate in the entire tournament. SjoW shouldn't be able to knock out players that may have beaten MorroW and then throw the finals. The organization has already come to this verdict. In any case, arranging matches is still unethical. Obviously, it's worse if betting is involved, but even in this case, match-fixing (or whatever you prefer to call it) shouldn't be tolerated. | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
I may have misunderstood but are Sjow and Morrow only in it for the money or what? The part about agreeing to split prize without even playing the game. What happened to the love of competition and all that shit? I get it, you in for the money, screw esports, screw fame, screw fans. That reminds me of some professionnal soccer players, that kind of attitude disgusts me. | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
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Biggo
Australia185 Posts
On December 22 2010 16:18 vOdToasT wrote: This was leaked after the first tournament was over, and in the first tournament, only one of them played. There is no possible way they could have checked it with the admin because it was leaked, because it was leaked AFTER they played. (one of them, that is). + Show Spoiler + I know I said Id quit this thread, but I just cant stop spamming that F5 Fair enough, then at least they didn't go ahead with it which is a good thing, but still a disappointing thing for them to be considering in the first place IMHO. | ||
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On December 22 2010 16:19 Biggo wrote: Fair enough, then at least they didn't go ahead with it which is a good thing, but still a disappointing thing for them to be considering in the first place IMHO. That is a viable opinion. I wont argue with that. I am only here to argue about facts and truth.  | ||
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Gooey
United States944 Posts
People who are talking about "so you think throwing tournament matches is ok?" are taking it out of context. It is like that N64 that you would see at the arcade when you were a kid that cost an absurd amount of tickets that the owner had no intention of selling, but used it to bait kids into spending more money than they would like to, and in the end, falling short, never to receive the N64. But then a group of 4 kids got smart and pooled tickets together, and bought the 64 with all of their tickets combined so they could all play super smash bros on the weekends. They are not giving this from the perspective of a monthly cup tournament for $200 being livecasted to 5000 people. This is two kids trying to get the old man's 64 at the arcade that is never supposed to be won. | ||
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Imperfect1987
United States558 Posts
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iggyfisk
Sweden212 Posts
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freeto
United States122 Posts
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