EPTIf one of them leads 8-7, the other one can just stop participating... no need for match-fixing and they would get the computer (if they are better then the oher players of course)
Morrow and Sjow Matchfixing? - Page 35
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arctics86
Germany797 Posts
If one of them leads 8-7, the other one can just stop participating... no need for match-fixing and they would get the computer (if they are better then the oher players of course) | ||
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genai
Croatia78 Posts
On December 22 2010 22:26 sleepingdog wrote: This is ridiculous. Why on earth do you think are you "allowed" to scam a sponsor just because nobody watches? It's the money of the tournament host/sponsor (his frickin property), he can decide how he wants to give it away, or if at all. If he wants to make absurd rules, fine, it's his money, he can do whatever he wants with it. If he states that the special jackpot goes to the player who wins most games by 6-pooling, it's his damn right. You, on the other hand, are not forced to participate if you don't like it. Audience has nothing to do with this...like...at all. because sponsor and organizers made it possible and legal? why is that so hard to understand? players dont have any obligation towards the sponsors, tournament organizer has, and they came up with the faulty system that will hurt both sponsors and players... so you can stop jumping on players for doing what they are supposed to do in situation like that! and that is not to go against your own well being to please someone who didnt give you anything, and you dont owe them anything! sponsors profit from good players being there by getting more coverage, organizers profit from getting more sponsors because there are more good players, and players profit from more sponsors by getting more prizes... and organizers decided to put players into spot where they have to choose between their own well being and organizers + sponsors well being... and you blame players for choosing the right way???? | ||
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DND_Enkil
Sweden598 Posts
On December 22 2010 22:31 VoirDire wrote: Rakaka.se interpreted Budaks statement with: Sjorrow-gate! They may get banned for life. EXTRA! Sjorrow-gate is condemned by Anton Budak. Well yeah, that are the headlines... But honestly, how many times have you seen aftonbladet use totally ridiulous headlines aswell? It is there to attract attention and make people click it, if you read the article after clicking it paints a different picture than the headline. It is pretty common for all news-media, i dont exactly like it but having some insight in the buisness that is how it pretty much has to be done if you want to be competetive and attract readers. | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On December 22 2010 22:31 arctics86 wrote: One Question: If one of them leads 8-7, the other one can just stop participating... no need for match-fixing and they would get the computer (if they are better then the oher players of course) Well this way would be way better. The other could always say that something come up and withdrew from rest of tourney series. It's still a bit disrespectfull but that would be way better. And about no spectators. You believe they cleared the whole place for the players to play? There would always be bystanders (not to mention cs players) their friends and fans watching and cheering. | ||
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Askesis
216 Posts
On December 22 2010 22:23 Cor Aut Mors wrote: your right I dont and some is specualtion but is has been stated on here earlier that the players did approach the officials prior to the tournament regarding their plan and, we were shown that sjowe did not see anything wrong with what they were trying to do and that, originally, on WoW the official of the tournament didnt completely disregard the idea and didnt call for immediate banishment ya the feelings of each are specualtions by me, but based on the information given, it seems pretty accurate It was stated by Sjow in this thread that they and the tournament staff talked about the situation. It was not clear if they went and asked the tournament staff if they could do it (as if there were any chance they would allow it?), or if the tournament staff approached them about it. All the statements saying they went directly to them and asked came from people not involved in the situation. | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On December 22 2010 22:34 genai wrote: sponsors profit from good players being there by getting more coverage Exactly - and sponsors won't profit if the players make a mockery of events. I won't write any more on this, TotalBiscuit has said everything that needs to be said. It's embarassing to see how narrow-minded huge parts of the esports-scene still are that they fail to realize how much stuff like this hurts the whole concept of competitive e-sports. Not simply on a "moral" level but on a "monetary" level. Do you really think any sponsor who reads this stuff will think "hey, cool stuff this SC2, I'll put my money into it to get good promotion for my products". Really? | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
# of wins - Prize 1 - 250kr (25€) gift certificate 2 - Steelseries Mousepad 3 - Steelseries headphones (XAI/7H, pick one out of the 2) 4 - Steelseries Keyboard 5 - Tony Hawk SHRED (PS3 game) 6 - Guitar Hero: Warroirs of rock (PS3 game) 7 - DJ Hero 2 8 - 21,5" Phillipcs LCD monitor 9 - Intel core i5-750 (+mobo, "Sweclockers recomend") 10 - Intel Core i7-908x (+mobo, "Worlds fastest CPU") 11 - HP Z800 computer, valued 40 000kr (4 000€) The more you win, the better the prize. If both of them made it to the final, they were going to throw the match, so one guy gets all the wins. It's unfair for other competitors, unfair for the tournament organizers, and unfair for the fans. | ||
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DND_Enkil
Sweden598 Posts
On December 22 2010 22:34 genai wrote: because sponsor and organizers made it possible and legal? why is that so hard to understand? Exept... It is not legal. | ||
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
On December 22 2010 22:28 Askesis wrote: Well put. The thing that really gets to me is how so many of the people in the thread are siding with the players. Perhaps it's just the early sample size, but the proportion is alarming so far. The reason I'm siding with the players is because of the information I've been given. This quote right here pretty much covers what my take is: On December 22 2010 22:13 VoirDire wrote: Let's say it's day 18 and you are in the finals with your friend. Your friend has won 10 tournaments. If you win, you'd get a €25 gift certificate. If your friend wins, he'd get a computer worth €4000 (and a €25 gift certificate). Like someone said before me, it's an clear case of the prisoners dilemma. In that scenario, I would seriously be ashamed if i won the last game instead of my friend. According to this the incentive is not to win as TotalBiscuit is saying, it's to lose. Why would I prize-block my friend for nothing? | ||
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Cor Aut Mors
United States6 Posts
It was stated by Sjow in this thread that they and the tournament staff talked about the situation. It was not clear if they went and asked the tournament staff if they could do it (as if there were any chance they would allow it?), or if the tournament staff approached them about it. All the statements saying they went directly to them and asked came from people not involved in the situation. the tournament might allow it if they dont, one top player leaves and theres less recognition for the tournament itself your probably right about the rest, im just goin based on what the rest of the forum says and tried to make a counterpoint towards all those raving mad about the situation truth is, we dont know the truth and it is way to early to banish them | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
On December 22 2010 22:40 TheBanana wrote: [...] Why would I prize-block my friend for nothing? That's right. Nobody would do this. I don't understand why the people are so mad about it. | ||
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lastreason
Romania250 Posts
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VoirDire
Sweden1923 Posts
On December 22 2010 22:36 DND_Enkil wrote: Well yeah, that are the headlines... But honestly, how many times have you seen aftonbladet use totally ridiulous headlines aswell? It is there to attract attention and make people click it, if you read the article after clicking it paints a different picture than the headline. It is pretty common for all news-media, i dont exactly like it but having some insight in the buisness that is how it pretty much has to be done if you want to be competetive and attract readers. My point is that rakaka.se (and aftonbladet btw) are shitty sources of news. They don't report news, they invent news and blow small things into giant proportions using sensationalism. I have some insight in news reporting myself, that's why I get so upset. You don't have to do that to attract readers. Just look at teamliquid. | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
On December 22 2010 22:40 TheBanana wrote: The reason I'm siding with the players is because of the information I've been given. This quote right here pretty much covers what my take is: According to this the incentive is not to win as TotalBiscuit is saying, it's to lose. Why would I prize-block my friend for nothing? If you didn't want to prize-block your friend, you should simply not participate in the tourney. Participating and then throwing the match gives your friend a free win, cheats the tournament sponsors of a prize that wasn't legitimately won, and robs the fans of a good match to watch. It's bad sportsmanship. | ||
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maliceee
United States634 Posts
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Perscienter
957 Posts
On December 22 2010 22:43 lastreason wrote: oh don't worry guys things like this hapened before and will happen again , cause sc2 doesnt have a kespa As if Kespa, FIFA, UEFA or any other professional organization would not encounter similar problems. | ||
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genai
Croatia78 Posts
On December 22 2010 22:38 sleepingdog wrote: Exactly - and sponsors won't profit if the players make a mockery of events. I won't write any more on this, TotalBiscuit has said everything that needs to be said. It's embarassing to see how narrow-minded huge parts of the esports-scene still are that they fail to realize how much stuff like this hurts the whole concept of competitive e-sports. Not simply on a "moral" level but on a "monetary" level. Do you really think any sponsor who reads this stuff will think of "hey, cool stuff this SC2, I'll put my money into it to get good promotion for my products". Really? again, its not on players to please the sponsor... its organizers duty to their sponsors... its organizers duty to attract more good players to benefit their sponsors, and therefor get more sponsors! yet they come up with the system that makes players not play or "cheat", as people put it... and then you blame players for trying to both play and not hurt themselves (all within the rules)... yea, damn those players for not hurting themselves so some other guys can benefit from them! brilliant idea!!! so again... organizers made players choose between themselves and sponsors/organizer! choices for players: 1. hurt myself and hurt organizer + sponsor but help friend (not play at all) 2. hurt myself, hurt my friend, but help sponsors and organizers (just play) 3. help myself, help friend, hurt sponsors and organizers (earn yourself the right to NOT win by getting to the finals and then forfeiting... if you cant defeat me to get to the finals, you didnt earn the right to win or lose it... so other players are not getting hurt, if i win 9 and my friend 9 or i win 10 and my frined 8 or i win all 18, its all the same to the 3rd guy that never got to the finals) choice is obvious to me... 3 if possible (they found out it isnt), then 1... and never 2! so not really players fault at all | ||
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NKzs
Canada102 Posts
On December 22 2010 22:38 KevinIX wrote: They aren't splitting the prize. The more you win, the better the prize. If both of them made it to the final, they were going to throw the match, so one guy gets all the wins. It's unfair for other competitors, unfair for the tournament organizers, and unfair for the fans. I don't understand how that's unfair at all. They would clearly need to be the top players in order to make it that far, so it's as if one guy is saying to the other, here take the PC I don't need it. It's not as though the officials are the ones fixing a match, it's the players themselves, and if they have the skill to be able to fix it in the first place, then they should be allowed to. If someone has an issue with it, win the tournament? It was already mentioned that the tournament won't be broadcasted in front of a big audience, so there's no letdown with a "faked" match being played. | ||
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MisterPuppy
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froGGifyre
United States213 Posts
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