EPTMorrow and Sjow Matchfixing? - Page 36
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EIRELEGEND
Ireland26 Posts
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dakalro
Romania525 Posts
On December 22 2010 22:03 Askesis wrote: I understand everything you are saying, but I fail to see the problem. They state the facts, the structure, everything clearly. It's not like they are hiding thinks in small print on the back of the card. Everything is stated clearly. It's not as if the flyer says "GIVING AWAY 6k COMPUTER!!" and then when they get there they are like "lol yea, if you win 11 tournaments". They are not misleading in any way. It's up for the players to decide if it's an event that they wish to enter. They don't have the right to take it upon themselves to game the system however they see fit. My problem is with the other participants' perception of the prizes and tournament. A large majority of the people that will see an announcement of this will not realize what the prizes really are and how things will actually turn out. It feels essentially like false advertisement. Imagine this, big poster, 6K in prizes, 2 big SC2 names, they get tons of customers paying to be there those nights (this is an in house event after all, publicity to get customers to play there on winter nights and make $$$). Then you get to the reality, it's actually 2K prizes, 1 big name because the rules made it not worth for both of them to be there. I just really hate lying about products and misrepresenting some ideas image, feels like one of the dirtiest things someone could do for money, like those damned snake oil cures everything salesmen. I know there is a chance someone some day will win it but it is so small that you are actually better off playing poker in a casino with the dealer knowing your hand. | ||
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djengizz
Netherlands42 Posts
On December 22 2010 22:40 TheBanana wrote: Why would I prize-block my friend for nothing? Lol, this is getting more and more ridiculous. Friendship shouldn't be a factor in any competitive scene. If your friend isn't good enough to win as many times as is needed to collect a bonus prize his skill is prize-blocking him, not his friendship. | ||
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trucane
United States553 Posts
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genai
Croatia78 Posts
On December 22 2010 22:56 djengizz wrote: Lol, this is getting more and more ridiculous. Friendship shouldn't be a factor in any competitive scene. If your friend isn't good enough to win as many times as is needed to collect a bonus prize his skill is prize-blocking him, not his friendship. if i prize block my friend, i dont get anything more out of it... if i dont prize block my friend, i get the same amount, but my friend gets more... so yea, no incentive to be competitive, quite the opposite, players doing the best they can from the cards they are given by the organizer, good job players... if you want different outcome, give them different cards  | ||
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dakalro
Romania525 Posts
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Mainland
Canada551 Posts
Of course, if it's a KOTH or like EG/MSI's laptop tourney, then those are fine with conditions to win prizes. I'm speaking mostly about a system where they reward the first player only if he beats his opponents by a certain amount. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
We talked with the organisation and they didnt allow us to do fixed matches. Now only one of us gonna play. So they asked the tournament organisers if it was acceptable, and they said no, so now they aren't doing it? Seems fine to me. | ||
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
On December 22 2010 22:56 djengizz wrote: Lol, this is getting more and more ridiculous. Friendship shouldn't be a factor in any competitive scene. If your friend isn't good enough to win as many times as is needed to collect a bonus prize his skill is prize-blocking him, not his friendship. According to the premise he evidently is good enough, and also the incentive you have in the scenario is not to compete due to the structure. Give it some thought, don't just blurt out stuff. | ||
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cromat
Afghanistan100 Posts
That sad, morrow is a retard for not closing his stream even after sjow asked him to. | ||
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Sicky
United Kingdom121 Posts
On December 22 2010 14:57 ShootingStars wrote: your point? if you arent the better player it doesnt matter really =/ if you want to stop them from match fixing, go to the tournament and beat them so they cant fix the final matchfixing is FINE. it doesnt affect you... they ARE top players. Morrow a top player? When you say top player do you mean a player who got lucky when by using a completely broken unit at the start of the game? Because that's what he is. You have a horrible attitude to matchfixing. I don't really understand why he's doing this for Morrow; if Morrow can't afford to buy his own computer perhaps he should get better at the game or try getting a job. | ||
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DuckS
United States845 Posts
stuff like this really butchers the sport | ||
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aristarchus
United States652 Posts
On December 22 2010 23:02 TheBanana wrote: According to the premise he evidently is good enough, and also the incentive you have in the scenario is not to compete due to the structure. Give it some thought, don't just blurt out stuff. He gave it some thought. That's why he's right... Try giving your own post some thought. According to the premise he is good enough *only if his friend throws the match to him*. Yes, the incentive is not to compete in the tournament at all. Yes, this is a dumb prize structure. No, that fails to change the fact that this is totally unacceptable behavior. | ||
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djengizz
Netherlands42 Posts
On December 22 2010 23:00 genai wrote: if i prize block my friend, i dont get anything more out of it... if i dont prize block my friend, i get the same amount, but my friend gets more... so yea, no incentive to be competitive, quite the opposite, players doing the best they can from the cards they are given by the organizer, good job players... if you want different outcome, give them different cards If you're able to prize-block him that means he's simply not good enough to win the prize, otherwise he can just crush you and collect the prize. In other words he doesn't deserve the prize even if it's a rediculous format. Manipulating matches to get him a prize anyway (which he doesn't deserve based on his skill) is cheating. What you're saying is: if i can't have it than i'll make sure someone that i choose gets it. That's not the idea of a competitive tournament. | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
On December 22 2010 23:08 djengizz wrote: If you're able to prize-block him that means he's simply not good enough to win the prize, otherwise he can just crush you and collect the prize. In other words he doesn't deserve the prize even if it's a rediculous format. Manipulating matches to get him a prize anyway (which he doesn't deserve based on his skill) is cheating. What you're saying is: if i can't have it than i'll make sure someone that i choose gets it. That's not the idea of a competitive tournament. I'm sorry for your friends. | ||
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DND_Enkil
Sweden598 Posts
On December 22 2010 23:00 genai wrote: if i prize block my friend, i dont get anything more out of it... if i dont prize block my friend, i get the same amount, but my friend gets more... so yea, no incentive to be competitive, quite the opposite, players doing the best they can from the cards they are given by the organizer, good job players... if you want different outcome, give them different cards But by stepping aside you are cheating the organiser/sponsor. I can understand wanting to do it, but if you are a proffesional player act proffesional. | ||
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Perscienter
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On December 22 2010 22:06 Sewi wrote: Do you really think that? Would be interesting to know if any major tournament like MLG, IEM, GSL has something like "no matchfixing allowed" written in their rules. Seriously, it is just disrespectful to do something like that. And imo it is kinda obvious that matchfixing is NOT allowed at ANY tournament. YES THEY DO !!! if a rule is not written you dont have to follow it, PERIOD weather you choose something from a moral standpoint is up to you | ||
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Crovea
Denmark100 Posts
I could easily see myself doing the same thing in their spot. perhaps not while streaming tho. | ||
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