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There are some reasons why parents don't invest as much time in e-sports as in regular sports:
1) E-sports didn't exist when they grew up and they are unfamiliar with it.
2) Sports often have a possitive effect on your body, e-sports don't.
3) You have a chance of making a living by getting good at sports. Starcrafts professionals often earn less than they would have done by working at McDonalds.
4) Time invested in e-sports by most people greatly exceeds the time invested in regular sports. You will never see a amateur football player play 4-8h a day, but in the e-sports community this is hardly something rare.
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Definitely not a waste of time. I've been to countless LAN parties, met epic people and in some cases made some close friends. Hardly a waste of time.
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a ball, I tried to argue with my friend that the mouse sometimes has a ball in it but he wouldn't accept it still :-/ so until the pro sc2 players can juggle and play sc2 it will convince the majority of people that its a legit sport
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The thing that separates eSports from sports is an electronic interface. The reason sports are encouraged while eSports is not is because sports usually fosters productive social interaction and personal health and fitness, while eSports usually is detrimental to social interaction (because of anonymity) and to personal health and fitness.
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i'm confused i didn't know that athletes trained all day though i know extremely little about sports i thought it was maybe 4 hr practice 4 hr physical training (at gym) at most during the season which is not really close to old bw pros does anyone know how much athletes from different sports train during season and off season? because i don't think it's comparable this may be complete ignorance on my part though this is all sc btw i have absolutely no idea how much people train for quake or cs
one of the arguments i hear that makes me want to pull out my hair is that you're not using your body therefore it's not a sport this bugs me so much i really think that playing sc at the top level is a lot harder then playing a sport at the top level because of the speed and endurance you need to have physically and mentally to compete, i also think that that's a ridiculous requirement for something to be called a sport.
I think that the reason people are so quick to damper on it or deny it's credibility is because of fear of the unknown everybody who actually has a clue about it regardless of if they like it or not have a hard time finding flaws in the theory that esports and sports are both equally legitimate. i say this because i have shown people and had long, long discussions with people explaining to them esports (or at least sc) these are people like my dad and friends who are not gamers but, once they know about it they see the 2 as equals. i think any person with a smigin of logic will see this once shown the light.
so i really think it's just about educating people in esports which is not an easy thing to do with everyone laughing and walking away from you because in this world it's so much easier for the simple minded to maintain their ignorance rather then be educated which is why i hate my generation.
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On December 15 2010 05:08 Enervate wrote:
The thing that separates eSports from sports is an electronic interface. The reason sports are encouraged while eSports is not is because sports usually fosters productive social interaction and personal health and fitness, while eSports usually is detrimental to social interaction (because of anonymity) and to personal health and fitness.
While these are broad generalizations, I'd agree they are mostly true. You can make friends playing games for sure but they are not likely to be the same kind of friendships you make by playing a team sport.
Fitness is also a big part of it. Being physically fit helps you in pretty much all aspects of your life, and is a byproduct of regular sports but not esports.
As time goes by I suspect esports will gain much more acceptance but at the same time I doubt it will ever rival real sports.
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A sport is an organized, competitive, entertaining, and skillful physical activity requiring commitment, strategy, and fair play, in which a winner can be defined by objective means.
That's the definition according to Wiki. I guess it comes down to interpretation. I'm not sure I'd consider StarCraft a physical activity, even if you technically move your fingers. In my opinion though, it doesn't matter much if something can be considered a sport or not. It's just a word, and to me at least, it doesn't give any more credibility to something. Something being "a sport" according to definition isn't an automatic guarantee that it's worth spending time on and vice versa.
Playing regular sports like soccer and hockey take a very different set of skills in my opinion, although part of the mental aspects might be comparable. I'd say StarCraft might have some things in common with poker and the strategic elements of mainstream sport, but it is also different in many ways from any sport that I know of. While most people might not have a lot of respect for "someone who is really good at StarCraft", there are definitely a lot of things you can learn from it that can carry over into a lot of things in life. I actually remember reading about an investment bank that was quite fond of hiring people with competitive backgrounds in either poker or Brood War.
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On December 15 2010 04:54 Aberu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 04:54 SmoKim wrote:On December 15 2010 04:52 Rabbet wrote:
One builds character, the other builds a basement lurking loser who can waste away their youths and go into adulthood filled with regrets. omg your so cool get lost Well if he was intending to personify how "parents" and "adults" see it, than he nailed it on the head.
If by "parents" and "adults" you mean Luddites with technophobia and no understanding of professional gaming, and by "personify" you mean "make a terrible troll post that insults everyone for no reason and contributes nothing to the thread", then you're absolutely correct!
OT, the e stands for electronic, so typically e-sports refer to video games rather than just plain games, many of which are also not classified as sports but are played professionally.
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On December 15 2010 05:10 Elevenst wrote:
i'm confused i didn't know that athletes trained all day though i know extremely little about sports i thought it was maybe 4 hr practice 4 hr physical training (at gym) at most during the season which is not really close to old bw pros does anyone know how much athletes from different sports train during season and off season? because i don't think it's comparable this may be complete ignorance on my part though this is all sc btw i have absolutely no idea how much people train for quake or cs
one of the arguments i hear that makes me want to pull out my hair is that you're not using your body therefore it's not a sport this bugs me so much i really think that playing sc at the top level is a lot harder then playing a sport at the top level because of the speed and endurance you need to have physically and mentally to compete, i also think that that's a ridiculous requirement for something to be called a sport.
It's literally all day. I'm not talking about high schoolers or anything, talking about pros. The regimen for a professional boxer is crazy. Wake 5am, training till 8, sleep till 10, training again till 9/10 with meals in between. Quite intense.
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On December 15 2010 05:14 eveo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 05:10 Elevenst wrote:
i'm confused i didn't know that athletes trained all day though i know extremely little about sports i thought it was maybe 4 hr practice 4 hr physical training (at gym) at most during the season which is not really close to old bw pros does anyone know how much athletes from different sports train during season and off season? because i don't think it's comparable this may be complete ignorance on my part though this is all sc btw i have absolutely no idea how much people train for quake or cs
one of the arguments i hear that makes me want to pull out my hair is that you're not using your body therefore it's not a sport this bugs me so much i really think that playing sc at the top level is a lot harder then playing a sport at the top level because of the speed and endurance you need to have physically and mentally to compete, i also think that that's a ridiculous requirement for something to be called a sport.
It's literally all day. I'm not talking about high schoolers or anything, talking about pros. The regimen for a professional boxer is crazy. Wake 5am, training till 8, sleep till 10, training again till 9/10 with meals in between. Quite intense.
thanks, i didn't know that so i guess boxing is quite equal how about other sports do you know those? i'm curious now.
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public respect / money involvement / spectator count. all three are linked and are the main reason
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The reason esports can't be taken seriously is because the image video games have. Games, mostly MMORPGs, have given video games this image of "sitting in your basement peeing in cups" because you are too into the game. It just has to do with how people are raised and conditioned to feel towards video games.
I think it would be awesome to have BW or SC2 on my TV, with the little ESPN logo on the bottom right corner, but I don't see that happening.
Also there are too many video games, how do you decide which becomes a sport? You can't really have a new esport every 3 years or so, it would lose its seriousness.
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Many people would buy a ticket to watch football.
Not many (relative) people would buy a ticket to watch a computer game.
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Sports: Tan lines
eSports: Monitor tan lines
Sports: Having increased stamina
eSports: Having increased bladder capacity
Sports: Being better than others at an activity
eSports: Thinking you're better than others in general
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On December 15 2010 05:04 Batch wrote:
There are some reasons why parents don't invest as much time in e-sports as in regular sports:
1) E-sports didn't exist when they grew up and they are unfamiliar with it.
2) Sports often have a possitive effect on your body, e-sports don't.
3) You have a chance of making a living by getting good at sports. Starcrafts professionals often earn less than they would have done by working at McDonalds.
4) Time invested in e-sports by most people greatly exceeds the time invested in regular sports. You will never see a amateur football player play 4-8h a day, but in the e-sports community this is hardly something rare.
Just want to point out that 4 isn't necessarily true.
Many athletes train incredible amounts to stay competitive, and unlike e-sports athletes this training also extends to other parts of life, such as their diets and exercise routines. While a SC2 player just has to make sure he plays lots of games if necessary, a, say, for example a gymnast, has to eat, train, and meticulously take care of her entire body and physical health.
The amount of training, success, and financial profit really depends more on the specific game/sport than on broad generalizations about all of e-sports and regular sports. Figure-skating, for example, is a sport that requires much more dedication than any video game possibly could.
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On the bright side, both are fun. Fun to do and fun to watch.
Also, If Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg would be playing a game, it would surely be Starcraft. So, another point is that people who play Starcraft have the potential of being billionaires. Right ?
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Generation isn't as much of a indicator. In my generation most of the people also don't understand esports. People just aren't used to it in general I'd say.
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On December 15 2010 04:52 Rabbet wrote:
One builds character, the other builds a basement lurking loser who can waste away their youths and go into adulthood filled with regrets.
User was warned for this post
I'm sure FD and NesTea are pretty regretful of their $80k.
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possible factor?:
Lots of sports are simple enough that you don't have to know all the rules to enjoy watching them. esport is more knowledge based, if you don't know what the units do for example, you'd be staring at the screen confused. So you end up with a smaller audience.
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I can answer this! Sports is a physically draining activity, while e-sports is more of a mentally draining activity. Ive never heard of someone being sore from pwning newbs online.
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