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On December 15 2010 05:07 aka_star wrote:
a ball, I tried to argue with my friend that the mouse sometimes has a ball in it but he wouldn't accept it still :-/ so until the pro sc2 players can juggle and play sc2 it will convince the majority of people that its a legit sport
so true now that i look at it. all major sports in the world uses a ball(hockey uses a puck but same concept). Look @ basketball,american football, football, tennis, golf, cricket, ping pong and rugby.
Either a ball or physical contact. Look at K-2, MMA, and boxing.
Then there are the minor sports like rowing and w/e.
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real sports also dont have forums full of people whining and crying about the "balance of the game".
Since its based on skills and human limitation. Imagine if tennis nets/courts were adjusted every month. It would not be a legitimate sport.
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real sports also dont have forums full of people whining and crying about the "balance of the game".
Since its based on skills and human limitation. Imagine if tennis nets/courts were adjusted every month. It would not be a legitimate sport.
Sports get adjusted all the time, example look at hockey. 2 line pass, hitting from behind, tons of goal crease changes, stick sizes. People shoot off about refs all the time. In every non northamerican country people have massive brawls after the game. They go and pound the piss out of each other. I think a bit of esports flamming is acceptable.
Good try though, thanks for your hard work.
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On December 17 2010 08:57 Liquid_Adun wrote:Show nested quote +real sports also dont have forums full of people whining and crying about the "balance of the game".
Since its based on skills and human limitation. Imagine if tennis nets/courts were adjusted every month. It would not be a legitimate sport. Sports get adjusted all the time, example look at hockey. 2 line pass, hitting from behind, tons of goal crease changes, stick sizes. People shoot off about refs all the time. In every non northamerican country people have massive brawls after the game. They go and pound the piss out of each other. I think a bit of esports flamming is acceptable. Good try though, thanks for your hard work.
When these changes happen they are deliberated and the people playing the game accept it and adjust. It also has a lot less of an effect on the game because physical conditioning can overcome most obstacles.
Most of the brawls are fans who are angry and upset that their team lost. Not the players going out and saying that "Oh yeah man, if the goal size was smaller we would of won".
BW for example has been stable in terms of balance for years, this is part of the reason it was able to grow into such a huge sport in Korea.
Esports takes legitimate skills, but it will have trouble being accepted mainstream due to the lack the physical aspect.
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When these changes happen they are deliberated and the people playing the game accept it and adjust. It also has a lot less of an effect on the game because physical conditioning can overcome most obstacles.
Seeing that your from america ill let this one slide, Up here in canada we eat hockey pucks and children are born with hockey sticks. The 2 line pass cause chaotic backlash between northamerican hockey players and the rest of the world. As far as fighting goes and physical contact rules go. I would expect that there would be some complaints in the NBA in they made basket ball a full contact sport. It wouldnt be just the fans complaining. Players argue in game to the refs all the time.
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On December 17 2010 08:53 Seide wrote:
real sports also dont have forums full of people whining and crying about the "balance of the game".
Since its based on skills and human limitation. Imagine if tennis nets/courts were adjusted every month. It would not be a legitimate sport.
instead of forums, it's newspaper for sports (see FIFA)
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You guys realize that BW pro's are required to work-out to maintain their mental and physical health? It's actually pretty important to stay healthy. Playing any game will always benefit from being healthy. Ever wondered why the majority of top players in SC don't look unhealthy? Looks don't define health either, so if you take a minute to take a gander at some top players with open eyes you may be surprised at what you see.
eSports don't lack in the health departments, gamers are generally just too lazy to care about themselves. Especially casual gamers. eSports does promote health and increased mental faculties. eSports, however, does not promote excessive muscle building. People confuse health with body building too often, I feel. There is no linear progression of health as you gain muscle.
For those of you who don't work out and still play SC, remember you're not classified as even an amateur player. Amateur doesn't mean sucks, it means you're not on a wage but still compete for prize money. You're likely a casual player, like myself. Casual sports don't promote health much either. Especially when you consider the amount of injuries that stem from them. Most casual sport play only helps with your cardiovascular muscles signficantly. It's the activity that most atheletic individuals incorporate into the rest of their day that tends to make a healthy individual.
Also, this whole eSports makes you less social while Sports makes you more social is a pretty big pile of bullshit. I've been quite an atheletic individual in my life and grew up with a bunch of athletic friends in high school and college. They're mostly bricks. Both socially and mentally.
Sports do little to promote social skills. Atheletes are not commonly the nicest people around. I certainly don't remember any atheletes being great at speeches in my speech class, being good at keeping a group entertained, or all that good with talking to women. Most of them are actually quite bad at it, if women is what you're implying with social skills. For the casual "athelete" (I don't like applying that word to casuals, but w/e) that you see running around your HS/College they'll likely have the social skills of Beer/Muscle/Penis. Hardly any better than your average basement bunkered eSports casual.
It's pretty simple. People who take the initiative to be healthy or social will be. Likely at a low cost to their time, too. eSports/Sports will barely impact either of those traits in a person. At the very high end of the spectrum where people actually become professional it's basically a requirement to be both sociable (to some degree) and healthy for both eSports and Sports.
Btw, if you think raging/BM is limited to the online world you REALLY need to get out of your bubble and meet people.
So what's the difference between eSports and Sports. Like some others have said, it is the letter "e". That's it. In the end, all sports are just games. In that same sense, all games can be sports. It's just a matter of professionalism and money.
PS: July is the only one who breaks the limits of reality. He is the one with the power. The power to roll.
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Go lookup the recognised sports by the Olympic Committee: here
I see ballroom dancing. Ballroom dancing is literally a sport, why? I'm glad you asked...
Medical research has shown that Dancesport is comparable with other sporting activities such as basketball, squash and cross country running with dancers performing at over 80% of their maximum oxygen consumption level and burning up at least 300 calories per hour (Blanksby & Reidy, 1988). A typical competition requires dancers to be dancing throughout the day for 10 hours, and to be recalled through a number of rounds, before reaching the final. During the final they may have to dance up to all 5 of the dances in their discipline back to back, being able to take the exertion while making it appear effortless.
It seems the definition of sport goes along the line of being physically challenging/demanding. ANYTHING that follows this can be labeled a sport. I don't see why 1v1 breakdancing battle competitions wouldn't be recognized as an Olympic sport either lol. By definition and Starcrafts nature, I don't think it will be accepted literally as a sport as it doesn't meet the requirements.
Sorry guys! Startcraft is NOT a sport.
Having said that. Starcraft is an eSport. eSports is recognised as competitive electronic games that range over many different genres such as first person shooting to RTS. Check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esport
eSports as seen on the wiki page, looks just like the Olympic recognized sports page. They both have governing bodies (TeamLiquid is listed as a Governing Body/eSport Association for global eSports BUJAH!) and both have different disciplines (rowing, shooting olympic sports / Starcraft, Counterstrike eSports)
What seperates eSports from sports? As many have said time and time again, it's the physical side. So embrace your eSports! As eSport is not some bastard term of sports. It actually describes a large community, which we are on right now (TL.net).
eSports even has whats like a global governing body like the olympic committee. The International eSports Federation here: IeSF which was founded by 9 national e-Sports associations in August 11, 2008. As soon as everyone jumps onbaord with this, or a better one is made. eSports will be just as recognized as Olympic sports. (sure maybe not as respected, but recognized none the less).
Also 1st TL post. I can say bastard when used in context right? 
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It seems the definition of sport goes along the line of being physically challenging/demanding. ANYTHING that follows this can be labeled a sport.
Also 1st TL post. I can say bastard when used in context right?
Sure you can, doesnt mean your point is any more valid. I think competition is the big part of what makes a sport. Child birth is physically challenging/demanding, is that a sport?
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TL is listed as a governing body of eSports. Oh man, haha. That's just golden. I'm sorry, but that just cracks me up.
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It's mostly a generational thing. Your parents didn't grow up with it so it's wrong in their minds.
Along with the media shedding a bad light on gaming and brainwashing people about it.
On the subject of physical exertion, true, you're not running around for an hour. However, a lot of people probably get a rather increased heart rate. Sustaining that for hours, can burn up quite a bit of energy and be a fair substitute. With the obvious exception of the muscle gain. I'm sure this would only be amplified once playing in tournaments.
I get the same thing. I recently moved back in with the olds, due to a harpy woman for a housemate. Anyway, I like to sit down and play some SC2 or Battlefield or something with my mates for a few hours after work. This apparently accounts for an "addiction" according to my dad.
Because apparently sitting on my ass watching mindless TV, is much better than playing something that requires thought and effort, and reaction times, hand speeds, accuracy etc, as SC2 or BF, with my friends...
Aaaaaaaaanyway, back to the main point. I think a lot of parents and people around that generation. Would look more highly on simply bouncing a ball against a wall for hours, than anything related to video games.
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Sports don't change. You don't see the update patch or the sequel to baseball that changes all the rules and the strategy. It has been the same for generations, so it has been perfected to an art-like form. When you see games come and go within years, it's hard to keep up or get serious into gaming, because the game that you have perfected...is going to be replaced in 2 weeks.
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TLDR: I made 0 long term friends in sports, I made many great friends and had much better time playing video games competitively. You should do what you love. Slow down and enjoy life, you only live once.
I might be an exception to the rule, but I played sports until I was 15. I mostly played hockey, but I also played at least a season of Soccer, Baseball, Basketball etc in my youth. The usual thing, my mom signed me up with the local parks and rec programs etc.. you played a season, usually 2 practices a week, then a game, then a final tournament, . I spent a lot of time playing/practicing with my teams/ by myself. I won the "league tournament" was even offered a spot on a traveling Hockey Team. I don't feel like I accomplished much, anything that I learned about team work was basic at most..
I have 0 life long friends from my sports experiences, and consider them mostly meh. Hockey was fun, and I enjoyed it, but my High School Hockey experiences were mediocre at best, and even though I was good I was never really good or anything.
I have been playing competitive video games since I was 13. I have been to lans, traveled, etc. While I have won nothing larger than 200$, I feel like I have come a long way. I am absolutely terrible at starcraft, and have no dreams of being really good. I have never played 12 hours a day or anything, but I do enjoy playing and watching a ton. I feel so bad for people out there that don't do the thing they love to do. If you have a dream, go for it. If you have fun doing something go for it. This fucking capitalist society that I live in, where if your not working, you should be working. And then you should die, is so freaking dumb, it's ridiculous. People need to slow down and enjoy life. If that means you want to play 24 hours a day, that's fine with me. It's not my place to judge you and say, you should go get a career, cause that's not for everyone. If you have fun doing what your doing, do it.. You only live once. I still talk to my friends that I made playing competitive video games. I still go and visit them in other states, even though our interests and lives have taken us other ways... to say that I got nothing from video games is like saying I don't get energy from eating food. My team mates from my halo days taught me 5000x more about team work and life than any sport ever did. I learned more about life from video games than any of those real life sports I played.
My step fathers best experience of his life was when he picked up, quit his job, went to Hawaii, backpacked all over the place for 4 months and had a awesome time. He died this year of a heart attack at the age of 47. Someone at the reception was trying to tell me about how awful that was and how he had to beg for his job back when he got back, and how he gave up all this crap that lets face it, didn't matter in the end. What mattered was that he had the best time of his life, and he loved telling me about it, and talking about it, and how he wished he could take us all there and share those experiences with us. The fact is we lived comfortably off this job that was never the same for a long time, and to my step dad it was worth it. You don't take time to enjoy life, than what the fuck is the point of working and building a life for yourself? I know people that died that never retired, or slowed down, and who hated their jobs and lives. I just don't understand why they did it.
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On December 17 2010 09:28 Liquid_Adun wrote:Show nested quote + It seems the definition of sport goes along the line of being physically challenging/demanding. ANYTHING that follows this can be labeled a sport.
Also 1st TL post. I can say bastard when used in context right? Sure you can, doesnt mean your point is any more valid. I think competition is the big part of what makes a sport. Child birth is physically challenging/demanding, is that a sport?
Well if you can ultrasound the baby. Estimate its weight and so on and make rules/judgement on those variables with points given (bigger baby, more points). Whoever births it faster and keeps their heart rate on average lower wins. Thats competition. Sounds silly, but prove me wrong?
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Well if you can ultrasound the baby. Estimate its weight and so on and make rules/judgement on those variables with points given (bigger baby, more points). Whoever births it faster and keeps their heart rate on average lower wins. Thats competition. Sounds silly, but prove me wrong?
What about people who give birth to twins, are premature births op? Smaller baby slip out faster.
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The difference is one of natural logic. Games are not sports. Sports require athletic, physical activity. Games do not
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The difference is one of natural logic. Games are not sports. Sports require athletic, physical activity. Games do not
Anything can be classed as a sport as long as there is competition involved. To be an offical sport you need popular support.
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Day9 #100, get your dad to watch that.
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Don't wanna be that guy, but I see a lot of posts here that people that had played sports would never make. I'm not saying anything is wrong with that, but those who have played sports at a high level, and have also played "eSports" will know the difference, and know why eSports is not culturally accepted.
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On December 17 2010 09:47 Liquid_Adun wrote:Show nested quote +Well if you can ultrasound the baby. Estimate its weight and so on and make rules/judgement on those variables with points given (bigger baby, more points). Whoever births it faster and keeps their heart rate on average lower wins. Thats competition. Sounds silly, but prove me wrong? What about people who give birth to twins, are premature births op? Smaller baby slip out faster.
I know where you're coming from Adun, my point is that sports are sports and esports are esports. They are both similar but both very different and we should not mix the two because they are different and can stand alone independantly. eSports doesn't need to try and be a sport because it has merit in itself already. But I agree, premature births, totally OP.
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