EPTWhat seperates eSports from Sports? - Page 14
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TheGiftedApe
United States1243 Posts
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Defeat
United States476 Posts
On December 17 2010 03:08 TheBanana wrote: That's not true. Sports are easy to follow when you already understand them. There is a reason American football hasn't caught on in Europe and it is not because it isn't an awesome sport. It's because most people don't understand it enough and blows it off with prejudice. Why give it a chance when you already "know" that it sucks? I don't believe that is why. IMO You only got half of your post correct. The reason they blow it off is because certain sports are more predominate in some areas of the world. See soccer vs football in america and europe. | ||
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Proximo
38 Posts
On December 17 2010 10:47 TheGiftedApe wrote: physical athletic ability. It's not the same as good hand eye coordination/mental ability. Same reason skipping rocks isnt a sport. lol exactly I can't believe this thread has 14 pages. Some people are really having trouble differentiating games and hobbies from sports. Sports are athletic competitions played by athletes. Video games don't require athletics. And, FYI, this debate is nothing new. People have been trying to argue that professional Bass Fishing (which is 100x larger then eSports and and also requires coordination, endurance, tactics, etc,.) is also sport, when in fact it's simply a competitive game/hobby just like gaming. Basically, any activity where you can smoke a pack of cigarettes and put a back a few beers while still competing at the highest level is hardly a sport. | ||
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eggs
1011 Posts
On December 17 2010 11:13 Proximo wrote: Basically, any activity where you can smoke a pack of cigarettes and put a back a few beers while still competing at the highest level is hardly a sport. so baseball isn't a sport? or golf? and using your own definition, the a competitive bass fisher who is intoxicated and/or restricted cardiovascular potential will not do as well a sober one, so bass fishing is a sport. the same goes for bowling, nascar, darts, billiards, and poker. Mark Sanchez snacked on a concession stand hot dog during an NFL game. does that mean Football is hardly a sport? | ||
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Rodregeus
Australia126 Posts
On December 17 2010 10:38 Demarini wrote: Don't wanna be that guy, but I see a lot of posts here that people that had played sports would never make. I'm not saying anything is wrong with that, but those who have played sports at a high level, and have also played "eSports" will know the difference, and know why eSports is not culturally accepted. I played very competitive soccer, indoor soccer, and a bgit of rugby, for a good 15 years. I would agree with a lot of the posts here and in no way would say that they are made by "people that haven't played sports". Basically, any activity where you can smoke a pack of cigarettes and put a back a few beers while still competing at the highest level is hardly a sport. Darts. I don't believe that is why. IMO You only got half of your post correct. The reason they blow it off is because certain sports are more predominate in some areas of the world. See soccer vs football in america and europe. I didn't like American football until I understood the rules and now I like it a lot. As for it being more predominant, that is generally due to what came first in that country, with a side of "is that country good at it". Society accepts what it knows, sports came before eSports, therefor it has had a lot of time to become engrained in society and become accepted. Along with being the "norm". eSports is relatively new, especially in western culture. Give it time until gen x and y are running this shit, and I think you will start to see change. It's societys way of working. It really has nothing to do with sports at all, it's purely because it's new, and foriegn to the majority of of society. Same thing with Homosexuality. Just give it time, and like a poster above said, show people Day[9] #100.  | ||
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Proximo
38 Posts
On December 17 2010 11:19 eggs wrote: so baseball isn't a sport? or golf? and using your own definition, the a competitive bass fisher who is intoxicated and/or restricted cardiovascular potential will not do as well a sober one, so bass fishing is a sport. the same goes for bowling, nascar, darts, billiards, and poker. I've never seen a professional baseball players or golfers drink beers and smoke 25 cigarettes during a game. And, for the record I don't think golf is sport, baseball barely is. Bass Fishing? Friend does it professionally for a living and smoking and the odd beer has zero effect. "restricted cardiovascular potential" - lol good one Bowling, darts, billiards, and poker are all games that have been around well before eSports and went through this a same debate. They were never considered sports and the people that play them were never considered athletes. They are games. There is difference between games and sports which people seem to be confusing. This isn't a criticism, or make one worse then the other, it's simply a fact. | ||
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Rodregeus
Australia126 Posts
On December 17 2010 11:30 Proximo wrote: Bowling, darts, billiards, and poker are all games that have been around well before eSports and went through this a same debate. They were never considered sports and the people that play them were never considered athletes. They are games. There is difference between games and sports which people seem to be confusing. This isn't a criticism, or make one worse then the other, it's simply a fact. Actually, darts is considered a sport, and those that play it as athletes. | ||
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Proximo
38 Posts
On December 17 2010 11:50 Rodregeus wrote: Actually, darts is considered a sport, and those that play it as athletes. ![[image loading]](http://readitordont.com/dosfactotum/comics/2009/11/078fordham2_468x4692.jpg) | ||
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Rodregeus
Australia126 Posts
I never said they were fit. Your terrible picture rebuttal did nothing to help you. In fact, if anything, it helps me. Think about it and perhaps you will realize why. | ||
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Proximo
38 Posts
On December 17 2010 12:00 Rodregeus wrote: I never said they were fit. Your terrible picture rebuttal did nothing to help you. In fact, if anything, it helps me. Think about it and perhaps you will realize why. lol, what is there to rebut? Sad to say, but I stopped taking you seriously when you began gushing about the worldview of society, homosexuality, gen x , gen y, and western culture in relations to eSports  I truly wish you the best of luck my friend, and hopefully one day western society will see the light and judge all WoW, starcraft, etc, players for the true athletes they are. | ||
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Liquid_Adun
Canada205 Posts
I truly wish you the best of luck my friend, and hopefully one day western society will see the light and judge all WoW, starcraft, etc, players for the true athletes they are. Casual gamers are not athletes. Those that train and play competitively are. Playing catch with a baseball does not make me an athlete. Hoping this thread would die already, Adun  | ||
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
On December 15 2010 04:49 eveo wrote: "he builds dingy little robots online for the majority of his time, and when he doesn't he sleeps. IM NOT EVEN TERRAN." I liked this part  btw, last time I checked, only Protoss had Robotics bays. Obviously, you play Protoss | ||
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Proximo
38 Posts
On December 17 2010 12:21 DisaFear wrote: I liked this part btw, last time I checked, only Protoss had Robotics bays. Obviously, you play Protoss So aren't probes and immortals 'little robots' ?' His dad was right all along | ||
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Glasse
Canada1237 Posts
On December 17 2010 11:13 Proximo wrote: Poker is considered a sport. How is the most luck based game, which requires no physical training at all, considered a sport? I feel like your definition isn't right. | ||
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0mgVitaminE
United States1278 Posts
On December 17 2010 11:30 Proximo wrote: I've never seen a professional baseball players or golfers drink beers and smoke 25 cigarettes during a game. And, for the record I don't think golf is sport, baseball barely is. I would rather not go off topic, but how do you support this? Golf is arguably the most technically difficult game in the world, and those that are good at it have spent countless hours practicing. In order to really succeed, you have to have godly amounts of determination. I won't even bring up baseball. I hope you were joking about that one. | ||
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MusiK
United States302 Posts
Sports can benefit someone who just does it purely for the fun of it naturally because you're getting active and doing your body good. Even if you play a dumb game like 'horse', you get some exercise out of it. On the other hand, with eSports, playing 4v4 BGH will, in all honesty and you all know it, get you nowhere. Now, it WILL be fun and will prove to be entertaining, but it will have no beneficial value beyond that while playing 'horse' can be beneficial health-wise and entertainment wise. But if you take eSports to another level where you are actively thinking, participating, and studying the game, you will benefit in hand/eye coordination as well as being able to react, think, and make good decisions; even in real life! Don't really expect for your gaming to be taken too seriously until you invest yourself into it. Play the game with intellect and intention, and your actions and behaviors will naturally show the benefits of playing the game. | ||
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Rodregeus
Australia126 Posts
On December 17 2010 12:14 Proximo wrote: lol, what is there to rebut? Sad to say, but I stopped taking you seriously when you began gushing about the worldview of society, homosexuality, gen x , gen y, and western culture in relations to eSports I truly wish you the best of luck my friend, and hopefully one day western society will see the light and judge all WoW, starcraft, etc, players for the true athletes they are. That's alright, because you clearly are not the smartest person in this thread. Not even close. By the way, pretty sure I never mentioned "world view". I'm sorry that I made this discussion too complicated for you by exceeding the "gamers are fat and real sports use a ball" route it seemed to be going with you. I'll let you get back to your box now. EDIT: On December 17 2010 12:42 MusiK wrote: I think it depends on how involved you are in it. Sports can benefit someone who just does it purely for the fun of it naturally because you're getting active and doing your body good. Even if you play a dumb game like 'horse', you get some exercise out of it. On the other hand, with eSports, playing 4v4 BGH will, in all honesty and you all know it, get you nowhere. Now, it WILL be fun and will prove to be entertaining, but it will have no beneficial value beyond that while playing 'horse' can be beneficial health-wise and entertainment wise. But if you take eSports to another level where you are actively thinking, participating, and studying the game, you will benefit in hand/eye coordination as well as being able to react, think, and make good decisions; even in real life! Don't really expect for your gaming to be taken too seriously until you invest yourself into it. Play the game with intellect and intention, and your actions and behaviors will naturally show the benefits of playing the game. First, I don't think anyone was saying 4v4 BGH was eSports lol. Secondly, that statement can apply to sports as well, sure, you can go a play sports, but if you don't put much effort in you're not going to get much, if any, physical exertion, skin cancer maybe. I remember plenty of games of soccer, where even in a proper season I did almost no running the entire game, more because the ball was never over my way (Defense brah ) so i kinda had nothing to do. :/Not to mention even on a casual level games like SC2 can be beneficial, generally mentally though. However reaction speed, awareness, management, etc can come into it. Hell, it can even help people to learn other languages, or even their own language better, which is a nice bonus. | ||
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Xanczor
United States254 Posts
On December 15 2010 07:10 Fa1nT wrote: One of them has thousands of years of establishment, the other has less than 20. eSports will explode in the next 50 years. Humans are no longer as primitive as they once were and can seek competition in non-physical ways Very good point. I just wish i was born a generation later. | ||
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Proximo
38 Posts
On December 17 2010 12:46 Rodregeus wrote: That's alright, because you clearly are not the smartest person in this thread. Not even close. By the way, pretty sure I never mentioned "world view". I'm sorry that I made this discussion too complicated for you by exceeding the "gamers are fat and real sports use a ball" route it seemed to be going with you. I'll let you get back to your box now. My friend, I'm deeply saddened and insulted by these personal attacks, especially after I wished you all the best in your athletic endeavors.  And to clarify, your central argument was that eSports aren't recognized as true sports becasue of 'society; which is in fact a criticism on the 'worldview' of the society i.e. Definition of Worldview: the fundamental cognitive orientation of an individual or society encompassing natural philosophy; fundamental existential and normative postulates. You obviously you missed this with your busy schedule (training, being the smartest guy on teh internet, etc,.) so I'll let it slide this time. Now that I've cleared things up for you I demand an apology. I'll even give you another chance and take your posts seriously again. | ||
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BROotogy
Eritrea149 Posts
On December 17 2010 13:03 Xanczor wrote: Very good point. I just wish i was born a generation later. Bad point. How is seeking competition in a physical way a bad thing? It keeps you in shape, humans are MADE to be active, and sports hardly primitive. I would rather live in a world of football players then in a world of SC2 junkies. | ||
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