EPTWhat seperates eSports from Sports? - Page 12
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MahatmaSC2
United States192 Posts
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Gimpb
293 Posts
From my personal experience, having spent quite a bit of time playing organized sports and playing organized games, I don't think the benefits of games stack up to those of sports at this point. That's not to say they never will, but not yet. Your parents just want what's best for you and based on the temperment of your post, I wouldn't be surprised if they're starting to draw a correlation between your attitude and games. Is it possible this looks more like addition than dedication to them? | ||
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Liquid_Adun
Canada205 Posts
Sports have a long history and have developed a reputation for fostering virtues such as fitness, work ethic, social skills, etc. Games don't have such a reputation; they may or may not develop it in time but it doesn't seem to have such obvious benefits so I wouldn't count on it being seen comparably any time soon. The main difference between sports and esports is like people in an election for high school president. Usually the most popular(hottest) person wins even though they are not the best suited for the job. This is pretty much how esports are in North America. Esports is like that nerd trying to run against the popular jock. The nerd would probably be 10x the president but doesn't have a chance. Nice post, Adun  | ||
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whomybuddy
United States620 Posts
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
From a spectators point of view nothing but prejudice. I find it funny that both SC2 and NFL has been described as chess on steroids. As a player...depends on the sport. An amateur athlete is no more productive with his time than an amateur gamer. | ||
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Defeat
United States476 Posts
-Sports are extremely easy to follow which is why they are huge. More people = more sponsors = more prize money. Esports can only get as big as their own player-base, so to say, because of how hard they can be to follow. In order to get more viewers a game needs to be simple enough for people who don't play it to understand it and it needs to reward aggression more(imo). Most esports reward safe play which is rather boring for most people to watch. Take Quake 3 and/or Live for example: Most of the game is people taking potshots and grabbing armors at a high level. No real action goes on. This is the same with CS where people will sit for most of the round waiting for someone on the other team to make a mistake. Starcraft is a bit better in these aspects because you can be more aggressive at higher levels where people have high levels of multi-tasking. As of now I see SC2 and Halo 3/Reach as being the best esports for people outside of gaming to follow. This is based upon having large a large playerbase and being fairly easy to follow. | ||
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
On December 17 2010 02:50 Defeat wrote: -Sports are extremely easy to follow which is why they are huge. That's not true. Sports are easy to follow when you already understand them. There is a reason American football hasn't caught on in Europe and it is not because it isn't an awesome sport. It's because most people don't understand it enough and blows it off with prejudice. Why give it a chance when you already "know" that it sucks? Another example of a huge sport that needs knowledge before it translates into fun is proffesional cycling. | ||
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Liquid_Adun
Canada205 Posts
Hope that adds some flavor, Adun | ||
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neosaviour
United States12 Posts
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HarryHood
United States105 Posts
Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on starcraft or any game, I just donlt see how anybody could consider it a sport. Sports are physical games played by athletes, starcraft is not, it's a compotition. Look at poker, nobody's calling it a sport but it's still on espn. Esports need to find a new name IMO. | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
Also, eSports is kind of going against millenia of olympian-type activities that reward players for their physical condition as opposed to their mental state. eSports is an extremely new concept and it trying to squeeze it's way in with years of traditional sports. | ||
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DayJP
Brazil477 Posts
i couldnt disagree more. sports are supposed to be about athleticism, strenght, conditioning, cardio, pain, body technique, tactics and competition. e-sports and the forementioned stuff have somethings in common but... they're not sports...yet =) | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On December 17 2010 05:20 DayJP wrote: ppl say chess, automobilism, poker and some other board games are "sports" i couldnt disagree more. sports are supposed to be about athleticism, strenght, conditioning, cardio, pain, body technique, tactics and competition. e-sports and the forementioned stuff have somethings in common but... they're not sports...yet =) Huh, no, sports is all about competition, tatics, and training/effort. Even if training/effort doesnt envolve strength, pain, etc, its still effort put into something. We should label things like p-Sports and e-Sports from now on, imo, where 'p' is physical. | ||
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Silmakuoppaanikinko
799 Posts
On December 15 2010 04:52 Bluetea wrote: Chess?eSports = electronic, on a screen usually Sports = IRL, using your body, etc. I mean, even chess professionals play against the computer in show matches on a screen, and chess is wildly considered a sport. e-sports are mind sports basically. One thing though that I feel does separate them from other sports in practice is that they are 'owned', sports are in the public domain usually, no one has the intellectual rights to football and the copyright thereof. Some company usually does posses the intellectual control of some sport, and one could argue that this is bad for sports in general. Imagine if chess was owned by someone who charged you 50 eur for a 'chess account' you needed to play it, and systematically ensued legal action against any third person manufacturer of chess boards and other chess stuff, that's basically what's happening in e-sports. | ||
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RinconH
United States512 Posts
On December 15 2010 05:21 Achilles wrote: Sports: Tan lines eSports: Monitor tan lines Sports: Having increased stamina eSports: Having increased bladder capacity Sports: Being better than others at an activity eSports: Thinking you're better than others in general LMAO. Honestly, they aren't really comparable on a person level. Sports make you healthier, promote teamwork and build lasting relationships. E-Sports make you less healthy. 8 hours a day is an unhealthy amount of time to be devoting to anything (except sleep) IMO. Even professional athletes don't train that much. | ||
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RinconH
United States512 Posts
On December 17 2010 04:55 HarryHood wrote: I think one of the biggest road block in getting eSports big in the USA is that they call it a sport. Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on starcraft or any game, I just donlt see how anybody could consider it a sport. Sports are physical games played by athletes, starcraft is not, it's a compotition. Look at poker, nobody's calling it a sport but it's still on espn. Esports need to find a new name IMO. That's a good point. I think the majority will automatically want to tear down "E-Sports" because its name. There should be a rebranding. "Professional Gaming" sounds fine to me... but not as catchy. | ||
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KingAce
United States471 Posts
In physical sports (some consider poker to be a sport) your physical attributes as well as skill determine the outcome. Now depending on the game, the weather or the referee could change the outcome but overall physical sports are balanced and therefore entertaining. Starcraft BW was considered balanced, and a very deep game. The game also has several physically demanding mechanics. That difficulty made the game entertaining to watch. Also the fact that the barrier between average player and the pro was vast, added similarities with sports. If chess or poker can be considered a sport, I think BW has the same right to be considered as such. It's very balanced, intellectually and physically demanding; has many factors to drive spectators interests. So as far BW is concerned, it's a sport in my opinion. SC2 is just an esport. The game isn't balanced. It's depth is lacking in comparison with it's predecessor. In terms of spectatorship especially during large battles, it's difficult to follow because of the emphasis on death animations. A large number of the changes in SC2 are there for it to sell as a game to the average consumer, not for the purpose of esports. For the growth of Esports blizz took a step back in SC2, to make the game friendlier thus selling more copies. | ||
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Chance55
United States55 Posts
On December 17 2010 04:55 HarryHood wrote: I think one of the biggest road block in getting eSports big in the USA is that they call it a sport. Don't get me wrong, I'm not hating on starcraft or any game, I just donlt see how anybody could consider it a sport. Sports are physical games played by athletes, starcraft is not, it's a compotition. Look at poker, nobody's calling it a sport but it's still on espn. Esports need to find a new name IMO. I agree. I've played my fair share of video games, but whenever i hear video games given a description with the word "sport" involved, my first instinct is to laugh. On December 17 2010 06:12 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote: ... I mean, even chess professionals play against the computer in show matches on a screen, and chess is wildly considered a sport. ... What??? Are there really countries that consider chess a sport? I feel confident that if I asked every single person I knew (USA) not one would say that chess is a sport. That being said, I will agree parents are probably going to be much happier about lots of chess than lots of starcraft, even though in many ways they are very similar. | ||
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
e-sports = electronic competition. Instead of using our physical bodies to be the components of the game, usually a program/IP is used. most sports dont utilize a computer program... instead they just use an idea aided by various equipments... whereas a computer program is not solely an equipment or an idea... There's little difference in the infrastructure of e-sports/sports. It's just the matters of IP. | ||
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
On December 17 2010 03:08 TheBanana wrote: That's not true. Sports are easy to follow when you already understand them. There is a reason American football hasn't caught on in Europe and it is not because it isn't an awesome sport. It's because most people don't understand it enough and blows it off with prejudice. Why give it a chance when you already "know" that it sucks? Another example of a huge sport that needs knowledge before it translates into fun is proffesional cycling. I've tried really hard but I dont have an idea what baseball is about. | ||
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