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On December 15 2010 12:46 piskooooo wrote:
To the average person, seeing a giant dude catch a football is more appealing than seeing a skinny dude click some buttons and press some keys.
It's depressing but true.
>? im pretty sure we see epic sci fi battles where every action is life or death, unless you found a stream which just stares at the progamer in their seat, well than yeah that would be less appealing, and creepy.
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What separates Esports from Sports?
A) The medium of which both are played.
B) One is 100% required upon technology to be viable.
C) Some sports have been played for thousands of years, games are lucky to reach a 1000 day life.
D) Gamer stigma.
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After seeing the posts on the first page, I'm not going to bother reading the rest if the pages.
The main difference between eSports and Sports that I see is how training works. When training for Starcraft, all you have to do is practice Starcraft. In any other sport, you spend half your training time working out, jogging, skipping, etc. You need to build your physical build and train for the sport at the same time with sports, but with esports, since you can't feasibly train your intelligence, you spend all your time practicing the game instead.
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greater risk for insomnia, back pain, wrist pain, eye strain, vitamin d deficiency. and hemorrhoids.
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... and hemorrhoids
Dude.... TMI..
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eSports ruins your circadian rhythms and fosters ADD and late-night masturbation. or that's at least my experience ! =[
in all seriousness if curling can be televised so can fucking starcraft -_-
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On December 15 2010 18:02 Vei wrote:
eSports ruins your circadian rhythms and fosters ADD and late-night masturbation. or that's at least my experience ! =[
in all seriousness if curling can be televised so can fucking starcraft -_-
/thread. Pretty much, I'm pretty sure people who don't even know what StarCraft is rather watch SC than curling. ANYTHING is better.
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On December 15 2010 05:40 ashaman771 wrote:
If starcraft is a sport, so are board games, billiards, darts, etc. None of these are sports.
Actually you will find, darts, pool, snooker are sports... with HUGE cash winnings and big TV audiences. Maybe not in Canada.. but other countries.
Snooker as an example does a tour with hundreds of tournaments of various sizes per year, so there's plenty of money around the tour, but then the world championship.
1st Place £250,0000
2nd Place £125,0000
semi's £52,0000
quarters £24,000
last 16 £12000
last 32 £8000
last 62 £4600
Highest break is something like 100,000, and if you get the maximum break of 147, you get £147,000 twice what the winner of GSL makes.. and you could get beaten in the first round and still walk away with that money.
How I wish Starcraft could make Snookers numbers in terms of tournaments, cash prizes, sponsers and TV coverage. But that will never happen if people continually shit all over E-sports. You don't need to be athletic to play these sports, but they are seem as acceptable everywhere they are played. So what is different about starcraft and other E-sports? well we have to make them acceptable don't we. Same as poker, same as chess, same as darts/snooker.
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The discussion what makes a sport or not is uninteresting, but I will refer to athletic activity as sports, and starcraft and games as esports.
I would say there are several factors to why esports are not considered a viable choice of career. First off, it isn't a viable career for most of us. It is just a pastime, an easily accessible pastime. If you have to rationalize sitting hours at the computer by saying things such as "this requires fast decision making to be good at" and "I train my multitasking", perhaps you should try doing something else once in a while. In my experience not many casual practitioners of sports do it, or justify doing it, by referring to the extreme elite. It simply makes them feel good, they have fun doing it and it hopefully makes their clothes fit a little better. A problem for games here is the natural time limit existing in physical activities but not in gaming.
Secondly, it is the society in general and the young age of esports. This has been discussed extensively in this thread and earlier ones. It is a big part of the explanation I believe, and it will change as the old people die, and the young grow up. Also I believe feelings is a big part of this point. When you are physically drained it is much easier to show your feelings. A winner falling down on the finish line in a combination of tears, exhaustion and happiness makes a bigger impression than a gamer giving a gentle smile as his opponent GGs. This is not true in all situations, but it is how I conceive it in general.
Concerning the pro level, I have full admiration for anyone having the guts, skills and determination to succeed at any sport or esport. I do believe the most physically demanding sports are harder simply because it takes years and years of training and luck just to get the resilience to be able to train hard for hours day after day, but I wouldn't want to take anything away from anyone making a choice and standing by it.
The social aspect of gaming is good. Again I think meeting people in person is better, and it is naturally intertwined with many sports it I consider them healthier. But since gaming and meeting people are not mutually exclusive it is a non-argument and being part of something is more including than excluding.
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We just need cheerleaders
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1 word separates e-sports from sports: replacement
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On December 15 2010 15:01 dennisvreyes wrote:Show nested quote +Rabbet Canada. December 15 2010 04:52. Posts 101
One builds character, the other builds a basement lurking loser who can waste away their youths and go into adulthood filled with regrets.
User was warned for this post I don't understand TL. This is a very valid perspective, why does it get a warning. Well, lets look at it in terms of failing (monetarily, skills, etc), if you fail at sports, at least you gain good health or a good exercise at least, but if you fail at esports, you gain NOTHING, put to risk your health (all those hours sitting in front of a computer does tremendous amount of damage to your eyes, hands, and waist line at the minimum) and you lose time which you otherwise could have spent working, studying, being with friends and family.
It's not a perspective. It's a stereotype that negatively effects all gamers and has no real foundation in truth. It gets a warning because it's insulting, ignorant and offensive.
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On December 15 2010 04:52 Rabbet wrote:
One builds character, the other builds a basement lurking loser who can waste away their youths and go into adulthood filled with regrets.
User was warned for this post
lol that hurts. but i dont think flash and jaedong are losers ;P more like BALLERS!
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The difference is almost purely the social and cultural constructions that society has towards gaming. I do not think in our lifetimes it will be accepted as roundly as most more 'traditional' sports, it requires more time, exposure and support to grow. There will always be people that see gaming as not a legitimate sport, just as there are always people that deride traditional sports. Its all in culture and perceptions, how we grow up, we absorb far more bias in our views from the previous generation than we realise. The best thing we can probably do to help establish e-sports is to sit down and play a few games with our future children alongside more established sports, teach them that the medium does not carry a negative stigma.
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"Sports" are athletic and athletics build muscle, enhance coordination, creates a healthy lifestyle, and builds social/teamwork skills that are helpful to be successful in adult life. As Gen. MacArthur stated: "Upon the fields of friendly strife are sown the seeds that, upon other fields, on other days, will bear the fruits of victory."
"Gaming" is inherently nonathletic and anti-social behavior, and too much of it will make you physically unhealthy. Gamers would like to call it "esports" to give it a sense of legitimacy, but the two are completely different activities, and there is more than just the ignorance of parents justifying their concern for their children.
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I'm going to quote this for the sake who didn't read it a few pages ago, even if sport is "good" for your health it has a bad side:
On December 15 2010 07:26 mordk wrote:
A different possible debate here is that people are implying that competitive level sports only have positive physical consequences, statement which I consider false. Many activities considered sports have bad, and I mean really bad consequences. Take for example, the proven relationship between repetitive head trauma (Boxing) and Parkinson's Disease. Or the bad cases of knee and hip arthrosis derived from running long distances for a lifetime, or some premature deaths in account of heart failure reported in soccer, and other aerobic sports activities, obviously depending on each athlete's genetics.
Of course physical activity has beneficial health effects, but let's not confuse sports with physical activity with physical training, they are both in practice and medically, very different things.
So please, don't come with: because eSport is sooo bad at your health and sport no.
LIE!, the two give problems at your health if you take it to an extreme.
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On December 15 2010 22:24 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2010 15:01 dennisvreyes wrote:Rabbet Canada. December 15 2010 04:52. Posts 101
One builds character, the other builds a basement lurking loser who can waste away their youths and go into adulthood filled with regrets.
User was warned for this post I don't understand TL. This is a very valid perspective, why does it get a warning. Well, lets look at it in terms of failing (monetarily, skills, etc), if you fail at sports, at least you gain good health or a good exercise at least, but if you fail at esports, you gain NOTHING, put to risk your health (all those hours sitting in front of a computer does tremendous amount of damage to your eyes, hands, and waist line at the minimum) and you lose time which you otherwise could have spent working, studying, being with friends and family. It's not a perspective. It's a stereotype that negatively effects all gamers and has no real foundation in truth. It gets a warning because it's insulting, ignorant and offensive.
WRONG. Do you mean to tell us that Jaedong, Flash, and all other pro, semi pro, non pro, and just regular guys who enjoy esports are offended by it? He is expounding on a particular and decadent spectrum of esports/video gaming that he feels strongly about. Something which occurs as a matter of fact. Denying it only worsens the problem. If one feels that it directly speaks to him and he is offended, maybe its time he examines his life. Could Rabbet have framed it more politely? For sure. But one should take the high ground and take it with a bit of good humor. Or simply ignore it.
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i made a pretty serious about this in my 3rd year of unniversity and the conclusion was the lack of global organisation in esport. There is no esport global federation and this is the big thing.
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