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0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
December 15 2010 03:46 GMT
#161
Traditional sports promote a mastery of your physical body, whereas eSports minimizes the connection you have with your body.

BTW orotoss, traditional sports build all the things in both of your lists.
piskooooo
Profile Joined November 2008
United States351 Posts
December 15 2010 03:46 GMT
#162
To the average person, seeing a giant dude catch a football is more appealing than seeing a skinny dude click some buttons and press some keys.

It's depressing but true.
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itzjohnny
Profile Joined September 2010
62 Posts
December 15 2010 03:49 GMT
#163
The major difference is the physical feature of sports compared to e-sports. People generally play sports for two primary reasons:

1. It's fun and is a hobby to many.
2. It keeps your body relatively fit and healthy.

The latter does not apply to e-sports as there is no large physical motion being displayed while playing an e-sport.
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
December 15 2010 04:13 GMT
#164
On December 15 2010 11:16 eveo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2010 10:26 mprs wrote:
Here is the thing. Physical skill is valued more than mental skill in our society because of one very big reason. Most people engaging in a mental activity surpass the joe-shmoe of the population in that aspect. Unfortunately, to appreciate the mental prowess of the individual, you have to be mentally skilled yourself, or at least a little bit. This is too much to ask for the average population apparently. Physical skill can be seen with the senses (aka you can see Jordan jump 3258823 feet, double pump dunk). So you can be an idiot and still appreciate what the guy is doing is sick good.

Both sports and e-sports have both physical and mental components. One has more of one than the other.


Then why do people look down on trades and invest more in an education in sciences/research?


I'm talking in a sport sense. When people watch a sport on TV. If they see a chess master thinking for 10 minutes, they will be like meh who cares. It would take someone who has strong interest in chess to watch and appreciate whats going on. Obviously if you see a guy running really fast, you could be like "wow I could never do that".

Anyway it's probably a dumb argument on my part.
We talkin about PRACTICE
Nedfryst
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden32 Posts
December 15 2010 04:30 GMT
#165
In the defense of all the parents that doesn't understand. Have you ever tried sitting your dad and mom down with you, showed them how it works, explain the basic fundamentals of eSports and games in general. I did that a couple of years back, showed my dad shoot-em-up games and flight simulator, he pretty much took over the computer and played the games for himself. The plus side though is that nowdays he understands that this is my hobby and we sometimes sit down and play oldschool games together.

Also, I truly, TRULY believe that when we ourselves become old farts and have children of our own, that something new and flashy will be the youth "timesink" of choice, and we as adults will frown upon them and nag them to take up a real hobby, like eSport!

Those dang kids!! :D
"Remember that anyone who is worse than you is a n00b, and anyone who is better than you has no life."
chadus
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada31 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-15 04:51:48
December 15 2010 04:39 GMT
#166
Now the thing is 'eSports' does not benefit your health in a positive way. Real sports does. People who want to get healthy or in shape don't say 'oh yea I'm gonna play some SC2' they go to the gym or join a recreational sports team. YES I enjoy watching esports and yea I play video games as well, sometimes quite a bit. But the no one wants to promote something that isnot good for your physical or social health.
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
December 15 2010 04:43 GMT
#167
More physical sports promote physical activity (obviously) which leads to better health, whereas e-Sports does the opposite. I see no difference in the amount of effort / skill required, but I would rather see my child practice soccer over halo, or something.
:)
chadus
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada31 Posts
December 15 2010 04:52 GMT
#168
On December 15 2010 13:43 synapse wrote:
More physical sports promote physical activity (obviously) which leads to better health, whereas e-Sports does the opposite. I see no difference in the amount of effort / skill required, but I would rather see my child practice soccer over halo, or something.


Exactly what I was saying, just worded better
kef
Profile Joined September 2010
283 Posts
December 15 2010 05:30 GMT
#169
Aside from a health standpoint, I believe it also has to do with the social aspect of sports compared to e-sports. All of the most popular sports (soccer/football, american football, baseball, rugby, etc) are team based, person against person. In order to play these games even as a hobby requires face to face, physical interactions with another person on your team as well as people playing against you. Sure there are individual sports such as golf, tennis, running, etc. but even these require the physical presence of another human being to compete against, and are nowhere near as popular to watch as baseball or football.

When playing a video game, only the most serious of gamers play in a setting where their opponent is physically present (LAN parties, tournaments, etc). The exception to this is obviously split screen console gaming, but this is never done in a competitive/professional setting.

In society, as our social interactions occur more and more via digital media, I think e-sports will become more popular, but I don't ever see them becoming as popular as physical sports as long as we live on a single planet.
There are two kinds of people in this world: people who say there are two kinds of people in the world and people who know the first group of people are full of shit.
Wochtulka
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic66 Posts
December 15 2010 05:34 GMT
#170
Just to try to sit down your parents and try to describe them very slowly what the game is all about and how it works. Mine are not very happy with me playing for a long time but can get that it is not just some random robot building
m00nchile
Profile Joined July 2010
Slovenia240 Posts
December 15 2010 05:57 GMT
#171
Just one thing to all the people saying eSports doesn't keep you fit and healthy and real sports does. Keep in mind, we are comparing professionals, take any pro athlete, take a look at their career timechart and tell me what percentage of that duration was spent on getting surgeries and recovering from massive injury. How many pro cyclists die at 30-35 from heart attacks due to overwork? How many football (or soccer for you yanks) stars retire a hobbled mess that can barely walk? Ever seen an interview with a boxer (not BoxeR :D)? Pro sports keeping you healthy is just a myth.
The above post was made by a noob. Take it as such.
dennisvreyes
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
175 Posts
December 15 2010 06:01 GMT
#172
Rabbet Canada. December 15 2010 04:52. Posts 101
One builds character, the other builds a basement lurking loser who can waste away their youths and go into adulthood filled with regrets.

User was warned for this post


I don't understand TL. This is a very valid perspective, why does it get a warning.

Well, lets look at it in terms of failing (monetarily, skills, etc), if you fail at sports, at least you gain good health or a good exercise at least, but if you fail at esports, you gain NOTHING, put to risk your health (all those hours sitting in front of a computer does tremendous amount of damage to your eyes, hands, and waist line at the minimum) and you lose time which you otherwise could have spent working, studying, being with friends and family.
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-15 06:03:38
December 15 2010 06:02 GMT
#173
On December 15 2010 13:43 synapse wrote:
More physical sports promote physical activity (obviously) which leads to better health, whereas e-Sports does the opposite. I see no difference in the amount of effort / skill required, but I would rather see my child practice soccer over halo, or something.


You would be surprised at the amount of drugs that are in professional sports. I wouldn't say it's good for your health, especially sports like long distance running/biking, boxing, baseball, etc. Almost everyone takes clen who is a long distance athlete, along with EPO being used among the higher tier of athletes. That's just the tip of the icecberg.

I bet you progamers are generally more healthy than professional athletes.

edit: Don't try clen. Trust me, lol.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
dennisvreyes
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
175 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-15 06:07:23
December 15 2010 06:02 GMT
#174
On December 15 2010 13:30 Nedfryst wrote:
In the defense of all the parents that doesn't understand. Have you ever tried sitting your dad and mom down with you, showed them how it works, explain the basic fundamentals of eSports and games in general. I did that a couple of years back, showed my dad shoot-em-up games and flight simulator, he pretty much took over the computer and played the games for himself. The plus side though is that nowdays he understands that this is my hobby and we sometimes sit down and play oldschool games together.

Also, I truly, TRULY believe that when we ourselves become old farts and have children of our own, that something new and flashy will be the youth "timesink" of choice, and we as adults will frown upon them and nag them to take up a real hobby, like eSport!

Those dang kids!! :D



Perfect! :D


Silidons United States. December 15 2010 15:02.
You would be surprised at the amount of drugs that are in professional sports. I wouldn't say it's good for your health, especially sports like long distance running/biking, boxing, baseball, etc. Almost everyone takes clen who is a long distance athlete, along with EPO being used among the higher tier of athletes. That's just the tip of the icecberg.

I bet you progamers are generally more healthy than professional athletes.


Off topic. Drugs could happen anywhere man. Lets assume all things being equal here.
Rokk
Profile Joined March 2010
United States425 Posts
December 15 2010 06:38 GMT
#175
On December 15 2010 14:57 m00nchile wrote:
Just one thing to all the people saying eSports doesn't keep you fit and healthy and real sports does. Keep in mind, we are comparing professionals, take any pro athlete, take a look at their career timechart and tell me what percentage of that duration was spent on getting surgeries and recovering from massive injury. How many pro cyclists die at 30-35 from heart attacks due to overwork? How many football (or soccer for you yanks) stars retire a hobbled mess that can barely walk? Ever seen an interview with a boxer (not BoxeR :D)? Pro sports keeping you healthy is just a myth.


But when you look at sports played by children, it does very much so promote healthy activity. Since you don't wake up one day and be a professional athlete, what your parents and society view as healthy during your childhood is a valid property that helps explain why e-sports isn't as big as real sports.
Quarz
Profile Joined November 2010
448 Posts
December 15 2010 06:57 GMT
#176
On December 15 2010 15:38 Rokk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2010 14:57 m00nchile wrote:
Just one thing to all the people saying eSports doesn't keep you fit and healthy and real sports does. Keep in mind, we are comparing professionals, take any pro athlete, take a look at their career timechart and tell me what percentage of that duration was spent on getting surgeries and recovering from massive injury. How many pro cyclists die at 30-35 from heart attacks due to overwork? How many football (or soccer for you yanks) stars retire a hobbled mess that can barely walk? Ever seen an interview with a boxer (not BoxeR :D)? Pro sports keeping you healthy is just a myth.


But when you look at sports played by children, it does very much so promote healthy activity. Since you don't wake up one day and be a professional athlete, what your parents and society view as healthy during your childhood is a valid property that helps explain why e-sports isn't as big as real sports.


It doesn't help, because every country have their own popular sports. Why europes play football und not american football. Why is cricket popular in several countrys and in other not. It only tradition which sport is popular. Since when is for example Rugby designed to be healthy or Boxing. It is all about competition and fame.
piskooooo
Profile Joined November 2008
United States351 Posts
December 15 2010 07:18 GMT
#177
On December 15 2010 04:49 eveo wrote:EDIT: Made this thread because my parents don't take my gaming seriously. Dad was on the phone with my grandmother and was talking about what I do in my spare time and he literally described it as "he builds dingy little robots online for the majority of his time, and when he doesn't he sleeps. IM NOT EVEN TERRAN." I fucking lost it.

Okay, time to close the thread.
<3 MKP
.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-15 07:26:57
December 15 2010 07:25 GMT
#178
Besides the physical aspect, I see zero difference between eSports and conventional sports. But I suppose some might say that's exactly what sports are all about.

..In which case lol golf


On December 15 2010 04:49 eveo wrote:
EDIT: Made this thread because my parents don't take my gaming seriously. Dad was on the phone with my grandmother and was talking about what I do in my spare time and he literally described it as "he builds dingy little robots online for the majority of his time, and when he doesn't he sleeps. IM NOT EVEN TERRAN." I fucking lost it.


.. Well, I guess this is the same thing as pissing all your time away shooting hoops, if the NBA didn't exist.
now run into the setting sun, and suffer, but don't mess up your hair.
Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
December 15 2010 07:35 GMT
#179
On December 15 2010 10:01 Zocat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2010 09:47 Supamang wrote:
On December 15 2010 08:43 mprs wrote:
On December 15 2010 04:52 Bluetea wrote:
eSports = electronic, on a screen usually
Sports = IRL, using your body, etc.


You know, I'd love to see a video game where I can play without my body...

"but mom, i AM exercising! see how fast i move my fingers when i play games?"

jesus christ, stop taking things literally just to score useless points. the fact of the matter is, playing basketball or soccer requires so much more physical exertion, you cant even count computer games as "using your body" when put in comparison. the fact of the matter is, athletic sports require much more physical ability and comparable mental ability. being able to make smart decisions on the field or court and being able to actually carry out those decisions is much more impressive and difficult than making decisions while sitting in a chair pushing buttons.


Is Formula 1 a sport to you (or any other racing competition)?
Those guys just sit in their seat and turn their steering wheel (while 'pushing' buttons with their feet).


Nope. I dont consider racing a sport. Still, it does have comparable or even higher risk than most conventional sports so it does get some of my respect. I dont consider poker or chess a sport. I barely consider golf a sport.

But now that you bring that up, I guess considering how many activities are considered sports that dont really fit the typical criteria, I guess SC could be technically/officially considered a sport since the definition seems to be so malleable nowadays. I personally wouldnt consider it a sport, but if youre just looking for public recognition who cares what I think yea?


nihoh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia978 Posts
December 15 2010 07:47 GMT
#180
Let me interject here with two points. Firstly I want to bring up the fact that despite looking like it needs a minimal degree of physical fitness, golf requires the player to be in fine physical shape to perform; look at tiger woods.

Secondly and more importantly, this discussion seems to have missed out on counterstrike as an eSport... It involves more direct components of physical precision, reaction time and finesse (just think of awping for example), that arguably are missing from sc, so a better angle for proponents of esport being a sport may be found from that angle.
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