EPTWhat seperates eSports from Sports? - Page 8
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SpoR
United States1542 Posts
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Rifty
Canada76 Posts
Are there actually any numbers released for say MLG/Gom viewers? I seriously doubt they even peak at close to 100k viewers. | ||
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Gak2
Canada418 Posts
Is football or baseball a sport? Yes. Here the answer is obvious. Is swimming a sport? It's not a team sport but it is still a sport. Is golf or figure skating a sport? it's not as physically demanding as football but many do indeed consider them sports. Is chess a sport? The most widely accepted definition says a sport should have some physical exertion. So through this claim, I'd have to say it isn't a sport. However, it is a recognized sport by the international olympic committee. So if you define a sport by what they say is one, then I guess it is a sport (however, accepting something because other people say so isn't the best mindset to live by). Is racecar driving a sport? Hmm.. now here is where the line starts to become grey. If it is a sport, what condition does it pass that makes it a sport? I'd say it is because, like golf, the physical component of this sport is finesse, and dexterity. To put it another way, I think what separates a sport from a simple game is the fact that strategy isn't everything in a sport. There is a significant component attributed to the long process of perfecting technique. Even knowing the most perfect strategy in the world will not guarantee you a win in a sport. This is easily applied to video games like starcraft, and therefore I would also consider it a sport. | ||
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photomuse
United States102 Posts
The primary difference between Starcraft and a physical sport is in its natural appeal to the casual on uninitiated observer. Because Starcraft takes place in a virtual world with little to do with our world, the uninitiated can't appreciate it like someone could appreciate the speed of hokey or the difficulty of shooting a basketball or passing a soccer ball (or throwing a dart, or playing poker) or extreme sports. These things are popular because the average person can relate. This will change somewhat as more and more of our society become gamers, but I think this is a big difference when it comes to appeal. For example, think of how appealing it is for you to watch a game you don't know, when compared to starcraft. Then compare that to watching a physical sport you don't know. At least for me, the sport is more compelling. | ||
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AJMcSpiffy
United States1154 Posts
On December 15 2010 09:21 Rifty wrote: One has a global audience of hundreds of millions of people, the other has MAYBE a few hundred thousand people at best that follows the scene closely... and thats a very generous number. Are there actually any numbers released for say MLG/Gom viewers? I seriously doubt they even peak at close to 100k viewers. Well I know for Boxer's matches in the GSL the viewer/VOD counts were insane. about 440 thousand VOD views and almost 775 thousand people were logged into the GOM website at one point (made it crash actually) Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=161872 Definitely not in the hundreds of millions yet, but it is a world-wide viewership with a growing number of people watching. | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On December 15 2010 08:43 mprs wrote: You know, I'd love to see a video game where I can play without my body... "but mom, i AM exercising! see how fast i move my fingers when i play games?" jesus christ, stop taking things literally just to score useless points. the fact of the matter is, playing basketball or soccer requires so much more physical exertion, you cant even count computer games as "using your body" when put in comparison. the fact of the matter is, athletic sports require much more physical ability and comparable mental ability. being able to make smart decisions on the field or court and being able to actually carry out those decisions is much more impressive and difficult than making decisions while sitting in a chair pushing buttons. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On December 15 2010 09:47 Supamang wrote: "but mom, i AM exercising! see how fast i move my fingers when i play games?" jesus christ, stop taking things literally just to score useless points. the fact of the matter is, playing basketball or soccer requires so much more physical exertion, you cant even count computer games as "using your body" when put in comparison. the fact of the matter is, athletic sports require much more physical ability and comparable mental ability. being able to make smart decisions on the field or court and being able to actually carry out those decisions is much more impressive and difficult than making decisions while sitting in a chair pushing buttons. Is Formula 1 a sport to you (or any other racing competition)? Those guys just sit in their seat and turn their steering wheel (while 'pushing' buttons with their feet). | ||
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gotlucky
United States60 Posts
How does a sport become Olympic? To make it onto the Olympic programme, a sport first has to be recognised: it must be administered by an International Federation which ensures that the sport's activities follow the Olympic Charter. If it is widely practised around the world and meets a number of criteria established by the IOC session, a recognised sport may be added to the Olympic programme on the recommendation of the IOC's Olympic Programme Commission. And a link to their charter. Page 86 is supposed to be the relevant information for sports. I don't know if I missed anything, but there is no criteria listed for us to use. Pretty much all we know is that a sport needs to be worldwide and have a governing body. Unless anyone can find what criteria the IOC uses to decide what they consider to be sports, I don't think we should use the Olympics as a measure for what a sport is. Mainly because the IOC decides not really what is a sport, but whether a sport should be an Olympic Sport. | ||
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PrimalFear
Greece17 Posts
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koolaid1990
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
Both sports and e-sports have both physical and mental components. One has more of one than the other. | ||
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CASLsoju
Canada253 Posts
On December 15 2010 10:26 mprs wrote: Here is the thing. Physical skill is valued more than mental skill in our society because of one very big reason. Most people engaging in a mental activity surpass the joe-shmoe of the population in that aspect. Unfortunately, to appreciate the mental prowess of the individual, you have to be mentally skilled yourself, or at least a little bit. This is too much to ask for the average population apparently. Physical skill can be seen with the senses (aka you can see Jordan jump 3258823 feet, double pump dunk). So you can be an idiot and still appreciate what the guy is doing is sick good. Both sports and e-sports have both physical and mental components. One has more of one than the other. Then why do people look down on trades and invest more in an education in sciences/research? | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On December 15 2010 10:26 mprs wrote: Here is the thing. Physical skill is valued more than mental skill in our society because of one very big reason. Most people engaging in a mental activity surpass the joe-shmoe of the population in that aspect. Unfortunately, to appreciate the mental prowess of the individual, you have to be mentally skilled yourself, or at least a little bit. This is too much to ask for the average population apparently. Physical skill can be seen with the senses (aka you can see Jordan jump 3258823 feet, double pump dunk). So you can be an idiot and still appreciate what the guy is doing is sick good. Both sports and e-sports have both physical and mental components. One has more of one than the other. Nope. Sports are significantly older with a much bigger established fanbase over the years. E-sports are a new phenomenon. Imagine if a new sport was created. Comparatively no one would watch it. It's the same situation here. Please don't insult the intelligence of the general population, because from what I've seen of gamers (here and elsewhere), they're not some genius superbreed you seem to think. The technical aspect of sports like football and basketball is just as complex, if not moreso because of the variability of real-world actions, than that in SC and other games. | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
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megagoten
318 Posts
On December 15 2010 10:01 Zocat wrote: Is Formula 1 a sport to you (or any other racing competition)? Those guys just sit in their seat and turn their steering wheel (while 'pushing' buttons with their feet). you ever saw a fat f1 driver win? | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
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maneatingshoe
Canada484 Posts
On December 15 2010 10:26 mprs wrote: Here is the thing. Physical skill is valued more than mental skill in our society because of one very big reason. Most people engaging in a mental activity surpass the joe-shmoe of the population in that aspect. Unfortunately, to appreciate the mental prowess of the individual, you have to be mentally skilled yourself, or at least a little bit. This is too much to ask for the average population apparently. Physical skill can be seen with the senses (aka you can see Jordan jump 3258823 feet, double pump dunk). So you can be an idiot and still appreciate what the guy is doing is sick good. Both sports and e-sports have both physical and mental components. One has more of one than the other. Imagine if studying and learning gave you attractive qualities like working out and playing sports? | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
Who's a fat progamer in GSL who advanced to at least RO8 ? (btw - 'fat' Brazilian Ronaldo is a sportsman isnt he?) | ||
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LunarC
United States1186 Posts
On December 15 2010 12:30 maneatingshoe wrote: Imagine if studying and learning gave you attractive qualities like working out and playing sports? Einstein = Schwarzenegger But seriously, in most peoples' eyes, gaming is for fun, fucking around, and killing time. And in truth, those widely accessible games are the some of the most profitable. I think what sponsors need to do is to get their teams gym access. If players have open access to nearby gyms, they can relieve stress and pick up their physical fitness as well as mental fortitude. The body's condition can affect the mind positively or negatively in many ways, you know. | ||
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Omigawa
United States1556 Posts
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