• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:17
CEST 07:17
KST 14:17
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course5Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16
Community News
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !7Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes Mutation # 523 Firewall
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ? Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps? RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL21] Semifinals A [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro8 Day 3
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Muta micro map competition What's the deal with APM & what's its true value
Other Games
General Games
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1493 users

What seperates eSports from Sports? - Page 11

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 13 15 Next All
Leviwtf
Profile Joined October 2010
174 Posts
December 15 2010 15:57 GMT
#201
I think alot of people should listen to incontrol on the most recent SOTG where he talks about this topic...
IrT4nkz
Profile Joined May 2010
229 Posts
December 15 2010 16:09 GMT
#202
The first thing that comes to mind when people say Sports is physical activity. But there used to be games/past times like Pool, Curling, Darts etc. that don't require a lot of physical activity but precise skill in order to play it competitively.

eSports is usually frowned upon by parents because it is still so young. Majority of people are risk adverse and this is the case among parents. Every parent wants the best for their child and that is why they would have their children do strenuous physical activity instead of playing pool/darts/curling that does not involve much of it. Same thing for eSports.
TedJustice
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1324 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-15 16:11:48
December 15 2010 16:09 GMT
#203
The e stands for electronic. If it's heavily dependant on electronics, it's an eSport.

The reason people frown upon it is because they aren't familiar with it. I mean most people who watch sports wouldn't care to know what starcraft is or how it works. A lot of them don't even understand all the rules of the games they watch, they just want to see impressive physical feats.

It's not immediately evident how well someone's playing a game of starcraft if you're not familiar with the game, on the other hand.
Proto_Protoss
Profile Joined September 2010
United States495 Posts
December 15 2010 16:16 GMT
#204
eSports are still VERY young. People didn't start to really use electronics to earn money probably until the last 5 years or less. Sports have been around since man has had free time basically. Except for FPS games most eSports such as RTS are really difficult to understand whats going on if you don't play the game. If someone showed me a high level game of Civilization i would have no idea whats going on. Where as Sports have generally the same idea. Bring this object to the other side its nice and simple. Doesn't take a genius to understand how Soccer works.
"Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up everytime we do." - Confucius
rackdude
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States882 Posts
December 15 2010 16:17 GMT
#205
Sports is all about the wow. "Wow, that guy has hops!". "Wow, he bulldozers over 300 pound men". Watching Starcraft, I feel like a lot of the older generation is like "ehh, if I practiced everyday I could do that easily." Or they begin to think there's a lot of luck in it. Obviously it's not true, so in order for something like e-sports to take off this barrier has to be crossed. Most likely this will be crossed by having people play the game which enforces the idea that there is skill to the game.
Sweet.
chadus
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada31 Posts
December 15 2010 16:24 GMT
#206
It's frowned upon by parents because it does not benefit your life in a positive way. While you are playing sc2 other kids are on sports teams meeting new people. This improves their social and physical health. Think about it why would parents want to promote their child to become a 'pro-gamer'? It does NOT BENEFIT YOUR LIFE.

Take for example 2 different people. One training to become the next IdrA and the other training to become the next Micheal Jordan. The chances of these people actually making it to the GSL/NBA are very very slim. Now assume they both fail at becoming pro at sc2/basketball. Who now has a better standing in life? I would bet 9 times out of 10 the basketball player is farther ahead in life than the gamer. The basketball player is in shape, has friends, built teamwork, socially competent, etc. The gamer is ....good at starcraft2? probably technologically savvy, uhh I dont know many other positive things in life that one get achieve through gaming. This is why e-sports will never be as popular as every gaming scene wants it to be, because it just doesnt benefit the gamers life in a positive way.
rackdude
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States882 Posts
December 15 2010 16:26 GMT
#207
On December 16 2010 01:24 chadus wrote:
Take for example 2 different people. One training to become the next IdrA and the other training to become the next Micheal Jordan. The chances of these people actually making it to the GSL/NBA are very very slim. Now assume they both fail at becoming pro at sc2/basketball. Who now has a better standing in life? I would bet 9 times out of 10 the basketball player is farther ahead in life than the gamer. The basketball player is in shape, has friends, built teamwork, socially competent, etc. The gamer is ....good at starcraft2? probably technologically savvy, uhh I dont know many other positive things in life that one get achieve through gaming. This is why e-sports will never be as popular as every gaming scene wants it to be, because it just doesnt benefit the gamers life in a positive way.


A lot of gamers aren't even technologically savvy... but SC players sure type, click, and move faster than anyone else at a computer. Work efficiency++.
Sweet.
couches
Profile Joined November 2010
618 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-15 16:56:55
December 15 2010 16:52 GMT
#208
Think the biggest barriers right now are the age, accessibility and exposure of e-sports.

Any other well known competitive event has a rich history behind it. That provides a large fan base that creates the demand for the sport or event to be shown outside of obscure venues.

To play an e-sport event(game) yourself you gotta have a baller PC or a console (for halo nerds). Not everybody can afford that and not every kid will grow up that privileged. Any poor kid can get a ball to play soccer/ b-ball or baseball you know. And public parks to play in are more common than LAN centers for gaming.

Exposure is limited for e-sports right now. You gotta dig around on the net to watch games. This will get better as internet media improves and we move away from the TV being the king of home entertainment.


Oh yea I don't think it's a matter of one side being physically demanding while the other side is not. And at the same time it can't be said that e-sports are more strategically demanding because strategy plays a huge role in athletic sports as well, it's just a bit more subtle. Though sometimes it can be obvious such as pass the ball to the star player, but w/e.
Liquid_Adun
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada205 Posts
December 15 2010 20:25 GMT
#209
I think understanding has a lot to do with things. My parents can barley turn on a computer let alone understand the concept of a competitive video game. I think that when people experience their first noob slaying then they will understand and accept e sports.

God bless goon rushes, Adun.
I have returned.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
December 15 2010 20:28 GMT
#210
I think that one separation is that Sports have a more intrinsic entertainment value (participating and watching). It's a much smaller leap for a non-fan to enjoy the best basketball, football or soccer players in the world in action. If someone doesn't play video games at all, enjoying a starcraft match is virtually unattainable.
TrainFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States469 Posts
December 15 2010 20:31 GMT
#211
The obvious answer is electricity, the sad honest answer is legitimacy.
SpaceYeti
Profile Joined June 2010
United States723 Posts
December 15 2010 20:37 GMT
#212
What gets me is that a lot of parents wouldn't mind if you spent the same amount of time playing chess....but when it comes to a video game....OH HEEELLLL NO!
Behavior is a function of its consequences.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
December 15 2010 20:40 GMT
#213
On December 16 2010 05:37 SpaceYeti wrote:
What gets me is that a lot of parents wouldn't mind if you spent the same amount of time playing chess....but when it comes to a video game....OH HEEELLLL NO!

what if the chess is played via a video game ?

:d
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
December 15 2010 21:04 GMT
#214
If there was some standard e-sport that everyone could agree was fair and balanced and completely and effectively the best test of a gamers skills.....then I think we'd have something akin to a sport. It's just games and the spirit of competition and there's nothing wrong with that! Have fun!
zylog
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada943 Posts
December 15 2010 21:21 GMT
#215
Like most things, the definition of sport isn't a hard term with clear explanations of what is and isn't a sport. It's a fuzzy concept that encompasses competition, skill and physical exertion. You could take most Olympic sports - track & field, hockey, soccer, etc. and have pretty much everyone agree that it's a sport.

Then take some other sports like figure skating or gymnastics- these have all the elements mentioned above, but are sports that are judged for artistic and technical merit. Most consider them sports, but some do not.

How about chess? It's an extremely refined competitive activity that has been around for years, and some here are saying that it's widely accepted as a sport. While that may be true for some, others don't consider it a sport because it lacks physical exertion. I think it's fair to say that chess would fit only a more borderline definition of sport. So, to make the argument for starcraft being a sport based on a borderline example like chess isn't really a strong argument.

Finally, I present a counter example. Lots of kids study music and compete in competitions playing the piano, the violin, etc. These are extremely skilled activities that take over 10000 hours of practice to master (just like other sports), and devoted kids will practice 5+ hours a day. They'll possess remarkable dexterity, moving their hands in much more intricate patterns than hitting hotkeys in a game. Since it has been done for generations, the intensity of competition can be quite high. Is this considered a sport? I've never heard anyone argue for it, but it shares many of the same characteristics as sports.


CellTech
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada396 Posts
December 15 2010 21:25 GMT
#216
One is a multi billion dollar industry.

The other is close to making its first million.
^ Probably a Troll Post
oZii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1198 Posts
December 15 2010 21:52 GMT
#217
Who said there is a difference? Its all relative(as most of these types of post are) to what you consider a sport then throw the e in front of it. Thats really all there is to it. If for obvious reasons there is no certified league ranging from elementary - college level. There is no total body sanctioning board like Players association, President or director of the board, there is no NCAA. Then you have to go into are we talking about America(which it seems to be from the OP) or are we talking about korea(where it is a sport).
vict1019
Profile Joined December 2010
United States401 Posts
December 15 2010 22:01 GMT
#218
Physical ability.
Evil Geniuses - The Yankees of ESports(without the results)
gozima
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada602 Posts
December 15 2010 22:14 GMT
#219
Tradition sports are not owned by corporations. No corporation owns the game of baseball, basketball, football etc. Traditional sports rarely ever change over time. Technology effects traditional sports to a degree [conditioning, equipment etc.], but the rules of the sport usually stay the same.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-16 01:10:04
December 16 2010 00:54 GMT
#220
when my parents used to complain about missing dinner for a match (I played competitve TFC, CPL etc.) i used to ask them if they'd be upset I missed dinner because I had a basketball match at the YMCA on thursday at 7 instead. They would always regretfully say 'no' and understand what I was getting at.

Both are hobbies we do for fun, I'm not wasting my time playing a game over basketball im not going Pro in gaming and im not going to the NBA. I can get physical activity in other arenas so really just do what you enjoy. The only problem with gaming/basketball/any hobby on planet earth is when you neglect actual responsibilities such as school/work etc. to the point it could have a severe impact on your future.

to make the point if bowling, nascar, pool, etc. are sports than so is competitive gaming. the only difference is public understand and acceptance but those will come with time. It will likely never reach the heights of the NFL etc. but it should become exponentially bigger in the next decade or so.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 13 15 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 43m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 140
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 6868
Zeus 926
Snow 263
Mind 117
Pusan 74
soO 37
Bale 26
ZergMaN 8
Icarus 5
Dota 2
monkeys_forever399
League of Legends
JimRising 780
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv236
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox499
Other Games
summit1g14886
C9.Mang0420
PiGStarcraft171
ViBE89
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL8055
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH184
• practicex 14
• Mapu11
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Scarra1712
Upcoming Events
GSL
2h 43m
Afreeca Starleague
4h 43m
Soma vs Leta
Wardi Open
6h 43m
Monday Night Weeklies
10h 43m
OSC
18h 43m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 4h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 4h
Light vs Flash
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
BSL
5 days
GSL
6 days
Cure vs TBD
TBD vs Maru
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026: Closed Qualifier
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.