EPTIn many cases pro athletes are more loved and respected than even some royalty or high ranking politicans.
What seperates eSports from Sports? - Page 3
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Tyree
1508 Posts
In many cases pro athletes are more loved and respected than even some royalty or high ranking politicans. | ||
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NotSupporting
Sweden1998 Posts
On December 15 2010 05:03 Alpina wrote: Well eSports does not give you any benefits imo, unless you are making money from that. People usually do sports cause it's very good for health, and eSports are bad for health. eSports are waste of time usually, imho. Wait...what? Can't believe you have 1000 posts on TL.net and write a post like this. How is eSports bad for your health, wtf? | ||
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fearlessparagon
United States104 Posts
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N0cturnal
United Kingdom40 Posts
 It's generally frowned upon, however the new rise in casual gaming popularity such as motion sensor gaming (Wii, PS move, xbox konnect etc) are changing things for the better.... sort of. I doubt anyone who views Starcraft or "proper non casual' gaming as anything but that. | ||
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NotSupporting
Sweden1998 Posts
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e4e5nf3
Canada599 Posts
Things like addressing the players by game names; in Korea fans and presenters use the player's real names. Outside of Korea we know big players like Greg Fields as Idra and Chris Loranger as Huk, just to name 2 examples. For us it would be "weird" to call them by their real names... but why not? It's like we're addressing a character rather than a human being. Also, and to many this may not seem like a big deal, attire. In Korea the SC commentators have this formal attitude to presenting themselves in front of the camera. Tasteless and Artosis, however, wear casual shirts with a sports coat thrown on top as if to say, hey, we can't really take this seriously, we'd be dorky if we went full on professional. I know those are really trivial examples I gave, but it's little things like that that kinda indicate our approach to esports. Presentation is really important yet we give this impression that we don't want esports to belong in the grown-up category along with other sports. | ||
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NotSupporting
Sweden1998 Posts
On December 15 2010 05:37 e4e5nf3 wrote: This got me thinking, are esports outside of Korea going all the way when it comes to taking it seriously? There are little things that make it seem like subconsciously we esport fans still don't take it as serious as real sports. Things like addressing the players by game names; in Korea fans and presenters use the player's real names. Outside of Korea we know big players like Greg Fields as Idra and Chris Loranger as Huk, just to name 2 examples. For us it would be "weird" to call them by their real names... but why not? It's like we're addressing a character rather than a human being. Also, and to many this may not seem like a big deal, attire. In Korea the SC commentators have this formal attitude to presenting themselves in front of the Korea. Tasteless and Artosis, however, wear casual shirts with a sports coat thrown on top as if to say, hey, we can't really take this seriously, we'd be dorky if we went full on professional. I know those are really trivial examples I gave, but it's little things like that that kinda indicate our approach to esports. Presentation is really important yet we give this impression that we don't want esports to belong in the grown-up category along with other sports. You have to remember that there are cultural differences between Korea and the western world and they play a part in this as well. In Korea you don't address someone by saying "you" for example and I think that is reflected by the fact that they are called by their names and not ID's just to stay formal. Same reasoning is probably behind their casters, they want to look formal on national tv (makes sense ^_^) | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
-_- OP there are tons of threads about this as well. A simple search would suffice. Some of you really need to learn how to use the search function and when you fail once, try it again. Seriously this isn't a place you can regurgitate diarrhea. EDIT: SMARTEN UP. | ||
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ashaman771
Canada114 Posts
It's easier to spend hours and hours on a PC, than to put the same amount of time in the gym, field, rink, mat, etc. Put an honest 5 hours in a gym, and sit yourself down for 5 hours of starcraft. The 5 hours in the gym is much more difficult. Becoming a pro athlete is much more difficult than becoming a pro player I think. At a basic level, a pro athlete puts himself in harms way to play the sport. I like SC2, but you're going a bit too far comparing it to MMA or football or hockey. | ||
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
On December 15 2010 05:34 NotSupporting wrote: Wait...what? Can't believe you have 1000 posts on TL.net and write a post like this. How is eSports bad for your health, wtf? What this have to do with what I wrote? Your question does not make any sense. | ||
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orotoss
United States298 Posts
On December 15 2010 05:40 ashaman771 wrote: If starcraft is a sport, so are board games, billiards, darts, etc. None of these are sports. It's easier to spend hours and hours on a PC, than to put the same amount of time in the gym, field, rink, mat, etc. Put an honest 5 hours in a gym, and sit yourself down for 5 hours of starcraft. The 5 hours in the gym is much more difficult. Becoming a pro athlete is much more difficult than becoming a pro player I think. At a basic level, a pro athlete puts himself in harms way to play the sport. I like SC2, but you're going a bit too far comparing it to MMA or football or hockey. Soooo, because Starcraft 2 is less physically demanding than football, it is not a sport? And because Starcraft 2 players don't "put themselves in harms way," it is not a sport? Also, there are professional darts and billiards players who make over $50,000 a year. | ||
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gotlucky
United States60 Posts
On December 15 2010 05:30 Kalingingsong wrote: possible factor?: Lots of sports are simple enough that you don't have to know all the rules to enjoy watching them. esport is more knowledge based, if you don't know what the units do for example, you'd be staring at the screen confused. So you end up with a smaller audience. It's certainly not true for me. I have no idea what's happening in football. I know a few terms, but other than knowing the quarterback is really important and that there are touchdowns, I really don't know what's happening (other than someone throwing the ball or someone running with it). CS is pretty easy for me to follow. The rules are pretty simple: Win by killing the other team, or win by controlling the bomb site. I don't need to know which guns are better for certain situations, why someone might be saving money for the next round instead of buying a gun now, etc. I just need to know what either team's objective is. SC is the same. Destroy all your opponent's buildings. It's certainly harder to watch than CS for a newcomer, since one would like to know what each unit and building does, but it's a wargame. Each play sends an army (or maybe just small forces) to attack the enemy. I bet that if someone had no knowledge of the rules or ever seen either football or sc2, that person would find them equally hard to follow. Knowing the role of all the players on the field is a lot of information, just like knowing the units in sc2. But then there are also rules you have to know: how to score, penalties, why the game stops so much...but in sc2, the rules are built into the game. | ||
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kilolo
Sweden150 Posts
On December 15 2010 05:32 IntoTheBush wrote: I can answer this! Sports is a physically draining activity, while e-sports is more of a mentally draining activity. Ive never heard of someone being sore from pwning newbs online. I can think of many "sports" that aren't very physically demanding, example every shooting and marksmanship sport either with gun, rifle or bow and arrow. What's the difference there? Don't tell me those aren't real sports they're in the Olympics. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On December 15 2010 05:14 eveo wrote: It's literally all day. I'm not talking about high schoolers or anything, talking about pros. The regimen for a professional boxer is crazy. Wake 5am, training till 8, sleep till 10, training again till 9/10 with meals in between. Quite intense. It might be so for specific sports that require developing an extreme physical condition, but that is definitely not the case with sports in general. It's most certainly not the case with european football (not even near), and I'm fairly sure it's not the case with most team sports and many other popular sports. Of course, there are also quite a few actual sports that are very dangerous and far from healthy (short or long term). SCBW professionals would train for 10 to 14 hours a day. That is nothing short of disastrous for a human being. While such training regimes do contribute greatly to the level of skill that we see and enjoy on screen as fans, IMHO it's a dark side of Starcraft progaming that nobody should be particularly proud of. I'm hoping things will turn out a little differently for SC2 and e-sports in general and that it won't push people to such extreme limits as much. | ||
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DibujEx
Chile130 Posts
On December 15 2010 05:40 ashaman771 wrote: If starcraft is a sport, so are board games, billiards, darts, etc. None of these are sports. It's easier to spend hours and hours on a PC, than to put the same amount of time in the gym, field, rink, mat, etc. Put an honest 5 hours in a gym, and sit yourself down for 5 hours of starcraft. The 5 hours in the gym is much more difficult. Becoming a pro athlete is much more difficult than becoming a pro player I think. At a basic level, a pro athlete puts himself in harms way to play the sport. I like SC2, but you're going a bit too far comparing it to MMA or football or hockey. No, you are wrong, because Chess IS a sport. And maybe yes, it's more easy to sit 5 hours at the computer, but no at getting good at the game like SCII, it's not easy, that is why not everyone who play 5 hours a day of SCII is a Progamer. And for me, everything that makes you more intelligent, is better than a sport, No, I'm not saying that sport are bad, I just prefer to think | ||
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NotSupporting
Sweden1998 Posts
On December 15 2010 05:41 Alpina wrote: What this have to do with what I wrote? Your question does not make any sense. eSports does not give you any benefits? What about excitement, entertainment something to spend time watching, something to follow. Are you incapable of seeing beyond the physical part of sports? It's like saying that following your favorite football team gives you nothing, unless your making money from it. You arguments does not make any sense whatsoever. And regarding post count, you have written a thousand posts in a community forum that is centered around eSport but you can't see any good things regarding it, you must be lost. | ||
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ashaman771
Canada114 Posts
On December 15 2010 05:44 orotoss wrote: Soooo, because Starcraft 2 is less physically demanding than football, it is not a sport? And because Starcraft 2 players don't "put themselves in harms way," it is not a sport? Also, there are professional darts and billiards players who make over $50,000 a year. Yes. Physical demand is part of sport. Yes. Because of the physical demand of sport, you put yourself in harms way. Yes there are professional darts and billiards players who make a living at it. No need to make SC2, Halo, Quake more than they are, great video games. | ||
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ashaman771
Canada114 Posts
On December 15 2010 05:46 DibujEx wrote: No, you are wrong, because Chess IS a sport. And maybe yes, it's more easy to sit 5 hours at the computer, but no at getting good at the game like SCII, it's not easy, that is why not everyone who play 5 hours a day of SCII is a Progamer. And for me, everything that makes you more intelligent, is better than a sport, No, I'm not saying that sport are bad, I just prefer to think Chess is not a sport. It's a difficult and great game, but not any more a sport than monopoly. | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
On December 15 2010 04:52 Bluetea wrote: eSports = electronic, on a screen usually Sports = IRL, using your body, etc. We think the internet is real You don't use your body when you play video games? Edit: also, to those saying that the fanbase makes the difference when it comes to sports: Does that mean any unpopular sport is not a sport? And yes, there are physical demands to Starcraft. Do you not think that APM is not a limiting factor for top Starcraft players? If you cannot top 200 apm you will have a hard time competing with Flash. You can't compare this to chess, because in chess as long as you can communicate you move to someone who can move it for you, you will have no problems playing. You don't need to train to move pieces in chess. | ||
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Rage178
United States127 Posts
In the future generations, hopefully children won't be idolizing sports players like Reggie Bush or Michael Jordan but rather professional eSports players who really define their style of play. If the culture turns its eyes to eSports and the future of sports broadcasting gets less popular, eSports will become more popular and prize pools will increase. The best thing we can all do is do our best to help the community prosper and spread the knowledge of how fun eSports really are to watch. The more viewers, the more sponsors, which means more money for everyone. Support the sponsors and the community! | ||
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