EPT[Spoilers] Junkka's Epic Speech - Page 8
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ace246
Australia360 Posts
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Sewi
Germany1697 Posts
On November 13 2010 22:31 Shockk wrote: As much as the speech appealed to my sense of nerd pride, Junkka's wrong. Doing something with a passion and eventually turning it into a way to be successful in life may work for some hobbies and some people. Yeah, there are professional computer gamers, just as there are people earning millions with sports or making a fortune with building toy trains. However, those are all niches. How many people on the world can actually live from playing video games? How many can do nothing but their favorite sport and become rich from doing so? Almost none, compared to the huge number of people that would like to but didn't get the chance or didn't have the luck neccessary. I do like the idea of being proud of what you do, especially since I'm a gamer myself and playing video games as a hobby still is a social stigma here and there. But encouraging gamers to just be passionate about gaming and saying they'll eventually turn that into an advantage? No sir, that won't work for 99% of people. And by the way: Who says you can't find joy and fulfillment in a "normal" job? I, for my part, did. One point that he makes is that you can be successful and have a job RELATED to video games. It is not only about playing and being a pro-gamer. There are so many options and jobs relating to esports that you can have a "normal" job and still be surrounded by the things/game you love. I am not sure if that is what he really wanted to say, but at least it is what I read out of it :p | ||
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
On November 13 2010 22:30 Aus.Force wrote: i could have, but according to you, he is wasting his life Look. I just mentioned the extreme high risk that being a progamer takes. Of course it worked out well for LimYoHwan. But he said himself he was just hanging out in internet cafes instead of going to school... his parents thought he was wasting his life, too. Now imagine if he had a little less talent and didn't make it to the biggest eSport figure of all time. In fact you don't have to imagine it because there are tons of unknown unsuccessful ones... Of course it's not only in progaming like that. Eminem being a successful rapper while thousands trying to be like him still are in the ghettos. | ||
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On November 13 2010 22:31 Shockk wrote: As much as the speech appealed to my sense of nerd pride, Junkka's wrong. I do like the idea of being proud of what you do, especially since I'm a gamer myself and playing video games as a hobby still is a social stigma here and there. But encouraging gamers to just be passionate about gaming and saying they'll eventually turn that into an advantage? No sir, that won't work for 99% of people. He isn't WRONG... he's just encouraging people to try to do what they love. But of course you have to be realistic about it. Obviously it's not a good idea for a 30 apm gold leaguer to drop out of college and move to Korea just because he really loves the GSL. On November 13 2010 22:31 Shockk wrote:And by the way: Who says you can't find joy and fulfillment in a "normal" job? I, for my part, did. An excellent point. | ||
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NIIINO
Slovakia1320 Posts
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Wihl
Sweden472 Posts
I also have a bachelors degree in marketing and I've been thinking about getting a masters degree but might work for a few years first. Got a job interview coming up in a couple of weeks (marketing manager for a game publisher). You can definately combine what you love with what you "should" do. There's no need to choose, as long as you accept that you might not get as much sleep as ordinary people. | ||
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Sewi
Germany1697 Posts
On November 13 2010 22:39 NIIINO wrote: god have i missed something ? :o can anyone write it here pls ? read the thread. Junkka did a speech after the GSL finals. Someone wrote it down in this thread for those who missed it EDIT: It is on page 6 or 7  | ||
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Mioraka
Canada1353 Posts
On November 13 2010 22:39 butchji wrote: Look. I just mentioned the extreme high risk that being a progamer takes. Of course it worked out well for LimYoHwan. But he said himself he was just hanging out in internet cafes instead of going to school... his parents thought he was wasting his life, too. Now imagine if he had a little less talent and didn't make it to the biggest eSport figure of all time. In fact you don't have to imagine it because there are tons of unknown unsuccessful ones... What's your point? There are unsuccessful people all over the world, for all kinds of jobs, let that be sports or I-banking. You, for one, is likely to be one of them. Why? because you think you have it all figured out, while everyone thinks you are retarded. You can be doing w/e you are doing but being a dbag will ensure your failure. | ||
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Chocobo
United States1108 Posts
On November 13 2010 22:37 ace246 wrote: Guys, you have to realise that butchji is right for the wrong reasons. Someone like a lawyer, ceo or anyother high class career gets high pay because THEY ACTUALLY MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY. I don't think its right to say that someone "wasted" their life because they aren't doing something which has high salary like progaming which doesn't have large paychecks (unless your one of the best) but because for what its worth, its a game, it doesn't save people's lives or help lives (unless you consider gaming as helping lives). But just because butchji's reason is wrong, doesn't mean progamers are as deserving of respect like doctors, lawyers, etc. A game is still a game, lets not overrate it please. Do you think that Foxer, Nestea, Fruitdealer, Boxer, etc. have not made any contribution to the community? You got hours of entertainment from watching them and are here posting on this site because of them. If their lives are "wasted" then so are the lives of Michael Jordan and Robert DeNiro. | ||
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shaunnn
Ireland1230 Posts
On November 13 2010 22:37 ace246 wrote: Guys, you have to realise that butchji is right for the wrong reasons. Someone like a lawyer, ceo or anyother high class career gets high pay because THEY ACTUALLY MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY. I don't think its right to say that someone "wasted" their life because they aren't doing something which has high salary like progaming which doesn't have large paychecks (unless your one of the best) but because for what its worth, its a game, it doesn't save people's lives or help lives (unless you consider gaming as helping lives). But just because butchji's reason is wrong, doesn't mean progamers are as deserving of respect like doctors, lawyers, etc. A game is still a game, lets not overrate it please. I find it funny that the two examples of contributing to the community you listed were highly payed CEOs and lawyers rofl | ||
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On November 13 2010 22:28 butchji wrote: I know there exist exceptions to the rule. You could've named Lim Yo Hwan, too. You don't know anything, there's no such thing a "rules" in life. The only rules that exist are man made and happiness isn't bound by rules (yes I know it sounds corny). You're probably going to have to find out the hard way that a big paycheck and fancy title isn't going to make your life as complete as you thought it would. Sorry man | ||
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OasiS.oasis
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ace246
Australia360 Posts
On November 13 2010 22:25 Aus.Force wrote: Sir Richard Branson, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch etc would beg to differ. Its people like you that are generally wasting their lives actually mate. Doctors/Lawyers and so on may have a fancy piece of paper and a "high paying sector job" but do you think they are all happy? Why would you honestly think that people who do something different are wasting their lives? They love what they do, they work hard at what they do, and they make a living. Not everyone aspires to make a 6 figure salary and live in a penthouse apartment. Most people (the general working sector) only have a high school education, but they are happy with their families and friends. Then as John's whole post was saying (the point you obviously completely missed) there are the people who do things outside the box (except e sports where they play inside the box >.>), and they are successful. It is the people who don't give a shit about being rich. The are so happy and are content with living off what they earn. Its these people that move the world forward. The people that pioneer and revolutionise. Look at the names i mentioned above. None of them were your role model Doctors of Medicine, yet they are some of the most successful people in the world. Where are your doctors of medicine on these rich lists? More ironically, the most inspirational "doctors of medicine" are those that do the job for the passion, and not the money. The nobel prize winners that go to war torn countries, impoverished countries, and disease ridden parts of the world. They are underfunded, and underpaid, yet they persevere due to passion. Fred Hollows for example (look him up). John's speech was an example of doing something for love, and not for greed or social acceptance. Do what you love, you only live once, so why waste your time on something your not happy with. I can't believe i actually wrote this =/ Naiivty does that i guess Are you implying that progamers and esports move the world forward. I admit that devoting to something you want to do like gaming isn't a "waste of time" but progamers only contribute to esports and as far as our world is concerned, esports is something we can do without. Richard Branson, Bill Gates and Rupert Murdoch actually did something that contribute to society as a whole, so don't lump them in with progamers. | ||
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Sniffy
Australia290 Posts
On November 13 2010 22:37 ace246 wrote: Guys, you have to realise that butchji is right for the wrong reasons. Someone like a lawyer, ceo or anyother high class career gets high pay because THEY ACTUALLY MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY. I don't think its right to say that someone "wasted" their life because they aren't doing something which has high salary like progaming which doesn't have large paychecks (unless your one of the best) but because for what its worth, its a game, it doesn't save people's lives or help lives (unless you consider gaming as helping lives). But just because butchji's reason is wrong, doesn't mean progamers are as deserving of respect like doctors, lawyers, etc. A game is still a game, lets not overrate it please. What the fuck? Progaming doesn't contribute any less to the community than artists, film makers, or sports players. Your logic is flat out dumb. Football is a game, and yet football stars are seen as figures. How is esports any different? Professional SC2 provides high quality entertainment. Football provides high quality entertainment. Football is "just a game" as well. If people deserve respect they'll get respect. People like you don't determine who is worthy and who isn't. | ||
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butchji
Germany1531 Posts
On November 13 2010 22:44 Mioraka wrote: What's your point? There are unsuccessful people all over the world, for all kinds of jobs, let that be sports or I-banking. You, for one, is likely to be one of them. Why? because you think you have it all figured out, while everyone thinks you are retarded. You can be doing w/e you are doing but being a dbag will ensure your failure. My point is that the speech is far to one-dimensional. And I don't think a regular 9to5 job is equally safe as being a progamer. And please stop calling me a retard. It hurts so much inside. :,( | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
On November 13 2010 22:37 ace246 wrote: Guys, you have to realise that butchji is right for the wrong reasons. Someone like a lawyer, ceo or anyother high class career gets high pay because THEY ACTUALLY MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY. I don't think its right to say that someone "wasted" their life because they aren't doing something which has high salary like progaming which doesn't have large paychecks (unless your one of the best) but because for what its worth, its a game, it doesn't save people's lives or help lives (unless you consider gaming as helping lives). But just because butchji's reason is wrong, doesn't mean progamers are as deserving of respect like doctors, lawyers, etc. A game is still a game, lets not overrate it please. They contribute. They connect our passions. If it wasnt for these people, you, I or anyone else in here would be here enjoying what we see and read. There are different kinds of happinesses, which applies to different areas of the world. | ||
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zidaneshead
245 Posts
On November 13 2010 22:37 ace246 wrote: Guys, you have to realise that butchji is right for the wrong reasons. Someone like a lawyer, ceo or anyother high class career gets high pay because THEY ACTUALLY MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY. I don't think its right to say that someone "wasted" their life because they aren't doing something which has high salary like progaming which doesn't have large paychecks (unless your one of the best) but because for what its worth, its a game, it doesn't save people's lives or help lives (unless you consider gaming as helping lives). But just because butchji's reason is wrong, doesn't mean progamers are as deserving of respect like doctors, lawyers, etc. A game is still a game, lets not overrate it please. And what would you say about actors, athletes....a fucking circus performer? They entertain right? So do gamers, but in their own way. When a gamer is able to make a living off of playing, it's not just because he's the best, it's because he entertains an audience, just like the professions I mentioned above. If movies were a niche product like gaming was, guys like Brad Pitt would be nobody's making minimal pay. It's all comes down to how wide-reaching their form of entertainment is. But that doesn't mean one form of entertainment has way more credibility than another.\ That being said, not alot of people make a living off of gaming. But for those that can, then why not do it as long as you can? | ||
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ace246
Australia360 Posts
On November 13 2010 22:44 shaunnn wrote: I find it funny that the two examples of contributing to the community you listed were highly payed CEOs and lawyers rofl they make more contribution than a progamer will ever do in their life time | ||
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FreeRice
Philippines44 Posts
So what's the difference between those people and those who choose their own path and fail? I mean Mr. Normal failed at life too, he just did something "accepted" by society. Is there a special consolation prize for that? :/ | ||
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Also what will ZergBong do? (Dunno maybe he has a Doctor of Medicine or smth) He has barely any time left being a progamer and you can't live with that 80K $ forever.
