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On November 13 2010 22:55 ace246 wrote:
FFS, Progamers only give entertainment to people who watch esports, not the general public. The reason why progamer's contributions aren't as much as your athlete, actor, etc is because the majority of the people in our society look down on gaming. Harsh? Yes indeed, but thats life, and as long as esports is looked down on by those people, it will never really be a contribution to society, which i think is unfair but hey thats life, you just gotta deal with it, whether you like it or not.
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On November 13 2010 23:05 LittleeD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 22:55 ace246 wrote:
FFS, Progamers only give entertainment to people who watch esports, not the general public. The reason why progamer's contributions aren't as much as your athlete, actor, etc is because the majority of the people in our society look down on gaming. Harsh? Yes indeed, but thats life, and as long as esports is looked down on by those people, it will never really be a contribution to society, which i think is unfair but hey thats life, you just gotta deal with it, whether you like it or not. + Show Spoiler +
muhuhahaha. Conformity is righteous. All must obey.
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Junkka, you're awesome. I have total respect for people who put their life on the line for living their dream. It must be so hard, and many people will fail, but if everyone is a naysayer we will never reach for the stars.
Go and become the pioneer of esports!
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Encouraging kids to try to become progamers is pretty much saying "screw education, go hardcore game." Kids WANT to hear something like that, work and entertainment coupled together, a good excuse to skip school and the tough process of education. Once they've committed, they could find themselves reality biting back really hard. Kids just don't realise how insanely hard and demanding progaming would be untill its too late.
I love starcraft and am a hardcore gamer, but I would never trade education for progaming.
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On November 13 2010 23:09 KaiserJohan wrote:
I love starcraft and am a hardcore gamer, but I would never trade education for progaming.
Heck, Qxc, Day9 and many other Programers are still students, often at reasonably decent universities as well.
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On November 13 2010 22:56 NIIINO wrote:Show nested quote +I'd rather live in a dump, work part time, and make just enough to get by than have any kind of "success" like that. And I'd prefer that option about as strongly as I'd prefer a delicious steak dinner over a poop sandwich. and why not to be a Successful layer with happy family ? its not impossible. its like saying he got money but no heart... bullshit
I never said it was impossible. Just that if you have to sacrifice incredible amounts of time and barely have any kind of family, then I don't want that kind of success.
To the overachievers who work hard, get promoted, become important, make lots of money, and still have time for their family and time to enjoy their lives.... more power to them, they deserve it.
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On November 13 2010 23:09 KaiserJohan wrote:
Encouraging kids to try to become progamers is pretty much saying "screw education, go hardcore game." Kids WANT to hear something like that, work and entertainment coupled together, a good excuse to skip school and the tough process of education. Once they've committed, they could find themselves reality biting back really hard. Kids just don't realise how insanely hard and demanding progaming would be untill its too late.
I love starcraft and am a hardcore gamer, but I would never trade education for progaming.
im in the best highschool in finland doing IB program and im about 2100 in diamond europe ladder, also learning some programming atm.. I didnt screw school and i didnt screw other hobbies yet still u will never reach my lv in sc2...
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On November 13 2010 22:55 ace246 wrote:
FFS, Progamers only give entertainment to people who watch esports, not the general public. The reason why progamer's contributions aren't as much as your athlete, actor, etc is because the majority of the people in our society look down on gaming. Harsh? Yes indeed, but thats life, and as long as esports is looked down on by those people, it will never really be a contribution to society, which i think is unfair but hey thats life, you just gotta deal with it, whether you like it or not.
How do you quantify contributions to society? Boxer is one of the most well mannered guy I've seen. He signs autographs all the time and I see endless 'pictures with boxer!' threads from blizzcon. He's respectful of his opponents, is nearly always good mannered and I bet he influences ton of kids and people who watches him. Who's to say that a lawyer will contribute to society more than boxer?
how do you decide who contributes more to society? How do you compare a humanitarian who devotes his life to helping children in 3rd world country to Bill Gates who donates millions of dollars to Charity?
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who is jankka and where did he give his speech.
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Excellent speek Junkka. And thanks for banning the troll aswell.
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I think this speech pretty much says, do whatever the hell you want, nobody is stopping you, haters gonna hate, and those people are usually just jealous
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On November 13 2010 22:59 Aus.Force wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 22:55 ace246 wrote:
FFS, Progamers only give entertainment to people who watch esports, not the general public. The reason why progamer's contributions aren't as much as your athlete, actor, etc is because the majority of the people in our society look down on gaming. Harsh? Yes indeed, but thats life, and as long as esports is looked down on by those people, it will never really be a contribution to society, which i think is unfair but hey thats life, you just gotta deal with it, whether you like it or not. ummm. that was the whole point of John's speech..... he's saying if it makes you happy, then do it. if you want it, have a go at it.... don't just go by what is "socially acceptable"
I think maybe devoting to gaming will definitely make you happy IN THE SHORT TERMS. But what about when you get to the time in your 30s where you start to get married (if your opting to do so) and have children and getting a job to provide the family? The existence of progaming is new to this world ( around 10~12 years, pretty much when brood war came out). But once you see the modern progamers retiring and trying to live a normal life, then we will get a good idea of how much devotion to games takes its toll on a person's life. But i don't see it being a benefit in the long-terms of one's life.
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On November 13 2010 23:09 KaiserJohan wrote:
Encouraging kids to try to become progamers is pretty much saying "screw education, go hardcore game." Kids WANT to hear something like that, work and entertainment coupled together, a good excuse to skip school and the tough process of education. Once they've committed, they could find themselves reality biting back really hard. Kids just don't realise how insanely hard and demanding progaming would be untill its too late.
I love starcraft and am a hardcore gamer, but I would never trade education for progaming.
He's just telling to not give up your passion whether or not it is "socially acceptable". He's not telling you to stop school for progaming.
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On November 13 2010 23:11 kataa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 23:09 KaiserJohan wrote:
I love starcraft and am a hardcore gamer, but I would never trade education for progaming.
Heck, Qxc, Day9 and many other Programers are still students, often at reasonably decent universities as well.
Yeah but they are not that good as the koreans, who dedicate their lives to it.
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junkka big<3
you made my day 
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On November 13 2010 23:11 kataa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 23:09 KaiserJohan wrote:
I love starcraft and am a hardcore gamer, but I would never trade education for progaming.
Heck, Qxc, Day9 and many other Programers are still students, often at reasonably decent universities as well.
I wasn't talking about those who can manage both, but those who quit education completely to focus purely on becoming a progamer.
If you can keep up with both, by all means go ahead!
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On November 13 2010 23:17 KaiserJohan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 23:11 kataa wrote:On November 13 2010 23:09 KaiserJohan wrote:
I love starcraft and am a hardcore gamer, but I would never trade education for progaming.
Heck, Qxc, Day9 and many other Programers are still students, often at reasonably decent universities as well. I wasn't talking about those who can manage both, but those who quit education completely to focus purely on becoming a progamer. If you can keep up with both, by all means go ahead!
this is small part of the population which brings phenomenal entertainment to us, and I give a lot of respect to them. I think you should pursue ur dream no matter expect, if its anti-society.
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Everyone in this thread is getting way WAY WAY too far off the original point. Which was:
If you want to do something you love in life and you think it will make you happy, even if it isn't deemed as "correct" by society, then go for it. Life is too short to focus on something you hate, especially if you're doing it because other people said it was the right thing to do.
It has nothing to do with which job is better, how much money you make, what your friends think, whatever.
A perfect example is actually my situation in life, or should I say one of my best friends. He has a great job that coincidentally he got after dropping out of school at 15 (lol what a failure right?). He works as an engineer for rolls royce making airplane engines. He was making around £35k at the age of 20, was getting sent to university all expenses paid to get any qualification he wanted (which was related to his job ofc), had the oppertunity to move up the company extremely quickly if he so wished.
Now, alot of people would say "wow that's great he must be really happy" etc etc. the fact is though he CHOSE not to move up in the company, he knew that if he did so he would just get piled up with work so he stuck with his starting postion (which still makes the same (above average) wage in the UK). he loves his free time and as a group of friends we travel around alot, do so many different things which he couldn't do if he took on more responsibility in the company.
Now, heres the interesting part. We are actually planning to move to another country (with a better quality of living) because we don't want to do the 9 to 5 thing. afew of our friends have already moved, and we are planning to move with them in the summer next year. He is willing to give up his job, which would allow him to live comfortably with the chance of moving up in the company and making obcene ammounts of money, to go and move to another country and work for a relatively low wage. He is willing to do this because it would mean he had a relaxed life style, all our friends are there, the quality of living is so much higher and we could just do what we enjoy. We arn't naive, we know it won't be all roses, but it will be a hell of alot better than pissing away our lives in the UK.
Personally I have been to University, I have a degree in Computer Science. Wow big fucking deal, it has literally done nothing for my life, I would have been better off dropping out of school and getting some solid work experience. I have made the decision I don't want to have a 9 to 5 job working in the shitty UK, surrounded by idiots, bad weather, high taxes and generally bad standards of living.
Overall, I think the people arguing that John was "wrong" (the very concept that what he said is wrong is simply absurd by the way, since it's his opinion on his life) Havn't lived life or have a very naive closed view of how life works. They are most likely brainwashed adolescents who believe the only way to live life is to get a degree and progress up the career ladder. And it actually makes me sad, that kids these days think that is the only option they have in life. It's probably more a reflection of the poor teaching we have nowadays (Which isn't necessarily the teachers faults themselves) which leads to this sad state of affairs. That's a totally different topic though.
Anyway to return to the topic. Yes, the idea of moving to another country like that may fall flat on it's face. We are going there travelling for a year at least to see how it goes, we can always pull out and come back with our qualifications if things don't go as planned. But you know what? At least we can say that we tried to do something we just wanted to do.
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Is pointless to discuss the meaning of life or the thing that make us truly haplessness.
BECAUSE WE ALL DIFFERENT! Thats the first thing that the haters need to see.
If you happing working 8hours per day doing a "normal" job good for you man. Just because other kid wants to be pro gamer/commenting games/ be a professional nerd with pc??? Who cares...
He is doing the things he love, you can hate but, wait? Who the fuck are you to say that he is doing a bad thing???
Is his life not yours, and if you spend much time thinking about the others life or judgment their lives you are just a "poor" soul and that is hard to cure.
.Nothing is impossible?? True but depends of type of person you are ^_^
Go fight for your dreams but dont forget allways KEEP IT REAL!
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Yeah sakarabu is right, for those of you who keep fighting about what is a "wasted life", "money isn't everything" etc, its off topic and also a good word of advice: arguing over those issues or any other existentialism contruct for that matter will get you nowhere ( the arab-israeli conflict is a good example). Regarding Junkka's so-called "epic" speech, its too clique and too overrated, therefore this thread should be closed, or completely deleted if possible, i feel like an idiot for even writing in this thread ( damn you Junkka).
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