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On November 13 2010 21:55 butchji wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 21:53 DminusTerran wrote:On November 13 2010 21:49 butchji wrote:Sad thing is he most likely indeed is wasting his life. (Working for GOM won't pay the bills forever, eh?  Also what will ZergBong do? (Dunno maybe he has a Doctor of Medicine or smth) He has barely any time left being a progamer and you can't live with that 80K $ forever. So you definition of wasted life is anyone who doesn't have their PHD, lol ok bro. That's just how the world rolls, "bro". Maybe he thinks he wasted his life when he is an unemployed 50yo, maybe it all worked out just fine. I don't know.
Some people work to live, others live to work. You fall into the second category and it's probably pretty hard to understand the opposite point of view.
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On November 13 2010 22:52 FreeRice wrote:
What the life coaches in this thread haven't mentioned is that there are also people who try to live a "normal" life and fail at it as well. They're stuck in a dead end job, not going anywhere and unable to leave the situation they're in.
So what's the difference between those people and those who choose their own path and fail? I mean Mr. Normal failed at life too, he just did something "accepted" by society. Is there a special consolation prize for that? :/
It's less likely.
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On November 13 2010 22:39 butchji wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 22:30 Aus.Force wrote:On November 13 2010 22:28 butchji wrote:On November 13 2010 22:25 Aus.Force wrote:On November 13 2010 21:49 butchji wrote:Sad thing is he most likely indeed is wasting his life. (Working for GOM won't pay the bills forever, eh? Also what will ZergBong do? (Dunno maybe he has a Doctor of Medicine or smth) He has barely any time left being a progamer and you can't live with that 80K $ forever. Sir Richard Branson, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch etc would beg to differ. Its people like you that are generally wasting their lives actually mate. Doctors/Lawyers and so on may have a fancy piece of paper and a "high paying sector job" but do you think they are all happy? Why would you honestly think that people who do something different are wasting their lives? They love what they do, they work hard at what they do, and they make a living. Not everyone aspires to make a 6 figure salary and live in a penthouse apartment. Most people (the general working sector) only have a high school education, but they are happy with their families and friends. Then as John's whole post was saying (the point you obviously completely missed) there are the people who do things outside the box (except e sports where they play inside the box >.>), and they are successful. It is the people who don't give a shit about being rich. The are so happy and are content with living off what they earn. Its these people that move the world forward. The people that pioneer and revolutionise. Look at the names i mentioned above. None of them were your role model Doctors of Medicine, yet they are some of the most successful people in the world. Where are your doctors of medicine on these rich lists? More ironically, the most inspirational "doctors of medicine" are those that do the job for the passion, and not the money. The nobel prize winners that go to war torn countries, impoverished countries, and disease ridden parts of the world. They are underfunded, and underpaid, yet they persevere due to passion. Fred Hollows for example (look him up). John's speech was an example of doing something for love, and not for greed or social acceptance. Do what you love, you only live once, so why waste your time on something your not happy with. I can't believe i actually wrote this =/ Naiivty does that i guess I know there exist exceptions to the rule. You could've named Lim Yo Hwan, too. i could have, but according to you, he is wasting his life Look. I just mentioned the extreme high risk that being a progamer takes. Of course it worked out well for LimYoHwan. But he said himself he was just hanging out in internet cafes instead of going to school... his parents thought he was wasting his life, too. Now imagine if he had a little less talent and didn't make it to the biggest eSport figure of all time. In fact you don't have to imagine it because there are tons of unknown unsuccessful ones... Of course it's not only in progaming like that. Eminem being a successful rapper while thousands trying to be like him still are in the ghettos.
Alright, I'm probably pissing into the wind here, but this sort of thinking really just bothers me. Maybe because it reminds me of a kind of naivete and rigid thinking that I was once guilty of - I don't know.
Here's the fundamental problem. By all appearances, you've only got one shot at life. (If you choose to believe something other than that, that is your prerogative and your gamble.) People have created a concept of "success" in life, and lots of different people from different backgrounds have filled this idea with their own narrative. In the modern, developed world, this narrative seems to be that "success" means ending up with a high paying job and a nice family.
Really? Is this supposed to apply to everyone? Is everyone supposed to be happy with $150k/yr, a wife and kids, a fancy car, and a house with a white picket fence? In America, that's pretty much the definition of success.
Fuck. That. Some people seem to be fine with that mental image. I'm not, and I'm sure that lots of other people aren't either. You only live once. It is your burden to make the most of the time that you have on this earth. True value does not stem from possessions but from experiences. Experiences are what shape us as human beings. Memory and experience are things that cannot ever be taken from us without destroying who we are. Your fancy car and your house might disappear when you lose your job or the stock market crashes; if you were once the greatest Starcraft 2 player in the world, it doesn't matter what other people think of your achievement. That STAYS with you.
And sure, I'm a conformist. I'm in college. I'm getting an undergrad in engineering.
But I don't want the sports car or the white picket fence. My degree is a tool to ensure I can get the most out of life - because, sometimes, doing what you really want to do takes money. And, sometimes, it takes years and years to finally achieve your goals. But if you are passionate and persistent, you can create memories - not things - for yourself that will hold meaning and value forever. Memories go to the grave with you.
Be brave enough to create your own definition of success, or you will not be able to look back on your life with anything approximating satisfaction.
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On November 13 2010 22:52 FreeRice wrote:
What the life coaches in this thread haven't mentioned is that there are also people who try to live a "normal" life and fail at it as well. They're stuck in a dead end job, not going anywhere and unable to leave the situation they're in.
So what's the difference between those people and those who choose their own path and fail? I mean Mr. Normal failed at life too, he just did something "accepted" by society. Is there a special consolation prize for that? :/
There's nothing wrong with being in a dead end job if you are happy. I'll never understand why people believe that you need to be successful in order to lead a fulfilled life.
I'd rather be happy than anything else. If you aren't happy, who gives a shit what else you have?
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FFS, Progamers only give entertainment to people who watch esports, not the general public. The reason why progamer's contributions aren't as much as your athlete, actor, etc is because the majority of the people in our society look down on gaming. Harsh? Yes indeed, but thats life, and as long as esports is looked down on by those people, it will never really be a contribution to society, which i think is unfair but hey thats life, you just gotta deal with it, whether you like it or not.
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There's not a whole lot of people who live their lives according to doing what they love, the typical 9-5 guy doesn't work their day job out of passion - but purely out of necessity. I really don't care for comparisons to extremely successful entrepreneurs because we're talking about common interests and less about if "living lavishly = happier life".
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I'd rather live in a dump, work part time, and make just enough to get by than have any kind of "success" like that. And I'd prefer that option about as strongly as I'd prefer a delicious steak dinner over a poop sandwich.
and why not to be a Successful layer with happy family ? its not impossible.
its like saying he got money but no heart... bullshit
great speach
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On November 13 2010 22:54 SgtMuffins wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 22:39 butchji wrote:On November 13 2010 22:30 Aus.Force wrote:On November 13 2010 22:28 butchji wrote:On November 13 2010 22:25 Aus.Force wrote:On November 13 2010 21:49 butchji wrote:Sad thing is he most likely indeed is wasting his life. (Working for GOM won't pay the bills forever, eh? Also what will ZergBong do? (Dunno maybe he has a Doctor of Medicine or smth) He has barely any time left being a progamer and you can't live with that 80K $ forever. Sir Richard Branson, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch etc would beg to differ. Its people like you that are generally wasting their lives actually mate. Doctors/Lawyers and so on may have a fancy piece of paper and a "high paying sector job" but do you think they are all happy? Why would you honestly think that people who do something different are wasting their lives? They love what they do, they work hard at what they do, and they make a living. Not everyone aspires to make a 6 figure salary and live in a penthouse apartment. Most people (the general working sector) only have a high school education, but they are happy with their families and friends. Then as John's whole post was saying (the point you obviously completely missed) there are the people who do things outside the box (except e sports where they play inside the box >.>), and they are successful. It is the people who don't give a shit about being rich. The are so happy and are content with living off what they earn. Its these people that move the world forward. The people that pioneer and revolutionise. Look at the names i mentioned above. None of them were your role model Doctors of Medicine, yet they are some of the most successful people in the world. Where are your doctors of medicine on these rich lists? More ironically, the most inspirational "doctors of medicine" are those that do the job for the passion, and not the money. The nobel prize winners that go to war torn countries, impoverished countries, and disease ridden parts of the world. They are underfunded, and underpaid, yet they persevere due to passion. Fred Hollows for example (look him up). John's speech was an example of doing something for love, and not for greed or social acceptance. Do what you love, you only live once, so why waste your time on something your not happy with. I can't believe i actually wrote this =/ Naiivty does that i guess I know there exist exceptions to the rule. You could've named Lim Yo Hwan, too. i could have, but according to you, he is wasting his life Look. I just mentioned the extreme high risk that being a progamer takes. Of course it worked out well for LimYoHwan. But he said himself he was just hanging out in internet cafes instead of going to school... his parents thought he was wasting his life, too. Now imagine if he had a little less talent and didn't make it to the biggest eSport figure of all time. In fact you don't have to imagine it because there are tons of unknown unsuccessful ones... Of course it's not only in progaming like that. Eminem being a successful rapper while thousands trying to be like him still are in the ghettos. Alright, I'm probably pissing into the wind here, but this sort of thinking really just bothers me. Maybe because it reminds me of a kind of naivete and rigid thinking that I was once guilty of - I don't know. Here's the fundamental problem. By all appearances, you've only got one shot at life. (If you choose to believe something other than that, that is your prerogative and your gamble.) People have created a concept of "success" in life, and lots of different people from different backgrounds have filled this idea with their own narrative. In the modern, developed world, this narrative seems to be that "success" means ending up with a high paying job and a nice family. Really? Is this supposed to apply to everyone? Is everyone supposed to be happy with $150k/yr, a wife and kids, a fancy car, and a house with a white picket fence? In America, that's pretty much the definition of success. Fuck. That. Some people seem to be fine with that mental image. I'm not, and I'm sure that lots of other people aren't either. You only live once. It is your burden to make the most of the time that you have on this earth. True value does not stem from possessions but from experiences. Experiences are what shape us as human beings. Memory and experience are things that cannot ever be taken from us without destroying who we are. Your fancy car and your house might disappear when you lose your job or the stock market crashes; if you were once the greatest Starcraft 2 player in the world, it doesn't matter what other people think of your achievement. That STAYS with you. And sure, I'm a conformist. I'm in college. I'm getting an undergrad in engineering. But I don't want the sports car or the white picket fence. My degree is a tool to ensure I can get the most out of life - because, sometimes, doing what you really want to do takes money. And, sometimes, it takes years and years to finally achieve your goals. But if you are passionate and persistent, you can create memories - not things - for yourself that will hold meaning and value forever. Memories go to the grave with you. Be brave enough to create your own definition of success, or you will not be able to look back on your life with anything approximating satisfaction.
Did you direct American Beauty? 
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On November 13 2010 22:54 butchji wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 22:52 FreeRice wrote:
What the life coaches in this thread haven't mentioned is that there are also people who try to live a "normal" life and fail at it as well. They're stuck in a dead end job, not going anywhere and unable to leave the situation they're in.
So what's the difference between those people and those who choose their own path and fail? I mean Mr. Normal failed at life too, he just did something "accepted" by society. Is there a special consolation prize for that? :/ It's less likely.
Uhh, recession, unemployment rates are up. What is this "less likely" you speak of?
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On November 13 2010 22:39 Chocobo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 22:31 Shockk wrote:
As much as the speech appealed to my sense of nerd pride, Junkka's wrong.
I do like the idea of being proud of what you do, especially since I'm a gamer myself and playing video games as a hobby still is a social stigma here and there. But encouraging gamers to just be passionate about gaming and saying they'll eventually turn that into an advantage? No sir, that won't work for 99% of people. He isn't WRONG... he's just encouraging people to try to do what they love. But of course you have to be realistic about it. Obviously it's not a good idea for a 30 apm gold leaguer to drop out of college and move to Korea just because he really loves the GSL.
Maybe I phrased that a bit too harsh. Of course I don't recommend gold leaguers to drop everything and move to Korea. With "being passionate about gaming" I meant pretty much everything, from progamers to developers to casters or even translators like Junkka. There are much, much more people wanting to do this kind of stuff than there are spots available.
And another thing regarding "normal jobs".
Why are so many people acting like it's the worst thing in the world to live an average life? Do you actually believe that so many people work 9-5, buy a house, marry and have kids because they're mindless zombie slaves to society, blindly following some tradition instilled into them?
I actually LOVE my job (I work as an instructor). I can't wait to have kids. And some day, for sure, I'll buy or build my own house. That's my idea of a good life.
Face it: Not only will most people never become rockstars/athletes/progamers (or GomTV translators, for that matter), NO, it's also not the one and only guaranteed way to happiness.
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On November 13 2010 22:52 FreeRice wrote:
What the life coaches in this thread haven't mentioned is that there are also people who try to live a "normal" life and fail at it as well. They're stuck in a dead end job, not going anywhere and unable to leave the situation they're in.
So what's the difference between those people and those who choose their own path and fail? I mean Mr. Normal failed at life too, he just did something "accepted" by society. Is there a special consolation prize for that? :/
Haha yeah I guess, according to this thread there are two paths in life. Something in esports or something that will get you above 6 figures a year.
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How do you controll people best? By taking their minds off of the bad things.
The Romans did it back with their colloseum. Part of the reason there was peace in most of the empire was due to these games helping people from forgetting the bad things that happen around them.
Saying that anything is worth nothing to society is a misconception. You could say that the only thing productive people can do is grow crops for themselves. I work in the webdesign industry, and yes. if the internet was to suddenly explode I would be unemployed too. Then again, if electricity was destroyed because of some solar flare bs then more than half of the working population in the west would be jobless.
I do believe that just giving up on everything and doing whatever you like until you can get paid for it is admireable, yet risky. Then again, if all you did was study for some doctors or lawyers degree for 8 years and then you lose your eye due to a mismicro. All that life-macro would have been nulified.
I just think it is silly that we are discussing what people are worth jobwise in the STARCRAFT 2 GENERAL DISCUSSION FORUM. I could expect this in the general forum, but really? This is just a starcraft 2 forum.
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On November 13 2010 22:55 ace246 wrote:
FFS, Progamers only give entertainment to people who watch esports, not the general public. The reason why progamer's contributions aren't as much as your athlete, actor, etc is because the majority of the people in our society look down on gaming. Harsh? Yes indeed, but thats life, and as long as esports is looked down on by those people, it will never really be a contribution to society, which i think is unfair but hey thats life, you just gotta deal with it, whether you like it or not.
ummm. that was the whole point of John's speech.....
he's saying if it makes you happy, then do it. if you want it, have a go at it.... don't just go by what is "socially acceptable"
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Being happy and working a normal job isn't mutually exclusive. I don't think anyone's arguing that. This entire thing started because one poster decided to define happiness as basically someone who has a doctorate or is making 6 figures.
Which made me laugh.
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this thread got sucky fast.
john rulz <3
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I just want to reiterate the words of JP: FUCK THE HATERS JOHN YOU'RE THE MAN!
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On November 13 2010 22:56 butchji wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 22:54 SgtMuffins wrote:On November 13 2010 22:39 butchji wrote:On November 13 2010 22:30 Aus.Force wrote:On November 13 2010 22:28 butchji wrote:On November 13 2010 22:25 Aus.Force wrote:On November 13 2010 21:49 butchji wrote:Sad thing is he most likely indeed is wasting his life. (Working for GOM won't pay the bills forever, eh? Also what will ZergBong do? (Dunno maybe he has a Doctor of Medicine or smth) He has barely any time left being a progamer and you can't live with that 80K $ forever. Sir Richard Branson, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch etc would beg to differ. Its people like you that are generally wasting their lives actually mate. Doctors/Lawyers and so on may have a fancy piece of paper and a "high paying sector job" but do you think they are all happy? Why would you honestly think that people who do something different are wasting their lives? They love what they do, they work hard at what they do, and they make a living. Not everyone aspires to make a 6 figure salary and live in a penthouse apartment. Most people (the general working sector) only have a high school education, but they are happy with their families and friends. Then as John's whole post was saying (the point you obviously completely missed) there are the people who do things outside the box (except e sports where they play inside the box >.>), and they are successful. It is the people who don't give a shit about being rich. The are so happy and are content with living off what they earn. Its these people that move the world forward. The people that pioneer and revolutionise. Look at the names i mentioned above. None of them were your role model Doctors of Medicine, yet they are some of the most successful people in the world. Where are your doctors of medicine on these rich lists? More ironically, the most inspirational "doctors of medicine" are those that do the job for the passion, and not the money. The nobel prize winners that go to war torn countries, impoverished countries, and disease ridden parts of the world. They are underfunded, and underpaid, yet they persevere due to passion. Fred Hollows for example (look him up). John's speech was an example of doing something for love, and not for greed or social acceptance. Do what you love, you only live once, so why waste your time on something your not happy with. I can't believe i actually wrote this =/ Naiivty does that i guess I know there exist exceptions to the rule. You could've named Lim Yo Hwan, too. i could have, but according to you, he is wasting his life Look. I just mentioned the extreme high risk that being a progamer takes. Of course it worked out well for LimYoHwan. But he said himself he was just hanging out in internet cafes instead of going to school... his parents thought he was wasting his life, too. Now imagine if he had a little less talent and didn't make it to the biggest eSport figure of all time. In fact you don't have to imagine it because there are tons of unknown unsuccessful ones... Of course it's not only in progaming like that. Eminem being a successful rapper while thousands trying to be like him still are in the ghettos. Alright, I'm probably pissing into the wind here, but this sort of thinking really just bothers me. Maybe because it reminds me of a kind of naivete and rigid thinking that I was once guilty of - I don't know. Here's the fundamental problem. By all appearances, you've only got one shot at life. (If you choose to believe something other than that, that is your prerogative and your gamble.) People have created a concept of "success" in life, and lots of different people from different backgrounds have filled this idea with their own narrative. In the modern, developed world, this narrative seems to be that "success" means ending up with a high paying job and a nice family. Really? Is this supposed to apply to everyone? Is everyone supposed to be happy with $150k/yr, a wife and kids, a fancy car, and a house with a white picket fence? In America, that's pretty much the definition of success. Fuck. That. Some people seem to be fine with that mental image. I'm not, and I'm sure that lots of other people aren't either. You only live once. It is your burden to make the most of the time that you have on this earth. True value does not stem from possessions but from experiences. Experiences are what shape us as human beings. Memory and experience are things that cannot ever be taken from us without destroying who we are. Your fancy car and your house might disappear when you lose your job or the stock market crashes; if you were once the greatest Starcraft 2 player in the world, it doesn't matter what other people think of your achievement. That STAYS with you. And sure, I'm a conformist. I'm in college. I'm getting an undergrad in engineering. But I don't want the sports car or the white picket fence. My degree is a tool to ensure I can get the most out of life - because, sometimes, doing what you really want to do takes money. And, sometimes, it takes years and years to finally achieve your goals. But if you are passionate and persistent, you can create memories - not things - for yourself that will hold meaning and value forever. Memories go to the grave with you. Be brave enough to create your own definition of success, or you will not be able to look back on your life with anything approximating satisfaction. Did you direct American Beauty?
I've never seen it, and that's an awfully hand-waving dismissal. I'm not going to try to "save" you from what I perceive as your flawed way of thinking, but it's pretty terrible to see people eaten up by their conceptions of what they "should" do rather than what they really want. Take a minute to think about it.
The real gift that most of us have received was being born into countries and situations that permit us to take just about whatever path we want with our lives. There's no guarantee of success - there never is - but we're the beneficiaries of a freedom that was not extended to the vast majority of our ancestors. It is a travesty that so many people confine themselves to a rigid and limited set of options for the life that they will only live once.
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On November 13 2010 22:37 ace246 wrote:
Guys, you have to realise that butchji is right for the wrong reasons. Someone like a lawyer, ceo or anyother high class career gets high pay because THEY ACTUALLY MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY. I don't think its right to say that someone "wasted" their life because they aren't doing something which has high salary like progaming which doesn't have large paychecks (unless your one of the best) but because for what its worth, its a game, it doesn't save people's lives or help lives (unless you consider gaming as helping lives). But just because butchji's reason is wrong, doesn't mean progamers are as deserving of respect like doctors, lawyers, etc. A game is still a game, lets not overrate it please.
What about actors, directors, musicians, authors and other entertainers? They are not 'contributing to the community' according to your definition there. Not to mention sports stars, e-sports is exactly the same as all these things its there for entertainment when watched.
But just because butchji's reason is wrong, doesn't mean progamers are as deserving of respect like doctors, lawyers,
Thousands of people would beg to differ and millions more if we lump e-sports under its general category of sports.
Next time think before you post a load of garbage.
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On November 13 2010 22:54 SgtMuffins wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 22:39 butchji wrote:On November 13 2010 22:30 Aus.Force wrote:On November 13 2010 22:28 butchji wrote:On November 13 2010 22:25 Aus.Force wrote:On November 13 2010 21:49 butchji wrote:Sad thing is he most likely indeed is wasting his life. (Working for GOM won't pay the bills forever, eh? Also what will ZergBong do? (Dunno maybe he has a Doctor of Medicine or smth) He has barely any time left being a progamer and you can't live with that 80K $ forever. Sir Richard Branson, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch etc would beg to differ. Its people like you that are generally wasting their lives actually mate. Doctors/Lawyers and so on may have a fancy piece of paper and a "high paying sector job" but do you think they are all happy? Why would you honestly think that people who do something different are wasting their lives? They love what they do, they work hard at what they do, and they make a living. Not everyone aspires to make a 6 figure salary and live in a penthouse apartment. Most people (the general working sector) only have a high school education, but they are happy with their families and friends. Then as John's whole post was saying (the point you obviously completely missed) there are the people who do things outside the box (except e sports where they play inside the box >.>), and they are successful. It is the people who don't give a shit about being rich. The are so happy and are content with living off what they earn. Its these people that move the world forward. The people that pioneer and revolutionise. Look at the names i mentioned above. None of them were your role model Doctors of Medicine, yet they are some of the most successful people in the world. Where are your doctors of medicine on these rich lists? More ironically, the most inspirational "doctors of medicine" are those that do the job for the passion, and not the money. The nobel prize winners that go to war torn countries, impoverished countries, and disease ridden parts of the world. They are underfunded, and underpaid, yet they persevere due to passion. Fred Hollows for example (look him up). John's speech was an example of doing something for love, and not for greed or social acceptance. Do what you love, you only live once, so why waste your time on something your not happy with. I can't believe i actually wrote this =/ Naiivty does that i guess I know there exist exceptions to the rule. You could've named Lim Yo Hwan, too. i could have, but according to you, he is wasting his life Look. I just mentioned the extreme high risk that being a progamer takes. Of course it worked out well for LimYoHwan. But he said himself he was just hanging out in internet cafes instead of going to school... his parents thought he was wasting his life, too. Now imagine if he had a little less talent and didn't make it to the biggest eSport figure of all time. In fact you don't have to imagine it because there are tons of unknown unsuccessful ones... Of course it's not only in progaming like that. Eminem being a successful rapper while thousands trying to be like him still are in the ghettos. Alright, I'm probably pissing into the wind here, but this sort of thinking really just bothers me. Maybe because it reminds me of a kind of naivete and rigid thinking that I was once guilty of - I don't know. Here's the fundamental problem. By all appearances, you've only got one shot at life. (If you choose to believe something other than that, that is your prerogative and your gamble.) People have created a concept of "success" in life, and lots of different people from different backgrounds have filled this idea with their own narrative. In the modern, developed world, this narrative seems to be that "success" means ending up with a high paying job and a nice family. Really? Is this supposed to apply to everyone? Is everyone supposed to be happy with $150k/yr, a wife and kids, a fancy car, and a house with a white picket fence? In America, that's pretty much the definition of success. Fuck. That. Some people seem to be fine with that mental image. I'm not, and I'm sure that lots of other people aren't either. You only live once. It is your burden to make the most of the time that you have on this earth. True value does not stem from possessions but from experiences. Experiences are what shape us as human beings. Memory and experience are things that cannot ever be taken from us without destroying who we are. Your fancy car and your house might disappear when you lose your job or the stock market crashes; if you were once the greatest Starcraft 2 player in the world, it doesn't matter what other people think of your achievement. That STAYS with you. And sure, I'm a conformist. I'm in college. I'm getting an undergrad in engineering. But I don't want the sports car or the white picket fence. My degree is a tool to ensure I can get the most out of life - because, sometimes, doing what you really want to do takes money. And, sometimes, it takes years and years to finally achieve your goals. But if you are passionate and persistent, you can create memories - not things - for yourself that will hold meaning and value forever. Memories go to the grave with you. Be brave enough to create your own definition of success, or you will not be able to look back on your life with anything approximating satisfaction.
Good post =D
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On November 13 2010 22:50 ace246 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 22:44 shaunnn wrote:On November 13 2010 22:37 ace246 wrote:
Guys, you have to realise that butchji is right for the wrong reasons. Someone like a lawyer, ceo or anyother high class career gets high pay because THEY ACTUALLY MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY. I don't think its right to say that someone "wasted" their life because they aren't doing something which has high salary like progaming which doesn't have large paychecks (unless your one of the best) but because for what its worth, its a game, it doesn't save people's lives or help lives (unless you consider gaming as helping lives). But just because butchji's reason is wrong, doesn't mean progamers are as deserving of respect like doctors, lawyers, etc. A game is still a game, lets not overrate it please. I find it funny that the two examples of contributing to the community you listed were highly payed CEOs and lawyers rofl they make more contribution than a progamer will ever do in their life time
Thats completely debatable and impossible to argue because you cant quantify the exact average amount of contribution each profession makes, but what my point is that the two examples you used are on average thought of as professions which leach from society for their own personal gain, most lawyers charging insane amounts to defend you in court and in some cases keeping criminals from going to jail on technicalitys, ceos making decisions to fire tons of people/cutting peoples pay etc, i just found it funny that they were the examples, wasnt disagreeing or agreeing
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