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On November 13 2010 22:22 Kluwn wrote:
" I'm gonna be talking my own things now as there isn't anything important to translate.
First of all I'd like to say I have a great respect for NesTea not just because he won the tournament but because this guy had the courage to do what he wanted to do and proved he was right.I'm saying this because too many people even in Korea consider playing games is a waste of time.I, myself, was unemployed for 2 years *laughs*, bout a year and a half before I joined GOM.All I did was play games at home and my friends would say that I'm wasting my life.Well...uhm..who's laughing now ?. I asked them " Can you honestly say that you like your job " and I asked them " Do you have a fan who draws a fanart just for you ? ". That shuts them up.
So everytime you feel ashamed of being a nerd and your friends, teachers, neighbours and even parents think gaming is a waste of time you'll remember there's no such thing as wasting life as long as you have the courage to do what you like and be passionate about it.You'll remember , if NesTea listened to all those critics he wouldn't be standing there with a trophy and you'll remember that even if you feel nobody around you supports you that I, Jay, Artosis and Tasteless, everyone in GOM will support you.Why ? Because we believe in esports. *someone in the backgroud :"wow" * *Junkka laughs* .I actually prepared this"
Sorry if I butchered any words.
<3
Thank you sir.
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On November 13 2010 21:49 butchji wrote:Sad thing is he most likely indeed is wasting his life. (Working for GOM won't pay the bills forever, eh?  Also what will ZergBong do? (Dunno maybe he has a Doctor of Medicine or smth) He has barely any time left being a progamer and you can't live with that 80K $ forever.
Sir Richard Branson, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch etc would beg to differ.
Its people like you that are generally wasting their lives actually mate. Doctors/Lawyers and so on may have a fancy piece of paper and a "high paying sector job" but do you think they are all happy?
Why would you honestly think that people who do something different are wasting their lives? They love what they do, they work hard at what they do, and they make a living. Not everyone aspires to make a 6 figure salary and live in a penthouse apartment. Most people (the general working sector) only have a high school education, but they are happy with their families and friends.
Then as John's whole post was saying (the point you obviously completely missed) there are the people who do things outside the box (except e sports where they play inside the box >.>), and they are successful. It is the people who don't give a shit about being rich. The are so happy and are content with living off what they earn.
Its these people that move the world forward. The people that pioneer and revolutionise. Look at the names i mentioned above. None of them were your role model Doctors of Medicine, yet they are some of the most successful people in the world. Where are your doctors of medicine on these rich lists? More ironically, the most inspirational "doctors of medicine" are those that do the job for the passion, and not the money. The nobel prize winners that go to war torn countries, impoverished countries, and disease ridden parts of the world. They are underfunded, and underpaid, yet they persevere due to passion. Fred Hollows for example (look him up).
John's speech was an example of doing something for love, and not for greed or social acceptance. Do what you love, you only live once, so why waste your time on something your not happy with.
I can't believe i actually wrote this =/ Naiivty does that i guess
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shoutout to john. man of the year.
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someone in the backgroud
Wasn't that Artosis?
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On November 13 2010 22:25 Aus.Force wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 21:49 butchji wrote:Sad thing is he most likely indeed is wasting his life. (Working for GOM won't pay the bills forever, eh? Also what will ZergBong do? (Dunno maybe he has a Doctor of Medicine or smth) He has barely any time left being a progamer and you can't live with that 80K $ forever. Sir Richard Branson, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch etc would beg to differ. Its people like you that are generally wasting their lives actually mate. Doctors/Lawyers and so on may have a fancy piece of paper and a "high paying sector job" but do you think they are all happy? Why would you honestly think that people who do something different are wasting their lives? They love what they do, they work hard at what they do, and they make a living. Not everyone aspires to make a 6 figure salary and live in a penthouse apartment. Most people (the general working sector) only have a high school education, but they are happy with their families and friends. Then as John's whole post was saying (the point you obviously completely missed) there are the people who do things outside the box (except e sports where they play inside the box >.>), and they are successful. It is the people who don't give a shit about being rich. The are so happy and are content with living off what they earn. Its these people that move the world forward. The people that pioneer and revolutionise. Look at the names i mentioned above. None of them were your role model Doctors of Medicine, yet they are some of the most successful people in the world. Where are your doctors of medicine on these rich lists? More ironically, the most inspirational "doctors of medicine" are those that do the job for the passion, and not the money. The nobel prize winners that go to war torn countries, impoverished countries, and disease ridden parts of the world. They are underfunded, and underpaid, yet they persevere due to passion. Fred Hollows for example (look him up). John's speech was an example of doing something for love, and not for greed or social acceptance. Do what you love, you only live once, so why waste your time on something your not happy with. I can't believe i actually wrote this =/ Naiivty does that i guess
I know there exist exceptions to the rule. You could've named Lim Yo Hwan, too.
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On November 13 2010 22:22 Kluwn wrote:
" I'm gonna be talking my own things now as there isn't anything important to translate.
First of all I'd like to say I have a great respect for NesTea not just because he won the tournament but because this guy had the courage to do what he wanted to do and proved he was right.I'm saying this because too many people even in Korea consider playing games is a waste of time.I, myself, was unemployed for 2 years *laughs*, bout a year and a half before I joined GOM.All I did was play games at home and my friends would say that I'm wasting my life.Well...uhm..who's laughing now ?. I asked them " Can you honestly say that you like your job " and I asked them " Do you have a fan who draws a fanart just for you ? ". That shuts them up.
So everytime you feel ashamed of being a nerd and your friends, teachers, neighbours and even parents think gaming is a waste of time you'll remember there's no such thing as wasting life as long as you have the courage to do what you like and be passionate about it.You'll remember , if NesTea listened to all those critics he wouldn't be standing there with a trophy and you'll remember that even if you feel nobody around you supports you that I, Jay, Artosis and Tasteless, everyone in GOM will support you.Why ? Because we believe in esports. *someone in the backgroud :"wow" * *Junkka laughs* .I actually prepared this"
Sorry if I butchered any words.
<3
That was simply... wow.
<3 John.
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Should edit the first post in the thread and put that transcript there =)
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I was thinking someone should re-post John's fanart as mentioned in the speech, then I decided to just do it myself. Here you go.
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On November 13 2010 22:28 butchji wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 22:25 Aus.Force wrote:On November 13 2010 21:49 butchji wrote:Sad thing is he most likely indeed is wasting his life. (Working for GOM won't pay the bills forever, eh? Also what will ZergBong do? (Dunno maybe he has a Doctor of Medicine or smth) He has barely any time left being a progamer and you can't live with that 80K $ forever. Sir Richard Branson, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch etc would beg to differ. Its people like you that are generally wasting their lives actually mate. Doctors/Lawyers and so on may have a fancy piece of paper and a "high paying sector job" but do you think they are all happy? Why would you honestly think that people who do something different are wasting their lives? They love what they do, they work hard at what they do, and they make a living. Not everyone aspires to make a 6 figure salary and live in a penthouse apartment. Most people (the general working sector) only have a high school education, but they are happy with their families and friends. Then as John's whole post was saying (the point you obviously completely missed) there are the people who do things outside the box (except e sports where they play inside the box >.>), and they are successful. It is the people who don't give a shit about being rich. The are so happy and are content with living off what they earn. Its these people that move the world forward. The people that pioneer and revolutionise. Look at the names i mentioned above. None of them were your role model Doctors of Medicine, yet they are some of the most successful people in the world. Where are your doctors of medicine on these rich lists? More ironically, the most inspirational "doctors of medicine" are those that do the job for the passion, and not the money. The nobel prize winners that go to war torn countries, impoverished countries, and disease ridden parts of the world. They are underfunded, and underpaid, yet they persevere due to passion. Fred Hollows for example (look him up). John's speech was an example of doing something for love, and not for greed or social acceptance. Do what you love, you only live once, so why waste your time on something your not happy with. I can't believe i actually wrote this =/ Naiivty does that i guess I know there exist exceptions to the rule. You could've named Lim Yo Hwan, too.
i could have, but according to you, he is wasting his life
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As much as the speech appealed to my sense of nerd pride, Junkka's wrong.
Doing something with a passion and eventually turning it into a way to be successful in life may work for some hobbies and some people. Yeah, there are professional computer gamers, just as there are people earning millions with sports or making a fortune with building toy trains.
However, those are all niches. How many people on the world can actually live from playing video games? How many can do nothing but their favorite sport and become rich from doing so? Almost none, compared to the huge number of people that would like to but didn't get the chance or didn't have the luck neccessary.
I do like the idea of being proud of what you do, especially since I'm a gamer myself and playing video games as a hobby still is a social stigma here and there. But encouraging gamers to just be passionate about gaming and saying they'll eventually turn that into an advantage? No sir, that won't work for 99% of people.
And by the way: Who says you can't find joy and fulfillment in a "normal" job? I, for my part, did.
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On November 13 2010 22:28 butchji wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 22:25 Aus.Force wrote:On November 13 2010 21:49 butchji wrote:Sad thing is he most likely indeed is wasting his life. (Working for GOM won't pay the bills forever, eh? Also what will ZergBong do? (Dunno maybe he has a Doctor of Medicine or smth) He has barely any time left being a progamer and you can't live with that 80K $ forever. Sir Richard Branson, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch etc would beg to differ. Its people like you that are generally wasting their lives actually mate. Doctors/Lawyers and so on may have a fancy piece of paper and a "high paying sector job" but do you think they are all happy? Why would you honestly think that people who do something different are wasting their lives? They love what they do, they work hard at what they do, and they make a living. Not everyone aspires to make a 6 figure salary and live in a penthouse apartment. Most people (the general working sector) only have a high school education, but they are happy with their families and friends. Then as John's whole post was saying (the point you obviously completely missed) there are the people who do things outside the box (except e sports where they play inside the box >.>), and they are successful. It is the people who don't give a shit about being rich. The are so happy and are content with living off what they earn. Its these people that move the world forward. The people that pioneer and revolutionise. Look at the names i mentioned above. None of them were your role model Doctors of Medicine, yet they are some of the most successful people in the world. Where are your doctors of medicine on these rich lists? More ironically, the most inspirational "doctors of medicine" are those that do the job for the passion, and not the money. The nobel prize winners that go to war torn countries, impoverished countries, and disease ridden parts of the world. They are underfunded, and underpaid, yet they persevere due to passion. Fred Hollows for example (look him up). John's speech was an example of doing something for love, and not for greed or social acceptance. Do what you love, you only live once, so why waste your time on something your not happy with. I can't believe i actually wrote this =/ Naiivty does that i guess I know there exist exceptions to the rule. You could've named Lim Yo Hwan, too.
Exceptions to the rule? What rule? The one defined by the people who conform to the false reality that they exist? There are no rules, only those with no passion for following their dreams.
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Best thing since D9D #100 
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On November 13 2010 22:31 Shockk wrote:
As much as the speech appealed to my sense of nerd pride, Junkka's wrong.
Doing something with a passion and eventually turning it into a way to be successful in life may work for some hobbies and some people. Yeah, there are professional computer gamers, just as there are people earning millions with sports or making a fortune with building toy trains.
However, those are all niches. How many people on the world can actually live from playing video games? How many can do nothing but their favorite sport and become rich from doing so? Almost none, compared to the huge number of people that would like to but didn't get the chance or didn't have the luck neccessary.
I do like the idea of being proud of what you do, especially since I'm a gamer myself and playing video games as a hobby still is a social stigma here and there. But encouraging gamers to just be passionate about gaming and saying they'll eventually turn that into an advantage? No sir, that won't work for 99% of people.
And by the way: Who says you can't find joy and fulfillment in a "normal" job? I, for my part, did.
I agree. The question is this - would you rather walk the safe walk, or live the dream, and get there or die trying? I think everyone values safety differently. That's all there is to it.
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On November 13 2010 22:04 HuHEN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 22:01 butchji wrote:On November 13 2010 21:58 Seriouslylol wrote:On November 13 2010 21:55 butchji wrote:On November 13 2010 21:53 DminusTerran wrote:On November 13 2010 21:49 butchji wrote:Sad thing is he most likely indeed is wasting his life. (Working for GOM won't pay the bills forever, eh? Also what will ZergBong do? (Dunno maybe he has a Doctor of Medicine or smth) He has barely any time left being a progamer and you can't live with that 80K $ forever. So you definition of wasted life is anyone who doesn't have their PHD, lol ok bro. That's just how the world rolls, "bro". Maybe he thinks he wasted his life when he is an unemployed 50yo, maybe it all worked out just fine. I don't know. So your saying the "world rolls" by having people who have a phd, and people who don't, meaning people who don't can't get by and can't pay the bills and have wasted their life. Stop for a second and think about how ridiculous you are. Stop with that PHD bullshit it was just a random achievement you can get far with in life... just replace it with anything else highly accepted by the society and/or gives you a lot of money. If you define your goals by what makes you money or what is respected by society, then you may find that it is you that has wasted your life when you look back on it.
So completely true. In one of my college business classes, we had a guest speaker come by and talk to the class. Very successful guy, worked his way up to an important spot in a well known company, has more money than I'll see in my lifetime.
During the question and answer session after his speech, he revealed that he has worked 55-60 hours a week for 20 years, his wife left him and took the kids.
I couldn't get over how much I don't want to be that guy. Spends all his time working, has no free time to enjoy his money, and it cost him his family. But according to society he's a huge success.
I'd rather live in a dump, work part time, and make just enough to get by than have any kind of "success" like that. And I'd prefer that option about as strongly as I'd prefer a delicious steak dinner over a poop sandwich.
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On November 13 2010 22:22 Kluwn wrote:
" I'm gonna be talking my own things now as there isn't anything important to translate.
First of all I'd like to say I have a great respect for NesTea not just because he won the tournament but because this guy had the courage to do what he wanted to do and proved he was right.I'm saying this because too many people even in Korea consider playing games is a waste of time.I, myself, was unemployed for 2 years *laughs*, bout a year and a half before I joined GOM.All I did was play games at home and my friends would say that I'm wasting my life.Well...uhm..who's laughing now ?. I asked them " Can you honestly say that you like your job " and I asked them " Do you have a fan who draws a fanart just for you ? ". That shuts them up.
So everytime you feel ashamed of being a nerd and your friends, teachers, neighbours and even parents think gaming is a waste of time you'll remember there's no such thing as wasting life as long as you have the courage to do what you like and be passionate about it.You'll remember , if NesTea listened to all those critics he wouldn't be standing there with a trophy and you'll remember that even if you feel nobody around you supports you that I, Jay, Artosis and Tasteless, everyone in GOM will support you.Why ? Because we believe in esports. *someone in the backgroud :"wow" * *Junkka laughs* .I actually prepared this"
Sorry if I butchered any words.
<3
Thanks a lot. I missed this and was wondering what he was talking about exactly...
Nice speech!! And I agree 100% with him!
I had a friend a few years back who played games 24/7 and I spent my time mostly with friends and going outside etc. Once I told him that he should think about him wasting his life. He then told me that he does think about it some times but that he always comes to the conclusion that he doesnt consider gaming as a waste of time, since he enjoys it so much. Everything else he could have done in that time would have been less fun for him so there are no regrets.
When I thought about it, I agreed with him. I just did not think this way before.
I like that john may open some peoples eyes here. Ofc, not everyone has to agree and not everyone has to make this choice. But people should stop calling it a "waste of time" when actually people are just doing what they want.... It is a far way from there to being really addicted so this should not be a valid argument since it is not true for 99.99% + of all gamers
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On November 13 2010 22:28 butchji wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2010 22:25 Aus.Force wrote:On November 13 2010 21:49 butchji wrote:Sad thing is he most likely indeed is wasting his life. (Working for GOM won't pay the bills forever, eh? Also what will ZergBong do? (Dunno maybe he has a Doctor of Medicine or smth) He has barely any time left being a progamer and you can't live with that 80K $ forever. Sir Richard Branson, Bill Gates, Rupert Murdoch etc would beg to differ. Its people like you that are generally wasting their lives actually mate. Doctors/Lawyers and so on may have a fancy piece of paper and a "high paying sector job" but do you think they are all happy? Why would you honestly think that people who do something different are wasting their lives? They love what they do, they work hard at what they do, and they make a living. Not everyone aspires to make a 6 figure salary and live in a penthouse apartment. Most people (the general working sector) only have a high school education, but they are happy with their families and friends. Then as John's whole post was saying (the point you obviously completely missed) there are the people who do things outside the box (except e sports where they play inside the box >.>), and they are successful. It is the people who don't give a shit about being rich. The are so happy and are content with living off what they earn. Its these people that move the world forward. The people that pioneer and revolutionise. Look at the names i mentioned above. None of them were your role model Doctors of Medicine, yet they are some of the most successful people in the world. Where are your doctors of medicine on these rich lists? More ironically, the most inspirational "doctors of medicine" are those that do the job for the passion, and not the money. The nobel prize winners that go to war torn countries, impoverished countries, and disease ridden parts of the world. They are underfunded, and underpaid, yet they persevere due to passion. Fred Hollows for example (look him up). John's speech was an example of doing something for love, and not for greed or social acceptance. Do what you love, you only live once, so why waste your time on something your not happy with. I can't believe i actually wrote this =/ Naiivty does that i guess I know there exist exceptions to the rule. You could've named Lim Yo Hwan, too.
Now please, how much are you making a year? How old are you to judge people's preferences on life? Do you have a JD or a MD?
Or are you someone who thinks he's smart and got it all figured out, when you are actually a loser day dreaming in your basement?
If you actually make more than average I would be really surprised, because everyone I know earning a high salary understands money does not equal happiness.
Being successful requires a lot of work, dedication and most importantly, love in what you are doing.
Which is exactly what people like Junkka and nestea are advocating.
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On November 13 2010 22:31 Shockk wrote:
As much as the speech appealed to my sense of nerd pride, Junkka's wrong.
Doing something with a passion and eventually turning it into a way to be successful in life may work for some hobbies and some people. Yeah, there are professional computer gamers, just as there are people earning millions with sports or making a fortune with building toy trains.
However, those are all niches. How many people on the world can actually live from playing video games? How many can do nothing but their favorite sport and become rich from doing so? Almost none, compared to the huge number of people that would like to but didn't get the chance or didn't have the luck neccessary.
I do like the idea of being proud of what you do, especially since I'm a gamer myself and playing video games as a hobby still is a social stigma here and there. But encouraging gamers to just be passionate about gaming and saying they'll eventually turn that into an advantage? No sir, that won't work for 99% of people.
And by the way: Who says you can't find joy and fulfillment in a "normal" job? I, for my part, did.
I think it shouldn't be interpreted as solely an encouragement to gamers, he's just saying that you're supposed to do what you believe in and what you're happy with. It's great that you've found a job that you're happy with, as far as I'm concerned you're living the dream. As long as you're proud of what you're doing it's great, it doesn't require that you become a progamer or a revolutionary artist as long as you're happy with it. Happiness>money.
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On November 13 2010 22:27 Eleclight wrote:Wasn't that Artosis?
I thought it was Jay (the other korean translator) since they were both translating at the time.
I've said it before in dj wheat's blog entry on professionalism... but it's passion from people like dj wheat, day9 and Junkka that's going to make esports grow. Hopefully maybe in the coming years, Esports would be taken seriously worldwide and people won't see it as a "failure" or a waste of time.
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