EPTso yeah
>:I
Why is ZvZ hated? - Page 3
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SkCom
Canada229 Posts
so yeah >:I | ||
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OPSavioR
Sweden1465 Posts
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Lea
Sweden120 Posts
I really think ZvZ is fun to watch. I had a friend who basically did a ZvZ game after the othes got wiped out. I think ZvZ is really dynamic thanks to the creep. PvP however... like others have said, it usually just comes down to who has the most colossi :/ And I guess TvT is just as boring, as it probably comes down to who got the largest bio ball. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
usually can enter midgame atleast on equal footing and just go from there. that said i do hate the cheesiness and buildorder wins of ZvZ. but once that phase its over its a fun matchup to play. | ||
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Piski
Finland3461 Posts
ZvZ is quite fragile and usually one base baneling play into muta.. Always | ||
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
On October 03 2010 22:41 sob3k wrote: Going roach in SC2 ZvZ is like going hydra in BW ZvZ, yes, you can not die immediately, but you give up all of your map control and scouting information. In short, its bad. No.. i think youre exaggerating it alot because infestors counter ling/muta play very hard, and you can get queens as additional antiair that doesnt cost gas. | ||
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Zvendetta
United States321 Posts
This match up I think really emphasizes CONTROL over anything- Only in ZvZ where exceptional micro CAN outpower exceptional macro. People I think get extremely frustrated when banelings can turn the entire game around. It makes for some serious gameplay though- Being able to field your army in ZvZ is how you win- positioning of lings, blings, roaches... In TvT, there are a LOT of different tech options you can take, and protoss almost always has to get the robo bay in PvP- but in zerg... Its whoever can manage their armies the most wins Its sad though because I've never played a ZvZ where I've actually gotten to hive tech- Getting ultras is nye impossible to do. Infester is the the best tech you can hope for within reason. | ||
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breakingties
United Kingdom72 Posts
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greycubed
United States615 Posts
On October 03 2010 21:15 evilm0nkey wrote: Everyone because they're not as smart as you. Who said it's hated? Afaik it's the most fun mirror matchup. | ||
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
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Firesemi
Australia87 Posts
When it gets to the muta stage try mixing in two corruptors and use corruption it gives you a big edge vs mutas. Banelings blowing up drones statement i feel is just so stupid. If they get banes to your drones it means you can do basic micro of pulling drones and killing banes with lings. I'm not sure what standard of people your playing against but sending in one ling at a target bane will 99% of the time kill that bane. Have you ever opened up a spine/spore opening? Ever microed two spines to insta kill banes? Had enough scouting/game sense to engage his mutas everytime he tries to harrass so your not losing all your drones? Have you even used infestors in a ZvZ match up? (im talking using all their abilities not just fungal) Can you actually scout a zerg base since they cant wall in to spot the speedling all in, bane all in, roach opener, fast mutas? Do you know a good way to sim city your base to make you baneline immune? Have you actually tried walling off with zerg? The only thing ive found that doesnt work in ZvZ is hydras, ive never seen anyone or myself use them sucessfully with eventually losing. | ||
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Ghad
Norway2551 Posts
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
On October 03 2010 23:21 Ghad wrote: Everytime i see hydras I make 6 banelings and win the game. fungal growth is very strong against banelings, so its not that easy. and banelings suck vs queens. | ||
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lagbzz
Poland171 Posts
 Rush for drones. I like ZvZ. I don't like that whole muta race though. Maybe it's because I don't like mutas in general, after playing terrran x) | ||
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SlowBlink
United States102 Posts
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JustPlay
United States211 Posts
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Zips
United States146 Posts
I'd like to see more competitive zerg mirror matchups, just to see how the game progresses on a pro-level. That seems unlikely for now, though.. but I think the reason most people dislike ZvZ is how dangerous and effective blings are. It's like 2 loose blings in your base can change the entire game -- which can be pretty nerve racking. | ||
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JTWStephens
United States60 Posts
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
On October 03 2010 22:45 bokchoi wrote: Sorry, but there is absolutely no luck in ling+bane war. You have to blame yourself for your losses.I've had some crazy ZvZs, but for the most part its usually just a Ling (Bane + Zerg) War, and whoever gets lucky wins. I think thats the biggest problem: a lot of the time it isn't so much skill as it is luck. One good/bad baneling is game-changing. There's a lot of very effective all-in play and overall stupid playstyles in ZvZ. Also, I actually LOVE it when someone goes Roach in ZvZ because I've never lost to someone who roached. IMO one of the most important parts of ling/baneling mirrors is overlord positioning. It's not hard to play defensively with banelings while teching quickly if you have your overlords scouting ahead of your ramp for you. A few banelings spread out above your ramp and a group of speedlings to stop suicide lings can constantly defend against ling/bling all-ins. ZvZ is an awesome matchup, my favorite mirror by far. It's just a little intense so after a few I'm pretty tired :s | ||
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
People don't like ZvZs cause it's very hard and intense MU. You need to know exactly what your opponent is doing and a single mistake and lose you a game. | ||
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