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Just something i need to point out about Tylers speech about latency. I have about two years of college course experience within network engineering, so i have at least the basic knowledge about routing/latency.
Yes you can still play well with constant mid/high latency. The problem is that IP routing between continents have many router hops and different ISP's peer with different other providers. Two koreans living a block away from eachother using different ISP's might have totally different gaming experiences.
I've said this before but here's my real life example:
I had low stable ping from sweden to a WoW server in france (i think i was) for more than a year. Either my route to the server was changed or a router in the path started malfunctioning. The effect was stable, low ping coupled with 500+ ping and disconnects. A friend of mine living less than a mile away from me had <50 ping and no problems at all. And sweden->france is still just a stone throw away compared to cross continent.
The koreans really should have practiced on the US server to see if their latency was stable or not beforehand. Seems like some experienced problems while others did not, something that hopefully will be fixed automatically when koreans learn what providers are best for cross continent stability/latency.
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On March 31 2011 04:40 karpo wrote:
Just something i need to point out about Tylers speech about latency. I have about two years of college course experience within network engineering, so i have at least the basic knowledge about routing/latency.
Yes you can still play well with constant mid/high latency. The problem is that IP routing between continents have many router hops and different ISP's peer with different other providers. Two koreans living a block away from eachother using different ISP's might have totally different gaming experiences.
I've said this before but here's my real life example:
I had low stable ping from sweden to a WoW server in france (i think i was) for more than a year. Either my route to the server was changed or a router in the path started malfunctioning. The effect was stable, low ping coupled with 500+ ping and disconnects. A friend of mine living less than a mile away from me had <50 ping and no problems at all. And sweden->france is still just a stone throw away compared to cross continent.
The koreans really should have practiced on the US server to see if their latency was stable or not beforehand. Seems like some experienced problems while others did not, something that hopefully will be fixed automatically when koreans learn what providers are best for cross continent stability/latency.
From what I heard, the oGs teamhouse has a better ISP than the other ones for that, which is the reason why NaDa wasnt really bothered by the lag.
On another topic : just watched the last SoTG, and it was really illarious to hear Tyler's predictions about the world championship knowing the results.
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I gotta say I enjoy tylers analysis, I just wish he played zerg so he can give a better response about what some of these Z players could've done vs P.
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Is anyone else having issues getting episode 32 to start downloading on iTunes? I've tried unsubscribing and resubscribing but no luck =(
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Ignore the haters Nony; most of them are newbies that came in at the start of sc2 and don't recognize an insightful player when they see one.
Also, the strategic discussion between Sean and Tyler was great. Hopefully we can hear more of it in future episodes.
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Did anyone work out the date that the current lineup was decided?
I wanna knowwwww ^^
Edit: Ah, its 15.9.10 I'm so awesome, took me 5 minutes ^^
http://goodluckhavefun.org/index.php
Type in 15.9.10 for access ^^.
Don't understand what its for though  .
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On March 30 2011 20:55 Rylaji wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 20:51 mcbrite wrote:On March 30 2011 20:44 Rylaji wrote:
And yes, its my OPINION so comments like "Omg tyler speaks the truth!!!!!!" wont affect me <3 It's alright, nobody cares about your opinion anyway... If you're a hopeless MC fanboy go right ahead... Why not? Just don't discredit other peoples opinion, which may often be a lot more valid than yours anyway... I dont discredit anyone's opinion. Tyler has the full right to think and speak what he does, but I have the same right to say that I dont agree. And I dont see how other opinions are more valid, they are not facts. They are opinions, there is a difference.
cool story bro
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On March 30 2011 23:16 syllogism wrote:
The tendency on TL, for most spectators, is to just gush about the one who won, when that player largely won due to his opponent making terrible, fundamental mistakes. If you point these errors out, everyone just jumps on you. You can recognize these errors despite not being a high level player yourself. Of course quite often someone just gets outplayed, but just as often the other guy is just playing bad.
Coming from the person who was defending Idra after the Idra vs Cruncher match. Hypocrisy much?
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On March 31 2011 02:23 Zuor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 20:32 Cajun2k1 wrote:
I don't think Destiny will make it to the RO16 @ MLG, but I'm 100% sure that he'll do way better than InControl will in NASL. Haha. You're a joke.
Incontrol is without a shadow of a doubt the worst, or second worst, player in his division - based on both objective results at least.
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On March 31 2011 07:35 resilve wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 02:23 Zuor wrote:On March 30 2011 20:32 Cajun2k1 wrote:
I don't think Destiny will make it to the RO16 @ MLG, but I'm 100% sure that he'll do way better than InControl will in NASL. Haha. You're a joke. Incontrol is without a shadow of a doubt the worst, or second worst, player in his division - based on both objective results at least.
Yet he is miles better than Destiny... You do know the groups are just for seeding and that incontrol can go 0-4 in his group and still be in a better position than Destiny right?
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great episode.
just wanna say that when it comes to matchup/balance talk we really need a nonP opinion.
i dont blame anyone. its just not possible to be not be biased and fully see/understand the other races view on situations. but i just feel that alot of what could be great indepth analysis of games/matchups often ends up as "captain hindsight says: he shouldve done X and Y and he maybe wins!" parts.
just quickly call up idra or whoever fits in the situation and let him rage abit so a real discussion starts ~
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On March 31 2011 07:37 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 07:35 resilve wrote:On March 31 2011 02:23 Zuor wrote:On March 30 2011 20:32 Cajun2k1 wrote:
I don't think Destiny will make it to the RO16 @ MLG, but I'm 100% sure that he'll do way better than InControl will in NASL. Haha. You're a joke. Incontrol is without a shadow of a doubt the worst, or second worst, player in his division - based on both objective results at least. Yet he is miles better than Destiny... You do know the groups are just for seeding and that incontrol can go 0-4 in his group and still be in a better position than Destiny right?
I am not comparing them directly, that is impossible.
I am saying that smack talking on behalf of a player you like, at the expense of another player, is not so smart to do when they suck. Destiny might suck too, he might suck more than incontrol, or less.
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oh no Someone thinks I am worse than PainUser, Slush and TLO... what ever shall I do.
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On March 31 2011 08:03 iNcontroL wrote:oh no Someone thinks I am worse than PainUser, Slush and TLO... what ever shall I do.
you could give them all $10,000 and a handjob, and they would still complain
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On March 31 2011 08:03 iNcontroL wrote:oh no Someone thinks I am worse than PainUser, Slush and TLO... what ever shall I do.
Go, fight, win?
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On March 30 2011 23:40 AllinOne wrote:
That would be another solution imo:
- either increase dmg on warp in units by 100%
- and/or simply kill units that are warping in, when pylon or warp prisms is killed
When i think about it right now that would be the easiest fix for rushes too.
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I really liked this episode! Tyler's analysis was were spot on. Only sad that incontrol didn't flame that much or impersonate someone 
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On March 31 2011 08:10 susySquark wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2011 23:40 AllinOne wrote:
That would be another solution imo:
- either increase dmg on warp in units by 100%
- and/or simply kill units that are warping in, when pylon or warp prisms is killed
When i think about it right now that would be the easiest fix for rushes too.
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Units warping in are not killed, they are canceled. Protoss get the money back.
This basically means there is no risk in warping in, ever, when a pylon is being attacked. (obviously unless there are too many units to beat if your units finish, making them a waste) Units don't even take extra damage while warping in like people though for a long time.
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On March 31 2011 08:03 iNcontroL wrote:oh no Someone thinks I am worse than PainUser, Slush and TLO... what ever shall I do.
win some games and prove em wrong? not sure the starcraft world is ready for an iNcontroL who has the results behind him though, it's bad enough now 
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