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karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 21:20:59
March 30 2011 19:40 GMT
#13081
Just something i need to point out about Tylers speech about latency. I have about two years of college course experience within network engineering, so i have at least the basic knowledge about routing/latency.

Yes you can still play well with constant mid/high latency. The problem is that IP routing between continents have many router hops and different ISP's peer with different other providers. Two koreans living a block away from eachother using different ISP's might have totally different gaming experiences.

I've said this before but here's my real life example:

I had low stable ping from sweden to a WoW server in france (i think i was) for more than a year. Either my route to the server was changed or a router in the path started malfunctioning. The effect was stable, low ping coupled with 500+ ping and disconnects. A friend of mine living less than a mile away from me had <50 ping and no problems at all. And sweden->france is still just a stone throw away compared to cross continent.

The koreans really should have practiced on the US server to see if their latency was stable or not beforehand. Seems like some experienced problems while others did not, something that hopefully will be fixed automatically when koreans learn what providers are best for cross continent stability/latency.
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 21:38:08
March 30 2011 21:35 GMT
#13082
On March 31 2011 04:40 karpo wrote:
Just something i need to point out about Tylers speech about latency. I have about two years of college course experience within network engineering, so i have at least the basic knowledge about routing/latency.

Yes you can still play well with constant mid/high latency. The problem is that IP routing between continents have many router hops and different ISP's peer with different other providers. Two koreans living a block away from eachother using different ISP's might have totally different gaming experiences.

I've said this before but here's my real life example:

I had low stable ping from sweden to a WoW server in france (i think i was) for more than a year. Either my route to the server was changed or a router in the path started malfunctioning. The effect was stable, low ping coupled with 500+ ping and disconnects. A friend of mine living less than a mile away from me had <50 ping and no problems at all. And sweden->france is still just a stone throw away compared to cross continent.

The koreans really should have practiced on the US server to see if their latency was stable or not beforehand. Seems like some experienced problems while others did not, something that hopefully will be fixed automatically when koreans learn what providers are best for cross continent stability/latency.


From what I heard, the oGs teamhouse has a better ISP than the other ones for that, which is the reason why NaDa wasnt really bothered by the lag.

On another topic : just watched the last SoTG, and it was really illarious to hear Tyler's predictions about the world championship knowing the results.
DARKHYDRA
Profile Joined September 2006
United States303 Posts
March 30 2011 21:53 GMT
#13083
I gotta say I enjoy tylers analysis, I just wish he played zerg so he can give a better response about what some of these Z players could've done vs P.
darksage78
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada243 Posts
March 30 2011 21:58 GMT
#13084
Is anyone else having issues getting episode 32 to start downloading on iTunes? I've tried unsubscribing and resubscribing but no luck =(
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djcube
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States985 Posts
March 30 2011 22:07 GMT
#13085
Ignore the haters Nony; most of them are newbies that came in at the start of sc2 and don't recognize an insightful player when they see one.

Also, the strategic discussion between Sean and Tyler was great. Hopefully we can hear more of it in future episodes.
Arcanewinds
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom197 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 22:13:24
March 30 2011 22:09 GMT
#13086
Did anyone work out the date that the current lineup was decided?

I wanna knowwwww ^^

Edit: Ah, its 15.9.10 I'm so awesome, took me 5 minutes ^^

http://goodluckhavefun.org/index.php

Type in 15.9.10 for access ^^.

Don't understand what its for though .
zyglrox
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1168 Posts
March 30 2011 22:22 GMT
#13087
On March 30 2011 20:55 Rylaji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 20:51 mcbrite wrote:
On March 30 2011 20:44 Rylaji wrote:
And yes, its my OPINION so comments like "Omg tyler speaks the truth!!!!!!" wont affect me <3


It's alright, nobody cares about your opinion anyway... If you're a hopeless MC fanboy go right ahead... Why not? Just don't discredit other peoples opinion, which may often be a lot more valid than yours anyway...



I dont discredit anyone's opinion. Tyler has the full right to think and speak what he does, but I have the same right to say that I dont agree. And I dont see how other opinions are more valid, they are not facts. They are opinions, there is a difference.



cool story bro
champagne for my real friends, and real pain for my sham friends.
LagT_T
Profile Joined March 2010
Argentina535 Posts
March 30 2011 22:29 GMT
#13088
On March 30 2011 23:16 syllogism wrote:
The tendency on TL, for most spectators, is to just gush about the one who won, when that player largely won due to his opponent making terrible, fundamental mistakes. If you point these errors out, everyone just jumps on you. You can recognize these errors despite not being a high level player yourself. Of course quite often someone just gets outplayed, but just as often the other guy is just playing bad.


Coming from the person who was defending Idra after the Idra vs Cruncher match. Hypocrisy much?
"The tactics... no. Amateurs discuss tactics, professional soldiers study logistics." - Tom Clancy, Red Storm Rising
resilve
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom678 Posts
March 30 2011 22:35 GMT
#13089
On March 31 2011 02:23 Zuor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 20:32 Cajun2k1 wrote:
I don't think Destiny will make it to the RO16 @ MLG, but I'm 100% sure that he'll do way better than InControl will in NASL.


Haha. You're a joke.


Incontrol is without a shadow of a doubt the worst, or second worst, player in his division - based on both objective results at least.
Socke Fighting!!!!
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
March 30 2011 22:37 GMT
#13090
On March 31 2011 07:35 resilve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 02:23 Zuor wrote:
On March 30 2011 20:32 Cajun2k1 wrote:
I don't think Destiny will make it to the RO16 @ MLG, but I'm 100% sure that he'll do way better than InControl will in NASL.


Haha. You're a joke.


Incontrol is without a shadow of a doubt the worst, or second worst, player in his division - based on both objective results at least.


Yet he is miles better than Destiny... You do know the groups are just for seeding and that incontrol can go 0-4 in his group and still be in a better position than Destiny right?
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BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
March 30 2011 22:42 GMT
#13091
great episode.

just wanna say that when it comes to matchup/balance talk we really need a nonP opinion.

i dont blame anyone. its just not possible to be not be biased and fully see/understand the other races view on situations. but i just feel that alot of what could be great indepth analysis of games/matchups often ends up as "captain hindsight says: he shouldve done X and Y and he maybe wins!" parts.


just quickly call up idra or whoever fits in the situation and let him rage abit so a real discussion starts ~
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 30 2011 22:44 GMT
#13092
lol
resilve
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom678 Posts
March 30 2011 22:44 GMT
#13093
On March 31 2011 07:37 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 07:35 resilve wrote:
On March 31 2011 02:23 Zuor wrote:
On March 30 2011 20:32 Cajun2k1 wrote:
I don't think Destiny will make it to the RO16 @ MLG, but I'm 100% sure that he'll do way better than InControl will in NASL.


Haha. You're a joke.


Incontrol is without a shadow of a doubt the worst, or second worst, player in his division - based on both objective results at least.


Yet he is miles better than Destiny... You do know the groups are just for seeding and that incontrol can go 0-4 in his group and still be in a better position than Destiny right?


I am not comparing them directly, that is impossible.

I am saying that smack talking on behalf of a player you like, at the expense of another player, is not so smart to do when they suck. Destiny might suck too, he might suck more than incontrol, or less.
Socke Fighting!!!!
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 30 2011 23:03 GMT
#13094
oh no Someone thinks I am worse than PainUser, Slush and TLO... what ever shall I do.
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
March 30 2011 23:05 GMT
#13095
On March 31 2011 08:03 iNcontroL wrote:
oh no Someone thinks I am worse than PainUser, Slush and TLO... what ever shall I do.



you could give them all $10,000 and a handjob, and they would still complain
Are you hurting ESPORTS? Find out today - http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=232866
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
March 30 2011 23:06 GMT
#13096
On March 31 2011 08:03 iNcontroL wrote:
oh no Someone thinks I am worse than PainUser, Slush and TLO... what ever shall I do.


Go, fight, win?
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
March 30 2011 23:10 GMT
#13097
On March 30 2011 23:40 AllinOne wrote:
That would be another solution imo:

- either increase dmg on warp in units by 100%
- and/or simply kill units that are warping in, when pylon or warp prisms is killed

When i think about it right now that would be the easiest fix for rushes too.




Bolded already happens
Finrod1
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany3997 Posts
March 30 2011 23:10 GMT
#13098
I really liked this episode! Tyler's analysis was were spot on. Only sad that incontrol didn't flame that much or impersonate someone
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 23:19:57
March 30 2011 23:13 GMT
#13099
On March 31 2011 08:10 susySquark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 23:40 AllinOne wrote:
That would be another solution imo:

- either increase dmg on warp in units by 100%
- and/or simply kill units that are warping in, when pylon or warp prisms is killed

When i think about it right now that would be the easiest fix for rushes too.




Bolded already happens


Units warping in are not killed, they are canceled. Protoss get the money back.

This basically means there is no risk in warping in, ever, when a pylon is being attacked. (obviously unless there are too many units to beat if your units finish, making them a waste) Units don't even take extra damage while warping in like people though for a long time.
Are you hurting ESPORTS? Find out today - http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=232866
pieman819
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia457 Posts
March 30 2011 23:16 GMT
#13100
On March 31 2011 08:03 iNcontroL wrote:
oh no Someone thinks I am worse than PainUser, Slush and TLO... what ever shall I do.

win some games and prove em wrong? not sure the starcraft world is ready for an iNcontroL who has the results behind him though, it's bad enough now
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