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{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
March 30 2011 14:18 GMT
#13061
one of the better podcasts i must say even thou the incontrol picture was disturbing...to say the least
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
GeorgeForeman
Profile Joined April 2005
United States1746 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 14:23:34
March 30 2011 14:22 GMT
#13062
On March 30 2011 21:57 AllinOne wrote:
Lots of stuff about changing pylons, etc. to nerf 4-gate.

This seems like far too much to me.

If you want a slight nerf for super-fast 4-gating (and 4-gating in general), the simplest way IMO would be to remove vision for units warping in. That is, when you warp in a unit, it does not grant you vision until its finished warping in. This curtails those plays where a toss builds a pylon next to the opponent's ramp and "walks" warping in zealots up it or alternatively runs a stalker up and warps in zealots on the high ground. These plays are currently so effective because the units warping in grant vision for the stalkers on the ground to shoot as well as vision for further warp-ins. So even if the stalker you've just run up the ramp dies instantly, as long as you got in 1 warp, you can add in 3 more. Removing vision from warping in units makes it so you have to keep that stalker alive if you want to warp in or you have to wait the 5s until your units are done warping on the high ground.

I don't think the change would be massive, but that's half the point. It's a subtle nerf that affects literally NO other part of the game. But it makes the 4-gate just a little easier to defend, which I find appealing.
like a school bus through a bunch of kids
AllinOne
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany79 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 14:56:01
March 30 2011 14:40 GMT
#13063
I really don't know where the idea comes from that my post is about 4 gate...

4 gate is only one application of it and the most obvious one.

It is about WARP INS!
The whole mechanic that enables a building that you build anyway to be a free teleport to anywhere on the map.
Drop, harass, reinforcement and positional play are all massively influenced by this.

Right now there is no real limit on the warp ins.
If you compare it to nydus worm:
Tech cost, building cost, low hp and A SCREAM

Every race normally has to invest time into tech or transport units that needs gas to make the mobility/versatility of the warpgate happen.

And there is still the risk factor that needs to be adressed:
Right now the bonus dmg on warp in units is hardy noticable even if you lose some shields while warping in. This is way better than waiting for that unit to run 1 min over the whole map to reinforce your troops like the other races.

That would be another solution imo:

- either increase dmg on warp in units by 100%
- and/or simply kill units that are warping in, when pylon or warp prisms is killed

When i think about it right now that would be the easiest fix for rushes too.


itmeJP
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1101 Posts
March 30 2011 14:53 GMT
#13064
Everything has been posted on the blogger site.

Preshow
Twitter.com/itmeJP -- Twitch.tv/itmeJP -- YouTube.com/itmeJP
sdrawkcab_
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway113 Posts
March 30 2011 14:59 GMT
#13065
This really was one of the best shows. It had a very good balance between joking, drama and in-depth discussion of games/tournaments/players.
bentski
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada31 Posts
March 30 2011 15:26 GMT
#13066
On March 30 2011 20:44 Rylaji wrote:
Man I hope Tyler gets MC in TSL 3 so I can hear his excuses when he loses. Im sorry, I like Tyler most times but being such a downer in SOTG all the time about PvP and MC in general is getting tiresome =(

And yes, its my OPINION so comments like "Omg tyler speaks the truth!!!!!!" wont affect me <3


I just want to say that I've never heard Tyler "give excuses" when he loses.

He's always like, "I'm disappointed in myself. I should have played better. I don't have a good excuse"

What's awesome about Tyler is that he's just as critical of his own play as he is of everyone else's, so hopefully you'll become more of a Tyler fan as you see that.
times ten
xzumiex
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium100 Posts
March 30 2011 15:47 GMT
#13067
Really like Tyler's how he explains PvP, he just tells stuff which the top players think. (only P ofc)
Go Tyler
Frunkis
Profile Joined August 2010
United States146 Posts
March 30 2011 16:26 GMT
#13068
What was the dimaga game that ended in a disconnect? Anyone know where the video is?
Uhnno
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands288 Posts
March 30 2011 16:32 GMT
#13069
On March 30 2011 23:13 EchOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 20:44 Rylaji wrote:
Man I hope Tyler gets MC in TSL 3 so I can hear his excuses when he loses. Im sorry, I like Tyler most times but being such a downer in SOTG all the time about PvP and MC in general is getting tiresome =(

And yes, its my OPINION so comments like "Omg tyler speaks the truth!!!!!!" wont affect me <3

How in the world does criticism of professional peers amount to being a downer? Mood, satisfaction, affect, whatever factors you think contribute to... a downer... are all irrelevant to the goal of critical gameplay discussion: sterile analysis and dissection of why a game turned out as it did, then finally salvaging brilliance and excising mistakes.

All professional competitors benefit from being hyper critical of themselves and others in order to learn, grow, and improve their play. Even a non-competitor like Day9 has repeated explicitly how hard he is on himself, and how he'll settle for nothing less than the best from his own efforts. It's simply a productive mentality.


This is very much true. And I totally loved the reaction of Incontrol and the spot on description of the analysis from Tyler. Professional and critical thinking is what improves the play of yourself and the game as a whole. This comes with practice and looking it from a neutral or objective standpoint. Calling that a downer with no real argumentation is negative and is not constructive critism.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
March 30 2011 16:36 GMT
#13070
On March 30 2011 20:32 Cajun2k1 wrote:
I don't think Destiny will make it to the RO16 @ MLG, but I'm 100% sure that he'll do way better than InControl will in NASL.


Amazing prediction. He went 0-0 in NASL (spoiler)

Hope I can do better...
thee telescopes
Profile Joined August 2010
321 Posts
March 30 2011 16:41 GMT
#13071
Really fun show this week. Been a great week for SC2 in general.
-Ziggy-
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden97 Posts
March 30 2011 16:45 GMT
#13072
phisku
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Belgium864 Posts
March 30 2011 16:50 GMT
#13073
I'm tired of stopping and starting the download over and over again, I CAN'T WAIT I WANT TO LISTEN TEH DAMN PODCAST!
Resolve
Profile Joined August 2010
Singapore679 Posts
March 30 2011 17:04 GMT
#13074
best part of the show was when idra messaged jp while they were discussing idra/cruncher "tell those fuckers i always rush ovie speed. it's not in time cuz the race is broken." tyler and day9's face totally changed from serious to "wtf lol"!
Phillydilly
Profile Joined November 2010
United States73 Posts
March 30 2011 17:20 GMT
#13075
one of the best state of the games yet
Zuor
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland377 Posts
March 30 2011 17:23 GMT
#13076
On March 30 2011 20:32 Cajun2k1 wrote:
I don't think Destiny will make it to the RO16 @ MLG, but I'm 100% sure that he'll do way better than InControl will in NASL.


Haha. You're a joke.
Cain0
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom608 Posts
March 30 2011 19:12 GMT
#13077
On March 30 2011 18:54 Eury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 18:46 Cain0 wrote:
I felt so awkward when iNcontrol went to Socke "I hope you do well against everyone apart from Idra, I hope he takes you apart" or something like that, and Socke didn't get it was a joke and went "WWWHHHYYY?!?!?". I love SoTG, the biggest personalities in SC having a laugh.


I don't think you understand Socke's humor.


Probablies not. Englishmen dont understand German humor and vice versa.
Xinder
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2269 Posts
March 30 2011 19:18 GMT
#13078
Really great show. I think by far my favorite show yet. I really liked the in depth game by game analysis of TSL and I liked that incontrol opened up about Idra and the Idra vs Cruncher game analysis in general was amazing. Really hope that you guys can continue to be truthful. You guys aren't on cable so screw being PC. Tell it like it is and fuck everyone else wanting you guys to be PC.
"Daaayyyy9, King Pussyfoot of NinnyVille"- Day9 while playing Amnesia
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 19:24:12
March 30 2011 19:24 GMT
#13079
On March 31 2011 01:36 iNcontroL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 20:32 Cajun2k1 wrote:
I don't think Destiny will make it to the RO16 @ MLG, but I'm 100% sure that he'll do way better than InControl will in NASL.


Amazing prediction. He went 0-0 in NASL (spoiler)

Hope I can do better...


The gauntlet has been thrown down!

The only thing that 0-0 beats is 0-9!
duckii
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1017 Posts
March 30 2011 19:34 GMT
#13080
On March 31 2011 04:24 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 01:36 iNcontroL wrote:
On March 30 2011 20:32 Cajun2k1 wrote:
I don't think Destiny will make it to the RO16 @ MLG, but I'm 100% sure that he'll do way better than InControl will in NASL.


Amazing prediction. He went 0-0 in NASL (spoiler)

Hope I can do better...


The gauntlet has been thrown down!

The only thing that 0-0 beats is 0-9!


I would be suprised if iNcontrol can achieve a positive score in the end. The competition is very tough and he still has that monkey on his back.
Hope he does well though, glhf!
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