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The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
March 30 2011 10:28 GMT
#13041
Day[9]'s back?

DAY NINE IS BACK?!

*stops watching GSL and puts in earphones*
sdrawkcab_
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway113 Posts
March 30 2011 10:31 GMT
#13042
Has anything been done with the hosting? Because this time I did'nt have to pause/unpause. So if you did, well done and yay, and if not, yay!
Handuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden48 Posts
March 30 2011 10:49 GMT
#13043
[image loading]

Saw it on reddit, scary stuff :o
theclaw
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark4 Posts
March 30 2011 11:01 GMT
#13044
Im right handed but also use my mouse with the left hand. So its possible :p
The first computer my father had when i was a child, had the mouse on the left so i got used to it.

I can use both now, but my left hand is still better for gaming.

And also, yay for fast download on blip this time.
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 11:05:24
March 30 2011 11:04 GMT
#13045
I think day9 with a webcam is just so much better.

Maybe he felt obliged to get involved, maybe he was just very happy because he finished his thesis and went all out podcast mode, i dunno but it seems like he is wayyy more involved and that is always a good thing.

Without webcam , it seems like he just went into the background and kinda did his own thing. Not like anyone will blame him for it because we know free time is very precious for him.

But content and analysis wise, this is the best yet.

Love "special tactics" btw. Cracked me up so hard!
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
March 30 2011 11:05 GMT
#13046
yay get to meet JP at CES.
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
March 30 2011 11:06 GMT
#13047
Wow it's actually really weird seeing Day[9] all Daily style in the bottom right corner.
Cajun2k1
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands399 Posts
March 30 2011 11:32 GMT
#13048
I don't think Destiny will make it to the RO16 @ MLG, but I'm 100% sure that he'll do way better than InControl will in NASL.
How can you kill, that which has no life?
Rylaji
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden580 Posts
March 30 2011 11:44 GMT
#13049
Man I hope Tyler gets MC in TSL 3 so I can hear his excuses when he loses. Im sorry, I like Tyler most times but being such a downer in SOTG all the time about PvP and MC in general is getting tiresome =(

And yes, its my OPINION so comments like "Omg tyler speaks the truth!!!!!!" wont affect me <3
Official Fan of; Obama oGs.MC // God of War ST.JulyZerg // d.Naniwa // ST.Squirtle // SlayerS_Alicia // Emperor SlayerS_BoxeR // EG.HuK // White-Ra // MarineKing.Prime.WE // oGs.NaDa's Body // SlayerS.MMA // MvP.DongRaeGu
mcbrite
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany229 Posts
March 30 2011 11:51 GMT
#13050
On March 30 2011 20:44 Rylaji wrote:
And yes, its my OPINION so comments like "Omg tyler speaks the truth!!!!!!" wont affect me <3


It's alright, nobody cares about your opinion anyway... If you're a hopeless MC fanboy go right ahead... Why not? Just don't discredit other peoples opinion, which may often be a lot more valid than yours anyway...
Rylaji
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden580 Posts
March 30 2011 11:55 GMT
#13051
On March 30 2011 20:51 mcbrite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 20:44 Rylaji wrote:
And yes, its my OPINION so comments like "Omg tyler speaks the truth!!!!!!" wont affect me <3


It's alright, nobody cares about your opinion anyway... If you're a hopeless MC fanboy go right ahead... Why not? Just don't discredit other peoples opinion, which may often be a lot more valid than yours anyway...



I dont discredit anyone's opinion. Tyler has the full right to think and speak what he does, but I have the same right to say that I dont agree. And I dont see how other opinions are more valid, they are not facts. They are opinions, there is a difference.
Official Fan of; Obama oGs.MC // God of War ST.JulyZerg // d.Naniwa // ST.Squirtle // SlayerS_Alicia // Emperor SlayerS_BoxeR // EG.HuK // White-Ra // MarineKing.Prime.WE // oGs.NaDa's Body // SlayerS.MMA // MvP.DongRaeGu
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 12:03:55
March 30 2011 12:02 GMT
#13052
Best episode in a long time!
I am not young enough to know everything.
Uhnno
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands288 Posts
March 30 2011 12:28 GMT
#13053
On March 30 2011 20:55 Rylaji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 20:51 mcbrite wrote:
On March 30 2011 20:44 Rylaji wrote:
And yes, its my OPINION so comments like "Omg tyler speaks the truth!!!!!!" wont affect me <3


It's alright, nobody cares about your opinion anyway... If you're a hopeless MC fanboy go right ahead... Why not? Just don't discredit other peoples opinion, which may often be a lot more valid than yours anyway...



I dont discredit anyone's opinion. Tyler has the full right to think and speak what he does, but I have the same right to say that I dont agree. And I dont see how other opinions are more valid, they are not facts. They are opinions, there is a difference.



Not all opinions are equal, and this is the cold hard truth. It's like a professional movie-critic or athelete give their opinion on a subject vs the opinion of a (casual) observer. Sure they are both opinions, but you are dead wrong if you say hold equal value.

If you actually listened to Tyler's explanation on why that PvP on Shakuras was risky, he backed it up with ingame knowledge and clear observation. It was a gamble in a sense. That did NOT take away any credit for the performance of WhiteRa whatsoever.
AllinOne
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany79 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 12:58:48
March 30 2011 12:57 GMT
#13054
Protoss Warp in or Defenders Advantage Fix

After watching almost a year of Protoss games in Sc2 i would like to propose an idea that i had with the warp in mechanic:

Disclaimer: I use numbers that are about right IMO

Example for current warp gate attacks that i hope to fix:
- Here i build my warp in pylon right into your face, it takes you forever to kill it, while my army weakens your army.
- Warp in amulet templars anywhere on the map (amulet should be restored if you limit the places they can be warped in)


The Pylon Grid/Upgrade:

- You can not warp in units from normal pylons anymore
- You have to upgrade a pylon so you can warp in stuff around it
- If another pylon is in the power grid of an upgraded pylon, you can also warp in stuff there
- Upgrade unlocked on pylons with cybernetics core
- It takes 5-10 sec to upgrade a pylon (maybe even a small cost 10/10)
- when you start upgrading your pylon not powered by other pylons, shield of pylon is reduced to 0

Why the changes:

The major issue i have with the warp in mechanic (especially in PvP) is the reduction of the "Defenders Advantage".
You basically don't have any disadvantages for attacking and reinforcing.


So i try to fix it by limiting the warp in mechanic on the offensive and defensive side.

First, needing an upgrade that requires time means more units and time for the defender and less advantage for the attacker.
Second, not being able to warp in anywhere on the map with a pylon also removes some of the warp in defense and harass mechanics.

Before i go any deeper into my thought process and start writing endless essays, i would like to introduce you guys to an unit already in the game, that fixes all my changes for a protoss:

Warp Prism
You can warp in anything, anywhere!

Let's just take a step back and look at it in comparison to the ALMIGHTY PYLON in the current state of the game! (hidden shoutout ftw!)

- for 100 minerals i get not mobile warp in point, food
- for WAY TOO MUCH in comparison, i get a mobile warp in point, you can load stuff into it and costs food

My conclusion:
Unless i want to warp in into a region my probe can not reach (islands) and/or drop robo units there is no real cost effective use for warp prisms right now.

With my changes the warp prism becomes relevant again and you can still do the same things you do now.
Moreover, with my tech delay to either upgraded pylons or warp prisms, rushes and templar warp in (restore amulet) are way more tactical and have to be implemented into a strategy since you have to protect them and plan them ahead of time so you can reinforce while attacking or defending.


Since it took some time to put my thoughts into words i would really hope you guys on SotG could give some comments on my idea to fix the protoss mechanic.
I know it is not really worked out and is too big of a change for a normal patch until the next expansion.
But because of the dominance of the 4-warp gate for such a long time i think we have to not only look at the player skill but also the game mechanic part of Sc2.

Thanks in advance for spending some time reflecting on my ideas.
poundcakes
Profile Joined March 2011
Norway239 Posts
March 30 2011 13:48 GMT
#13055
Actually you can just make pylons unable to empower a warp-in of units if the warp-in point is higher up than the pylon itself. So that you cannot warp in on your enemy's ramp to gain vision of his units on the high-ground and you cannot warp-in on the high-ground from a low-ground pylon once you've gained vision. You would have to construct a pylon inside your opponents base to be able to warp in there.
The cur foretells the knell of parting day; The loafing herd winds slowly o'er the lea; The wise man homeward plods; I only stay to fiddle-faddle in a minor key.
Deleted User 108965
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1096 Posts
March 30 2011 13:50 GMT
#13056
On March 30 2011 21:28 Uhnno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2011 20:55 Rylaji wrote:
On March 30 2011 20:51 mcbrite wrote:
On March 30 2011 20:44 Rylaji wrote:
And yes, its my OPINION so comments like "Omg tyler speaks the truth!!!!!!" wont affect me <3


It's alright, nobody cares about your opinion anyway... If you're a hopeless MC fanboy go right ahead... Why not? Just don't discredit other peoples opinion, which may often be a lot more valid than yours anyway...



I dont discredit anyone's opinion. Tyler has the full right to think and speak what he does, but I have the same right to say that I dont agree. And I dont see how other opinions are more valid, they are not facts. They are opinions, there is a difference.



Not all opinions are equal, and this is the cold hard truth. It's like a professional movie-critic or athelete give their opinion on a subject vs the opinion of a (casual) observer. Sure they are both opinions, but you are dead wrong if you say hold equal value.

If you actually listened to Tyler's explanation on why that PvP on Shakuras was risky, he backed it up with ingame knowledge and clear observation. It was a gamble in a sense. That did NOT take away any credit for the performance of WhiteRa whatsoever.


his opinion might be of lesser value to you or others, but his opinion is important to himself and really that matters as much as anything
Disciple....Top 3 control in Clarion County
IzieBoy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States865 Posts
March 30 2011 13:59 GMT
#13057
lol dimaga vs nestea gonna be awesome... pretty sure dimaga will pull out some stops with some creative plays
Let's Do This! Leeeeeeeeeeeeeroy Jenkins!
da_head
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3350 Posts
March 30 2011 14:12 GMT
#13058
On March 30 2011 18:04 busbarn wrote:
here's mp3 http://a18.video2.blip.tv/10480008148114/ItmeJP-Starcraft2StateOfTheGameEP32917.mp3


here's the preshow http://itmejp.blip.tv/file/4952061?filename=ItmeJP-Starcraft2PreshowStateOfTheGameEP32135.m4v

much thanks
When they see MC Probe, all the ladies disrobe.
EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
March 30 2011 14:13 GMT
#13059
On March 30 2011 20:44 Rylaji wrote:
Man I hope Tyler gets MC in TSL 3 so I can hear his excuses when he loses. Im sorry, I like Tyler most times but being such a downer in SOTG all the time about PvP and MC in general is getting tiresome =(

And yes, its my OPINION so comments like "Omg tyler speaks the truth!!!!!!" wont affect me <3

How in the world does criticism of professional peers amount to being a downer? Mood, satisfaction, affect, whatever factors you think contribute to... a downer... are all irrelevant to the goal of critical gameplay discussion: sterile analysis and dissection of why a game turned out as it did, then finally salvaging brilliance and excising mistakes.

All professional competitors benefit from being hyper critical of themselves and others in order to learn, grow, and improve their play. Even a non-competitor like Day9 has repeated explicitly how hard he is on himself, and how he'll settle for nothing less than the best from his own efforts. It's simply a productive mentality.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-30 14:17:53
March 30 2011 14:16 GMT
#13060
The tendency on TL, for most spectators, is to just gush about the one who won, when that player largely won due to his opponent making terrible, fundamental mistakes. If you point these errors out, everyone just jumps on you. You can recognize these errors despite not being a high level player yourself. Of course quite often someone just gets outplayed, but just as often the other guy is just playing bad.
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