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Arcanne
United States1519 Posts
pretty sure you should check before stating something not true | ||
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DonaldLee
586 Posts
It is, but they still take double damage, anything over 10 will do 20, giving the shield 5 tank shots. | ||
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Horse...falcon
United States1851 Posts
But on big maps why couldn't the Protoss just walk around your giant sinkhole army. Mothership + vortex and remove a big clump of tanks from the battle. | ||
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nekuodah
England2409 Posts
On December 07 2011 15:45 hasuterrans wrote: Sometimes Artosis is completely wrong. Lol at him saying the reason we don't see mech is b/c terran pros haven't tried it or worked on it enough. I would LOVE to hear Jinro's thoughts right now. Jinro cries bio doesnt work vs protoss either even during the time of complete tvp domination, wouldnt exactly be a good input. | ||
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HypernovA
Canada556 Posts
On December 07 2011 15:44 VirgilSC2 wrote: You're predicating this on the idea that the tanks are sieged ALL the time. We've already seen interesting timing pushes with Tanks that don't have siege, but they fell off because "Well tanks need Siege Mode." Tanks do some INSANE DPS when unsieged. The point of a siege tank is to control space. Marauders do a better job than unsigned tanks and can stim, mobile and easier healing method. | ||
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kYem
United Kingdom412 Posts
Especially after hellion nerf, Zealots just kills mech without any problem even with bunch of hellions in front as they don't kill it fast enough. That's why goody himself said it doesn't work anymore ( and he is the one person who has the most experience in TvP )... | ||
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
On December 07 2011 15:33 IMoperator wrote: they need goody, avilo or jinro to talk about mech tvp Jinro has confirm that mech is bad and same as Avilo. Goody is the only one that is still using it simply because he is insane lol. I think it bad simply because it to much risk with too little return >.> | ||
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quiong
United States268 Posts
On December 07 2011 15:39 dapierow wrote: This isnt fucking masters league where people will just spam marine tank or M&M all day, these guys are fucking proffesionals in these games and will do anything necessary to win. What they're saying is that all terran professionals know that mech is stronger than any other strategy but since it is so hard no one will try to use it. which is absolutely absurd. It's not that absurd. Its like landing triple axles or whatever in figure skating. Before anyone ever successfully landed one in international competition, they still knew that IF they were successful in landing one it would basically guarantee a win based on the technical score they'd receive for such a feat. Even years after a triple axle was first landed, many skaters still would not even try to attempt them in competition, because the risk of failure was so high. It took a long time for the move to become standard. | ||
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hasuterrans
United States614 Posts
On December 07 2011 15:46 nekuodah wrote: Jinro cries bio doesnt work vs protoss either even during the time of complete tvp domination, wouldnt exactly be a good input. Jinro has spent quite a bit of time working on mech if I remember correctly, he's much better than Goody. Whether he qq's or not doesn't invalidate his professional opinion. Artosis himself was one of the biggest whiners in bw so should we not listen to him now? | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 07 2011 15:48 SheaR619 wrote: Jinro has confirm that mech is bad and same as Avilo. Goody is the only one that is still using it simply because he is insane lol. I think it bad simply because it to much risk with too little return >.> I would take Jinro's take but not avilo's hell Avilo thinks terran is the weakest race lol. | ||
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rfoster
United States1005 Posts
On December 07 2011 15:36 IMoperator wrote: I disagree with mech being harder... mech tvt and tvz is definitely easier than marine/tank or bio. I dont know how you can say that, in TvT specifically. The most harass you can pull off is helion drops. And bio actually tears up mech pretty well. Marauders with a good flank can really mess up tanks. Mech is harder in the fact that one mistake will lose you the game. Maybe you don't have to micro as hard, but the decisions you make and the unit movement is much harder, and more important. Mech vs zerg is also hard for me to pull off, because I don't know what to do vs mass roach drops all over the place; also if you move out too early the zerg can sometimes kill you, but if you don`t push out their economy becomes huge. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On December 07 2011 15:48 SheaR619 wrote: Jinro has confirm that mech is bad and same as Avilo. Goody is the only one that is still using it simply because he is insane lol. I think it bad simply because it to much risk with too little return >.> GoOdy doesn't use it anymore, in an interview he says he is training Bio now because Mech doesn't work. | ||
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Techno
1900 Posts
Mech is shit, man! | ||
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nvrs
Greece481 Posts
On December 07 2011 15:39 Al Bundy wrote: This discussion makes me want to swith to Terran and play mech in every game  Good luck with that bro | ||
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hasuterrans
United States614 Posts
On December 07 2011 15:50 AxionSteel wrote: GoOdy doesn't use it anymore, in an interview he says he is training Bio now because Mech doesn't work. In TvP. I think he's still meching in the other matchups. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9173 Posts
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
On December 07 2011 15:51 hasuterrans wrote: In TvP. I think he's still meching in the other matchups. Oh yeh my bad, thought you were talking about TvP. There's not a single player who's using mech TvP seriously apart from 2 base timings or those gimmicky thor/banshee plays. Rainbow tries it on his stream and fails miserably | ||
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
On December 07 2011 15:42 GeorgeForeman wrote: I feel like Artosis's entire argument is predicated on the idea that Goody is horrible but still has marginal success. Therefore, Mech must be better than we think. I find that very amusing. :-) goody is just an example incontrols argument is that mech sucks because no one does it. artosis thinks mech has some potential. as far my zerg brain is aware, mech vs toss sucks because of things like blink and warp prisms. Sensor towers yes, but you still need stuff there to deal with a bunch of units being warped/blinked in. (which is ez pz while youre maxing, but hard to do if you want to kill someone without having to base race.) also pros do what they already know. everyone does what they know. did you guys not see the entire start of sc2? cheese. cheese everywhere. there's still lots of stupid all ins, but soooo much more macro play compared to then. cheese stuck around because everyone did what they knew. macro play > all ins. everyone knew this, knows this etc. but people stuck with cheesy all ins because it was EASIER and it still won them games. It takes people to lose a lot and feel hopeless to start going crazy with innovation. (special cases not included) in the case of mech I think everyone thinks the mobility factor isn't overcomeable (w/e) so you combine that with the fact that MMM ghost viking is still winning an insane amount, and you've got people that don't even have a REASON to try mech out. also the conversation started not about mech, but about a tank centric army like tvz instead of pure bio just running around the map. that was a good sounding idea. I was talking to my gm terran friend and was saying how zerg deals with protoss by using awful units to transition into good units whereas terran uses mediocre units to transition into more mediocre units. there's no real late game transition. (That i've seen in tournament play anyways) I think the tank centric thing could be really, really good. anyways that's my thoughts on the strategy talk. (keep this segment coming) | ||
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stratman
Canada110 Posts
The fact that no one is using it is does NOT mean that it's not possible - incontrol was wrong for saying this. But it does suggest it might be hard to get to work (or bad). Don't see why anyone would get upset about this. There's no proof either way. It's not possible to know right now what the game will look like in a year. | ||
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VanGarde
Sweden755 Posts
The same goes for mech in TvT, hell that did not even take a patch. No one, NO ONE, not even the pro's used mech in TvT for pretty much the entire life span of Sc2. I guess a week before the koreans started meching anyone could had used the same arguments that are being flung around here right now. "if pro's are not meching in tvt then it can't be good" etc. Yet over night, people figured out how to mech in TvT and suddenly it was so strong that blizzard actually had to patch the hellion to make marines more durable against them. Don't come here and say that there is no way to make mech work in TvP. | ||
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