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On December 07 2011 15:35 AxionSteel wrote:
Well if Day9 is as good as he thinks he is, GM with all races or whatever the hell, maybe he should be trying it himself.
If mech is ever going to be popularized in tvp it is going to be by a Korean. It will be because Koreans tend to have way more solid builds. If mech is ever viable a Korean will make a super solid build that everyone will copy to make it viable. There just aren't many foreigners who can do mech and come up with such a good well through out build like Koreans can. Sad but true, so it could be viable but I doubt a foreign terran will be able to do that.
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On December 07 2011 15:35 Kiarip wrote:
^ everyone that's a terran that plays mech says it's bad against protoss
Just like zergs were saying how bad infestors were before blizzard brought attention to them with changes that didnt necessarily make them stronger, idk i can see both sides points but artosis is making a slightly better arguement IMO.
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On December 07 2011 15:35 gogatorsfoster wrote:
I have to agree with Day9 and Artosis. Mech is harder to do. But it could be stronger and win a higher percentage of games. Incontrol is not making the most sense to me :\.
COULD be stronger but if it was, why hasn't anyone tried it after a year of straight bio vP
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On December 07 2011 15:37 NGrNecris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 15:35 gogatorsfoster wrote:
I have to agree with Day9 and Artosis. Mech is harder to do. But it could be stronger and win a higher percentage of games. Incontrol is not making the most sense to me :\. COULD be stronger but if it was, why hasn't anyone tried it after a year of straight bio vP
Because it would hurt results of said terran player for awhile and there is always the possibility that mech is not viable vs protoss. By a while I am talking a couple months and thats a long time in sc2 terms especially since bio works so well.
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I love the mech discussion guys! I hope this gets people to try it more for more variety in strategies. I want to meet mech on ladder PvT.
Edit: Didn't this discussion begin just by thinking about the possibility of adding SOME tanks? It doesn't necessarily mean having 20 of them. Maybe it will be a transition into or out of something.
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Finally a strategy discution.
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On December 07 2011 15:37 DoomsVille wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 15:35 AxionSteel wrote:
Well if Day9 is as good as he thinks he is, GM with all races or whatever the hell, maybe he should be trying it himself.
Do you honestly think he has the time?
not a day9 hater, but I firmly believe game knowledge and skill go hand in hand. This has been discussed again and again, you can't be a bronze player with master level understanding of the game, it just doesn't work that way.
Putting that aside, I do believe day9 has an idea what he's talking about, to a certain degree.
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On December 07 2011 15:35 gogatorsfoster wrote:
I have to agree with Day9 and Artosis. Mech is harder to do. But it could be stronger and win a higher percentage of games. Incontrol is not making the most sense to me :\.
This isnt fucking masters league where people will just spam marine tank or M&M all day, these guys are fucking proffesionals in these games and will do anything necessary to win.
What they're saying is that all terran professionals know that mech is stronger than any other strategy but since it is so hard no one will try to use it.
which is absolutely absurd.
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This discussion makes me want to swith to Terran and play mech in every game 
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On December 07 2011 15:39 dapierow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2011 15:35 gogatorsfoster wrote:
I have to agree with Day9 and Artosis. Mech is harder to do. But it could be stronger and win a higher percentage of games. Incontrol is not making the most sense to me :\. This isnt fucking masters league where people will just spam marine tank or M&M all day, these guys are fucking proffesionals in these games and will do anything necessary to win.
What they're saying is that all terran professionals know that mech is stronger than any other strategy but since it is so hard no one will try to use it.which is absolutely absurd.
They arnt saying that, they are saying its not explored deep enough because bio is much easier and pros are all about winning so why waste time trying to learn a new style when you can improve your current one and keep winning money.
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This discussion just seems silly right now. Day9 is right that it is incorrect to say it can't work because pros don't use it in their matches. Incontrol is probably right that some progamers have tried it and come to the conclusion that they think it isn't as good, or isn't superior enough to warrant changing their practice.
After that were just going in circles.
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Day9 simply started a discussion to figure out "if mech was viable in tvp, what might that look like?" this would had been an interesting discussion. Who the fuck cares about which pro's tvp this way or if it is even possible it is a theoretical discussion on HOW it could be viable. Maybe it is not but what would it look like? I Would love to have heard Artosis and Day9 talk ideas on that now we've wasted 20 minutes listening to incontrol's ego trying to dumb the discussion down to, "it is pointless to discuss this because no one mechs so it is useless, I win".
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I think the main reason why pros don't use mech is just that they don't have enough time to practice it. Because mech's build has to be optimized from scratch, it pretty more efficient to train using strategy that has been proved to be effective. If we look at GSL's schedule, the each round is quite close to the other so pros need to spend time as efficient as possible.
If there is more time for practice between tournaments, we might see more mech play.
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I feel like Artosis's entire argument is predicated on the idea that Goody is horrible but still has marginal success. Therefore, Mech must be better than we think.
I find that very amusing. :-)
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I cannot understand how people think that the pros dont use mech because they do not have enough time to practice it...
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hallucinated immortals have harden shell
blink stalkers harassment kills thors hellions and tanks in small quantities
mech doesn't work
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On December 07 2011 15:42 GeorgeForeman wrote:
I feel like Artosis's entire argument is predicated on the idea that Goody is horrible but still has marginal success. Therefore, Mech must be better than we think.
I find that very amusing. :-)
That might also actually be the best argument in favor of mech 
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Well that was fucking awesome.
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On December 07 2011 15:42 Arcanne wrote:
hallucinated immortals have harden shell
blink stalkers
mech doesn't work
derp.
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On December 07 2011 15:42 GeorgeForeman wrote:
I feel like Artosis's entire argument is predicated on the idea that Goody is horrible but still has marginal success. Therefore, Mech must be better than we think.
I find that very amusing. :-)
Yep, pretty much that exactly.
Would love to see him play terran and try it, would be amusing to watch.
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