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EG vs FXO Discussion
+ Show Spoiler +In a straight up team match between EG vs FXO I would think EG would come out ahead more, but that doesnt mean that EG would do better in the GSTL, I mean the GSTL has sort of stiff competition.
On June 02 2011 08:04 DwD wrote:
Also I wonder how rape is such a bad word when on the screen "people" are dying? The moral of USA is always like this. It's ok to kill people, but the slight sight of nudity is not allowed at all.
Rape is not a bad word in the gaming community, the word 'own/pwn' got replaced by 'rape' (at least how I see it, since rape is also a way of asserting dominance over someone), but its another world out there where the word is bad. I don't mind hearing the word when I am playing/watching a stream of prOplayer 'X'.
But if I hear it from someone on the street saying
'Did you see how raped [insert sport team] got by [insert sport team]'
I would turn my head and think 'Did he/she really say that?'
The context is right (in this hypothetical statement) the other team owned the other, but is it still the right word to use?
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On June 02 2011 08:01 aquanda wrote:
It's really quite interesting in the most pathetic way possible how seriously you people take everything.
I generally don't like quoting things just for the sake of quoting them, but I would put this in the fucking banner of the website if I had the power. everyone needs to get this message.
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On June 02 2011 08:35 MonsieurGrimm wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 08:01 aquanda wrote:
It's really quite interesting in the most pathetic way possible how seriously you people take everything. I generally don't like quoting things just for the sake of quoting them, but I would put this in the fucking banner of the website if I had the power. everyone needs to get this message.
NAH MAN ESPORTS ESPORTS ESPORTS U GOTTA THINK ABOUT ESPORTS CUZ UR HURTING THEM
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On June 02 2011 08:01 aquanda wrote:
It's really quite interesting in the most pathetic way possible how seriously you people take everything.
how do you post the line 'you're pathetic for taking things too seriously' without someone pointing out you are clearly taking things too seriously?
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i just got to the part where day9 said he will eventually start streaming games.
im so excited!!!!!!!!! :DDDDD. even if it takes forever
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Incontrol you should expect people to confront your statements and not sit on a high "progamer-horse" (pun)
That said I will miss you on state of the game, thanks for many laughs - doing my dishes will never be as fun as when i listened to your rant about horses, artosis and doing biscuit imitations =)
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On June 02 2011 08:18 Highways wrote:
I've got some constructive criticism I would like to make:
JP's small talk is getting so annoying. Half the stuff that he talks about is useless small talk like 'What are you drinking', 'You look funny on the webcam' etc.... I feel he is trying too hard to keep the conversation going and so much time is wasted with small talk.
I would like to see him be more concise, keep the show moving along and stick on topic.
I disagree completely with this. The point of SOTG is to entertain as well as inform and if it is run too strictly or done in a serious mood it would not be as entertaining... for me at least.
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On June 02 2011 07:39 masterchip27 wrote:
The reason iNcontroL gets hated on is because he comes off as very full of himself. Another example - on yesterday's SotG, the pretty condescending manner in which he spoke to Idra (who is actually really intelligent, and had been pretty mannered back to iNcontroL). He presumptuously refuses to engage the argument, and says stuff like, "So when you change races and still lose, what will your excuse be then?" which I think is just a douchey way to talk to another player (who is both your teammate and better than you). Nobody really answered Idra's argument that Zerg lacks safe non-coin-toss openings that other races have very well.
I think the reason was chagrined by IdrA's argument is that a) they're best buds and b) IdrA's given the same circular, self-defeating argument for months now to justify his loses.
For IdrA to be right, not only do you have to buy into his belief that the game can and should be played -- and enjoyed -- without taking calculated risks, but you have to believe that he is playing without error, and that if Zerg were truly balanced he would be winning almost every game.
And if IdrA is right, we can only assume that IdrA is some kind of idiot-prince, condemning himself to a maschocistic, self-flagellating existence of Zerg-y mediocrity.
The fact that IdrA is obviously NOT mediocre and NOT an idiot kind of negates his own argument. I'm kind of surprised that Day9, InControl and Tyler can still keep a straight face when he brings it up.
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you dont have to believe idra plays without mistakes, you just have to agree that idra makes less mistakes. or that he is working harder to play zerg and so his mistakes should be more forgiving. im not gonna wade into that shitstorm but you dont have to believe that idra is perfect to follow his argument
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On June 02 2011 07:39 masterchip27 wrote:
Nobody really answered Idra's argument that Zerg lacks safe non-coin-toss openings that other races have very well.
That's not an argument, that's a fantasy. What are they supposed to answer?
No, other races don't have it.
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I don't understand InControl's argument that Destiny is a 'face' of the SC2-community, and thus should refrain using words like nigger and rape, because he got interviewed by Forbes one time.
In the Weapon of Choice discussion between them, DJWheat called InControl out on his use of the 'native-american' accent, and the KellyMilkies-incident. But InControl didn't even go there, because he knows he's not the right person to call out Destiny for the language he uses. Instead he just dismisses it as a non-valid argument, without even giving proper arguments for it. Now in SoTG, he's like if we want ESports to grow we need to ban 'dirty' words. If that's the road ESports is gonna take if it wants to grow, draining the soul out of the game, then we should ask our selves, do we really want that? I'd rather have a 'small' community where 'everything' goes, then the major corporation-esque, soulless community that we're supposedly heading to.
Every sport needs their characters, good or bad. InControl dismisses Destiny's viewers that they only watch Destiny because of his character, doesn't that apply to the majority of the SC2-community? Whenever IdrA gets into some meaningless 'fight' with another player, that adds to the whole excitement for the game, as we've seen with Cruncher and Minigun, recently. So if you're gonna call out Destiny for using the words rape and nigger, and you let your teammate tell another player to go kill himself, and don't call him out on that, you sir, are using double standards and are a hypocrite.
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On June 02 2011 08:42 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 07:39 masterchip27 wrote:
The reason iNcontroL gets hated on is because he comes off as very full of himself. Another example - on yesterday's SotG, the pretty condescending manner in which he spoke to Idra (who is actually really intelligent, and had been pretty mannered back to iNcontroL). He presumptuously refuses to engage the argument, and says stuff like, "So when you change races and still lose, what will your excuse be then?" which I think is just a douchey way to talk to another player (who is both your teammate and better than you). Nobody really answered Idra's argument that Zerg lacks safe non-coin-toss openings that other races have very well.
I think the reason was chagrined by IdrA's argument is that a) they're best buds and b) IdrA's given the same circular, self-defeating argument for months now to justify his loses. For IdrA to be right, not only do you have to buy into his belief that the game can and should be played -- and enjoyed -- without taking calculated risks, but you have to believe that he is playing without error, and that if Zerg were truly balanced he would be winning almost every game. And if IdrA is right, we can only assume that IdrA is some kind of idiot-prince, condemning himself to a maschocistic, self-flagellating existence of Zerg-y mediocrity. The fact that IdrA is obviously NOT mediocre and NOT an idiot kind of negates his own argument. I'm kind of surprised that Day9, InControl and Tyler can still keep a straight face when he brings it up.
I think there is a difference between risky tactics and engagements or tech switches and that sort of thing (which Idra is probably fine with), and risky openers (which Idra is complaining about).
Maybe you're right we can't have a stable opener that would satisfy Idra, but everytime I've heard him articulate his reasoning it's been far better than the others, and he hasn't really ever been beaten in a debate, people like iNcontroL usually just adamantly pick on him and it just seems ridiculous. Further, I recall Destiny agreeing with a lot of Idra's arguments about the design of Zerg, and while he's not a super-great pro, I think he's quite intelligent too. If at some point in the past I missed people actually debating Idra and winning, I'm sorry, but I haven't seen it!
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When did we get so sensitive ? When we say Rape we mean Rape not something else. You Took that guy down and had SC2 Sex with him against his will. The Word is accurate powerful and manly When did we become such sissies.
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On June 02 2011 08:16 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 08:08 R3demption wrote:
This is sounding like a bunch of whinny babies to be honest. What is it "beat up Incontrol day" or something? Who cares if you disagree with him or were offended by him. Man up. The dude works his ass of and made SotG a great show, he deserves respect. So does JP, why would anyone flame him? People call him an idiot when he does things for the community none of yall do.
Man up. Don't read the actual posts or anything, that's cool. We were all flaming him, we should definitely man up and never disagree with him or call him out on his bullshit. Yep... The dude works his ass off for Starcraft and I do respect that, but I don't expect people to nod their heads or look away when he spouts silliness.
I HAVE A BRILLIANT IDEA. Dont watch the show if you hate the people on it and want to flame the themt. Its like "thanks for taking the time to talk about Starcraft and entertain me at work, and btw FUCK YOU"
See how much sense this makes? Its always been opinionated, if you can't take the opinions then come here and post how you feel, cause everyone cares how much you dislike Incontrol...
GL at MLG to Tyler Incontrol Idra and JP (Casting). Thank you for saving my day at work today.
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On June 02 2011 08:52 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 07:39 masterchip27 wrote:
Nobody really answered Idra's argument that Zerg lacks safe non-coin-toss openings that other races have very well. That's not an argument, that's a fantasy. What are they supposed to answer? No, other races don't have it.
Well just to clarify the imbalance discussion doesn't have to do with any of the lower leagues (or even a lot of masters, I guess), but really at the very top level of play (recall day9 saying that he simply didn't know enough about the match-ups to make a comment regarding what Idra was saying [and note him being humble and therefore not ever getting flamed])... and so idk if most people on this thread (including myself) are really qualified to say Idra wants a fantasy.
I wished Artosis and Idra still did the Imbalanced! show lol it would be a lot of fun.
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On June 02 2011 09:04 masterchip27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 08:52 Talin wrote:On June 02 2011 07:39 masterchip27 wrote:
Nobody really answered Idra's argument that Zerg lacks safe non-coin-toss openings that other races have very well. That's not an argument, that's a fantasy. What are they supposed to answer? No, other races don't have it. Well just to clarify the imbalance discussion doesn't have to do with any of the lower leagues (or even a lot of masters, I guess), but really at the very top level of play (recall day9 saying that he simply didn't know enough about the match-ups to make a comment regarding what Idra was saying [and note him being humble and therefore not ever getting flamed])... and so idk if most people on this thread (including myself) are really qualified to say Idra wants a fantasy. I wished Artosis and Idra still did the Imbalanced! show lol it would be a lot of fun.
Day9 said Idra was being so vague (that Ihe was just venting) it was impossible to have an argument especially without a replay, not a story about coin tosses and scouting troubles. Day9 did not say he didn't know enough about the match ups to argue. He said that he didn't have time to discuss balance and made some rambling points about the metagame. He then got flamed by a ton of people for losing the argument terribly when he wasn't trying to argue, it was hilarious.
This thread in the past several hours has been way more entertaining than the actual last show.
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On June 02 2011 09:08 TheFrankOne wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 09:04 masterchip27 wrote:On June 02 2011 08:52 Talin wrote:On June 02 2011 07:39 masterchip27 wrote:
Nobody really answered Idra's argument that Zerg lacks safe non-coin-toss openings that other races have very well. That's not an argument, that's a fantasy. What are they supposed to answer? No, other races don't have it. Well just to clarify the imbalance discussion doesn't have to do with any of the lower leagues (or even a lot of masters, I guess), but really at the very top level of play (recall day9 saying that he simply didn't know enough about the match-ups to make a comment regarding what Idra was saying [and note him being humble and therefore not ever getting flamed])... and so idk if most people on this thread (including myself) are really qualified to say Idra wants a fantasy. I wished Artosis and Idra still did the Imbalanced! show lol it would be a lot of fun. Day9 said Idra was being so vague (that he was just venting) it was impossible to have an argument especially without a replay, not a story about coin tosses and scouting troubles. He did not say he didn't know enough about the match ups to argue. He also said that he didn't have time to discuss balance. He then got flamed by a ton of people for losing the argument terribly when he wasn't trying to argue, it was hilarious. This thread in the past several hours has been way more entertaining than the actual last show.
In that episode, yeah. I'm talking about Monday's episode
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On June 02 2011 09:04 R3demption wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 08:16 Mordiford wrote:On June 02 2011 08:08 R3demption wrote:
This is sounding like a bunch of whinny babies to be honest. What is it "beat up Incontrol day" or something? Who cares if you disagree with him or were offended by him. Man up. The dude works his ass of and made SotG a great show, he deserves respect. So does JP, why would anyone flame him? People call him an idiot when he does things for the community none of yall do.
Man up. Don't read the actual posts or anything, that's cool. We were all flaming him, we should definitely man up and never disagree with him or call him out on his bullshit. Yep... The dude works his ass off for Starcraft and I do respect that, but I don't expect people to nod their heads or look away when he spouts silliness. I HAVE A BRILLIANT IDEA. Dont watch the show if you hate the people on it and want to flame the themt. Its like "thanks for taking the time to talk about Starcraft and entertain me at work, and btw FUCK YOU" See how much sense this makes? Its always been opinionated, if you can't take the opinions then come here and post how you feel, cause everyone cares how much you dislike Incontrol... GL and MLG to Tyler Incontrol Idra and JP (Casting). Thank you for saving my day at work today.
Once again, don't read the actual posts or anything, that's cool. It's not like I really like SotG, it's not like I've commented on how this was a good episode, it's not like I praised the guests in this episode at all, right?
No, it's not, "Thanks for taking the time to talk about Starcraft and entertain me, and btw FUCK YOU"... It's, "Thanks for taking the time to talk about Starcraft and entertain me, and I agree with you here, I agree with you here, I disagree with you here". Don't fucking simplify it into a situation where no one can actually discuss or disagree with any of the people on the show and furthermore disagree with them in the thread.
Alright, from now on every time there's a new episode, one person should post, "Great episode, really liked it" and everyone else post "What the poster above me said". Great, awesome...
We can "take the opinions" just fine, and guess what, everyone has their own too? Oh shiiiit. Crazy right? Just because I like the show doesn't mean I can't call someone on their bullshit, and just because I call someone on their bullshit doesn't mean I hate the show.
Thanks for a great episode guys, good luck at MLG and hope to see the show back soon.
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On June 02 2011 09:09 masterchip27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 09:08 TheFrankOne wrote:On June 02 2011 09:04 masterchip27 wrote:On June 02 2011 08:52 Talin wrote:On June 02 2011 07:39 masterchip27 wrote:
Nobody really answered Idra's argument that Zerg lacks safe non-coin-toss openings that other races have very well. That's not an argument, that's a fantasy. What are they supposed to answer? No, other races don't have it. Well just to clarify the imbalance discussion doesn't have to do with any of the lower leagues (or even a lot of masters, I guess), but really at the very top level of play (recall day9 saying that he simply didn't know enough about the match-ups to make a comment regarding what Idra was saying [and note him being humble and therefore not ever getting flamed])... and so idk if most people on this thread (including myself) are really qualified to say Idra wants a fantasy. I wished Artosis and Idra still did the Imbalanced! show lol it would be a lot of fun. Day9 said Idra was being so vague (that he was just venting) it was impossible to have an argument especially without a replay, not a story about coin tosses and scouting troubles. He did not say he didn't know enough about the match ups to argue. He also said that he didn't have time to discuss balance. He then got flamed by a ton of people for losing the argument terribly when he wasn't trying to argue, it was hilarious. This thread in the past several hours has been way more entertaining than the actual last show. In that episode, yeah. I'm talking about Monday's episode
Hmmm... missed that part of Monday's episode, nevermind then.
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On June 02 2011 08:53 Cajun2k1 wrote:
I don't understand InControl's argument that Destiny is a 'face' of the SC2-community, and thus should refrain using words like nigger and rape, because he got interviewed by Forbes one time.
In the Weapon of Choice discussion between them, DJWheat called InControl out on his use of the 'native-american' accent, and the KellyMilkies-incident. But InControl didn't even go there, because he knows he's not the right person to call out Destiny for the language he uses. Instead he just dismisses it as a non-valid argument, without even giving proper arguments for it. Now in SoTG, he's like if we want ESports to grow we need to ban 'dirty' words. If that's the road ESports is gonna take if it wants to grow, draining the soul out of the game, then we should ask our selves, do we really want that? I'd rather have a 'small' community where 'everything' goes, then the major corporation-esque, soulless community that we're supposedly heading to.
Every sport needs their characters, good or bad. InControl dismisses Destiny's viewers that they only watch Destiny because of his character, doesn't that apply to the majority of the SC2-community? Whenever IdrA gets into some meaningless 'fight' with another player, that adds to the whole excitement for the game, as we've seen with Cruncher and Minigun, recently. So if you're gonna call out Destiny for using the words rape and nigger, and you let your teammate tell another player to go kill himself, and don't call him out on that, you sir, are using double standards and are a hypocrite.
I agree, if we took the words nigger and rape out of Starcraft, it would drain the soul out of e-sports.
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