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iNty.sCream
Germany195 Posts
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shlomo
258 Posts
On August 18 2010 00:23 oxxo wrote: Adding to this is there are alot of Zerg that are CHOOSING to sit on early game tech, compounding their own problems by staying with their weakest tech. Yeah we are CHOOSING to not upgrade to lair while we make our queen(s).. The audacity! | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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Iggyhopper
United States259 Posts
On August 18 2010 00:20 SyyRaaaN wrote: "Our intent is not to have a game with broken balance in an attempt to sell an expansion. That should go without saying. It makes me sad it isn't." Hehe, blizzards reputation has taken a hit? :D But now when i think about it - we were all screaming for atleast 1 more zerg unit in the beta but we didnt see it ^^. And thats coming in the expansion for sho, which maybe means that they have an awesome zerg unit done, but not implemented? Hum, hum, hum. On topic - intresting to see what changes they are planning. Will it be a success as SC1, or a total fail as WC3 ? 3 races are extremely easier to balance than 4 races. | ||
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kickinhead
Switzerland2069 Posts
So I think if Blizzard tries to make Zerg just "more fun" to play and not make them simply "better", it could end up being a pretty useless change.... But I guess they are aware of that. ^^' | ||
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lfusion
United States79 Posts
On August 18 2010 00:29 Iggyhopper wrote: 3 races are extremely easier to balance than 4 races. He said another unit, not another race. | ||
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Jimmeh
United Kingdom908 Posts
He was referring to "or a total fail as WC3?" | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On August 18 2010 00:23 oxxo wrote: Adding to this is there are alot of Zerg that are CHOOSING to sit on early game tech, compounding their own problems by staying with their weakest tech. They aren't choosing anything. And low tech is not a problem either, the problem is that Zerg cannot know what Terran is up to. IF Zerg somehow in early game actually could find out that Terran was cliff dropping, banshee rushing or just massing vikings they would tech accordingly. But since they don't know they are staying with lower tech but more units since that way they will survive if the Terran goes for tank/marines/medics rushes which is the most common tactic. Doing this at least makes the Zerg survive against the other tactics mentioned above but with heavy losses to their drone count (which cannot be prevented) and they will prolly lose the middle or late game unless the Terran makes a mistake. IF they do not go low tech units early and if the Terran goes for marines/tanks/medics they will die guaranteed. As a Terran player I admitt, allot of my wins against Zerg are due to flipcoin, I've gone barrack, tank, 2 starports and the Zerg thougth I was going mass vikings and started early lair, only to be countered by my scan and I simply add reactor and one more barrack and start making marine/medic rush instead. Zerg early game are in a very tough spot right now. | ||
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jambam
United States324 Posts
On August 18 2010 00:23 BeMannerDuPenner wrote: its absolutely impossible these days to keep the QQ cursaders out. nice that you tried but you cant do it. they will instaspam evry single thread that is in ANY way related to zerg,balance,statistics,terran,a pro Z player etc. id love if they would totally overbuff Z now just so all those idiots would shut up and realise that its not balance but their own lack of skill thats keeping em down. i like blizzards approach. cause really, the issues are nowhere as bad as the QQcrusaders calim. the game is out for what? 3-4 weeks now? and kneejerk patches are the last thing we need. i just hope blizzard realises that their horrible maps are the root of many problems and finally make some good BIG maps and edit out the problematic things in the current ones.. Im sorry, Im realatively new to forums, but is this a troll? As i Zerg player i was glad to hear that blizzard was aware of the concerns and that they wouldn't release anything without testing. I think that's all anyone wanted to hear. The silence from Blizz was the worst part. | ||
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TheDna
Germany577 Posts
They should look at the tournaments, even in Korea Zerg isnt doing very well anymore. Europe ESL Pro Season: 1Zerg! Its kinda frustrating to see ppl like machine and Dimaga switch races and Blizzard doesnt seem to care enough to patch immediately. What is the difference between beta and now? Really i dont see it. There were tournaments and there are tournaments now. Bnet 2.0 still looks like Beta, no chatroom or social interaction possible. The custom funmap system is a complete mess. Personally i was expecting a release patch or at least now a few week after release a big juicy patch bringing us some content and further small balance fixes. I m disappointed. | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On August 18 2010 00:36 jambam wrote: Im sorry, Im realatively new to forums, but is this a troll? As i Zerg player i was glad to hear that blizzard was aware of the concerns and that they wouldn't release anything without testing. I think that's all anyone wanted to hear. The silence from Blizz was the worst part. what is your problem with my post? that i complain about the hundreds of kids that destroy the sc2 general forum with their QQ spam? im random. i know the issues of zerg. but im not insanely biased like the vast majority of complainers. most problems come down to shitty maps and not zerg itself. some people have valid balance thoughts. but most just keep losing cause they play bad and then go "oh ya, idra said Z is UP so thats why i lost! fast to the forums!" and im glad that blizzard somewhat ignores those kids. as much as i love to hate blizz for their recent actions , with balance i trust em way way way more then almost anyone else. they have the data, they actually want BALANCE and not "my race needs to do best!" | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On August 18 2010 00:20 SyyRaaaN wrote: "Our intent is not to have a game with broken balance in an attempt to sell an expansion. That should go without saying. It makes me sad it isn't." Hehe, blizzards reputation has taken a hit? :D But now when i think about it - we were all screaming for atleast 1 more zerg unit in the beta but we didnt see it ^^. And thats coming in the expansion for sho, which maybe means that they have an awesome zerg unit done, but not implemented? Hum, hum, hum. On topic - intresting to see what changes they are planning. Will it be a success as SC1, or a total fail as WC3 ? They shouldn't have taken out the lurker before the beta . They said that the lurker overlaped with the other units and practically said fuck you to zerg users and if you want a complete race wait for the expansion and an other 60 $ dollars . If they bring back the lurker in Hots i will be forced to destroy my SC2 wings of liberty CD and never buy an other blizzard game again . They already made the game super expensive by spliting it in to 3 parts and if the reason they left the zerg race unfinished ( compared to the other 2 races in wings of liberty ) is that they want people to buy their expansion is unforgivable . | ||
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yomi
United States773 Posts
what happened. edit: I read the replies nm it's bad User was warned for this post | ||
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heishe
Germany2284 Posts
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iNty.sCream
Germany195 Posts
thats what i thought too man | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On August 18 2010 00:23 oxxo wrote: Adding to this is there are alot of Zerg that are CHOOSING to sit on early game tech, compounding their own problems by staying with their weakest tech. have u ever played even a single game as zerg to make a bull shit and completely stupid and untrue comment like that? zerg players dont "choose" to stay on early game tech since we are piratically forced to go mid game tech for like mutas or hydras. | ||
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sysrpl
United States222 Posts
On August 18 2010 00:57 iNty.sCream wrote: "They shouldn't have taken out the lurker before the beta" thats what i thought too man Although I really would like to see the lurker, I feel at high levels it would indeed be a "funny gun" due to lack of dark swarm. | ||
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iNty.sCream
Germany195 Posts
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JudoChopper
England148 Posts
On August 18 2010 00:49 raga4ka wrote: They shouldn't have taken out the lurker before the beta . They said that the lurker overlaped with the other units and practically said fuck you to zerg users and if you want a complete race wait for the expansion and an other 60 $ dollars . If they bring back the lurker in Hots i will be forced to destroy my SC2 wings of liberty CD and never buy an other blizzard game again . Following this logic shouldn't Protoss be weak so they can "fix" them with the Protoss expansion? i'm not buying this idea, they just spent too much time/resources on Terran and less on the others Zerg was last and had the least time. | ||
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