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zor.au
Australia270 Posts
On August 17 2010 09:56 akomatic wrote: IdrA was the only gamer in the tournament that seemed to get ridiculed from both casters on the only day I viewed Do you blame them? Hes a bad manner kid, sure hes real good but doesn't stop the fact he acts like a 12 yr spoiled brat that looks like a homeless harry potter | ||
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yoshi_yoshi
United States440 Posts
If a player MUST take on a caster, then the tourney admins should be responsible for that caster. I don't like how midway is distancing ESL from BigT, while having required Idra to be casted by BigT. Oh well. As I said before, admins should just publish a short list of 'official' casters. Then there is no ambiguity. | ||
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Tergeron
United States66 Posts
On August 17 2010 08:54 midway wrote: Midway, 2) This is an evolving issue. Is no casting better then "volunteer" casting? This is a question we will have to continue to answer but don't have the answer to right now. As we are a part of the community you will be a part of this discussion. My personal feeling is that we need to find people we are able and willing to cast because without some sort of public viewing its hard for people to get excited and involved in the future of SC2 as eSport. If your intention is to build interest in SC2 as an esport having this guy cast is detrimental to this goal. He constantly misses important moments (missing important battles for stuff like watching a Missile Turret build) and manages to look really unprofessional by allowing people to message him constantly in the middle of a game. I would rather have replays then let this be the first experience someone has with Esports. There are quite a few experienced named casters out there who would probably enjoy casting this event if they could manage the time to do so, I would much rather see them. | ||
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Iggyhopper
United States259 Posts
Casters can bring the latency levels way up too. I don't want 7 people watching just to have the match quality suffer as the result. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On August 17 2010 10:12 Iggyhopper wrote: Oh yeah he was getting constant messages. Dude, just set yourself to busy, damn. I don't want to look at the message boxes, which have sometimes completely made you lose your train of thought (if any). Casters can bring the latency levels way up too. I don't want 7 people watching just to have the match quality suffer as the result. Busy does not work outside of game sadly... | ||
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Iggyhopper
United States259 Posts
On August 17 2010 10:20 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Really? Sad. Sad indeed.Busy does not work outside of game sadly... | ||
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Butigroove
Seychelles2061 Posts
Or you should just get rid of him& ask one of the better casters to do it instead. Oh and make sure your official post isn't misstating facts & leaving things out, as Travis detailed on the first page. | ||
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Tenz
Australia106 Posts
But fucking 3 cheers for Idra. I don't know about you but the pro player has priority over the shit caster.. If a player is complaining of latency issues made worse by having casters / spectators.. Any DECENT organization would remove that issue so the player could perform as unrestricted as possible. Whats wrong with casting replays? And I know its been stated a million times... but.. BigT? Wow. | ||
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theSAiNT
United States726 Posts
On August 17 2010 04:31 Mateo0 wrote: Is there rules preventing the said caster (BigT) to go trolling the player(Idra) before asking to cast his games? Your casters and admins behaved unprofessionally. It is not competitor 'bad manner' that trawls the good name of esports through the mud. It is your poor conduct. What are you going to do to fix it? | ||
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wxwx
527 Posts
Spectating live is always going to be part of any competition... Casting old replays is not entertaining unless for the die-hard fans. It's the same reason the koreans go through all the trouble of making sound-proof booths and arenas, rather than giving the audience a pre-recorded game. | ||
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FlamingTurd
United States1059 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9109 Posts
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wxwx
527 Posts
Seems to me you are biting the hand that feeds you. It's like you completely forget about all the money and time the organizers put into the game the moment they ban a player who's nuts you are riding on. | ||
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QuakerOats
United States1024 Posts
On August 17 2010 10:57 wxwx wrote: what if Spain and Netherlands arranged to play the world cup finals in a remote location, with no spectators, no refs, and have the re-run broadcasted to the public hours after? Spectating live is always going to be part of any competition... Casting old replays is not entertaining unless for the die-hard fans. It's the same reason the koreans go through all the trouble of making sound-proof booths and arenas, rather than giving the audience a pre-recorded game. Except... Spain and Netherlands don't have lag caused by people watching. Same with BW. Lag completely ruins a game, I don't know about you but I'd rather watch a replay the day after then watch the live game but have both players play sub-par because of lag. Plus they don't disclose the results before the casting, so it really makes no difference to you when the game was played. | ||
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phuzi0n
United States308 Posts
There's zero excuse for BigT telling HuK another players strats in previous matches. There's zero excuse for BigT to lag a match while he alt tabs to fix his stream while there's other casters in the match that can cast it if he just leaves and then fixes his shit. There's zero excuse for BigT to be berating a player. | ||
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pieisamazing
United States1234 Posts
On August 17 2010 11:06 wxwx wrote: and to those getting all fired up at ESL.. you're pretty funny. Why don't you go start your own league/tournament and we'll continue this discussion in a few years or so? I'm sure you're going to be much more successful since ESL are so "unprofessional, no integrity, going to fail, blah blah.." Seems to me you are biting the hand that feeds you. It's like you completely forget about all the money and time the organizers put into the game the moment they ban a player who's nuts you are riding on. Unfortunately for your retarded troll post, their tournament ain't shit without the players people want to watch. This isn't the ONLY organization that will be casting, and from what I've seen, we can all do without them being around, anyway. There will be much better ones that run smoothly and have professional commentators and administrators. | ||
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Samus
Australia47 Posts
He shouldn't be casting an idra game. With the amount of flak that it was going to cause IdrA, ESL should of been reasonable to not assign a caster that has badmouthed IdrA so vehemently. | ||
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J3rk
United States25 Posts
IdrA is undoubtably at fault for being unprofessional and loosing his cool. Any sort of attack on a sporting official, be it physical or verbal, should always result in some form of a penalty. You don't see players arguing, bad-mouthing, or insulting officials without receiving a penalty point, red/yellow card, ejection, etc... If SC2 is to have a chance at becoming a reputable and Professional "Sport" I think the rules need to be enforced on a equal, reasonable, impartial, and most importantly nondiscriminatory scale. If the BM IdrA used towards BigT was in any way a form of verbal harassment than the Penalty Points he received are completely fair and of merit, DESPITE any of the actions BigT may have taken to cause such an outburst. If any and every player has the privilege or option of arguing with and in extreme cases harassing officials the exact reason for having officials present is completely undermined. IN A SIDE NOTE I do not find it hard to believe that the Caster may have sparked or caused much of the negativity involved in this situation. If this is the case I believe that an internal investigation needs to take place and some sort of reprimand should be given to the other party at fault (BigT) If a sporting official makes a bad call in other professional sports the call (even if it is blatantly wrong) must be followed for the sake of fairness. But I can guarantee you the official that made the bad call will receive some sort of negative feedback. I think this brings to light the need for a higher standard level in quality from both players and officials. Players need to cut out all of the BM and snide remarks they make at each other, or at least durring broadcast events. "you're a joke" - Silver vs IdrA IEM Cup I Besides the initial GLHF the only other text that should be allowed is GG. And do not misunderstand my overly-critical review on IdrA I'm sure there are many other players that have on occasion used BM, I am simply using him as an example because of his general blatant use of BM. BM can be amusing but the cases are few and far between, I think it would give better light towards SC2 as a professional trade if BM was made an outright penalty. In addition to a change in the professionalism in players... I think the officials need to take some initiative and show more professionalism in both their casting and officiating. There have been multiple occasions where I have found myself listening to casters ramble about topics of complete irrelevance while I wait 20+ minutes for the officials to figure out how to find and start a match with all of the necessary members. I understand that game coverage of SC2 is still in its infancy and that there are lots of bugs and hiccups that need to be worked out and that the current state of battle.net isn't very conducive towards setting up live cast games efficiently,but at the same time these are issues that expect you to figure out prior to the actual tournament. Finding a way to set up the tournament so that there is little or very minimal downtime is one thing I expect in the cast. Having to listen to casters talk about what they ate for dinner, how much they love twilight, and watching youtube videos not only take away from the professionalism of the sport its just plain annoying and a waste of my time. And please don't take this the wrong way, I <3 all the casters and love their sense of humor but at the same time when I tune in to watch qualifiers for some big tournament that has 20+ players playing I expect to be primarily watching matches. This of course is not the fault of the casters but more the fault of the officials arranging the tournament. Basically every point I've made can be summed up with this short little phrase. Act Professional Players play in a professional manner. Casters cast as if you were casting in front of a live audience of thousands (Cuz you kinda are). Officials officiate as if you were officiating a professional sport. and of course Tournament presenters and coordinators please, please, please put a little more effort into making things run smoother. A little planning can go a long way towards helping make sure these type of situations don't happen again. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
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Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
On August 17 2010 11:04 Jonoman92 wrote: For the future it seems like the best solution is to clearly explain to the gamers that they must IMMEDIATELY upload their replay after each individual game so it can then be casted. This will also serve as a built in anti-cheat measure so players can't listen to the stream. I like this solution a lot. On another note, BigT is an idiot and the fact that he's still "employed" at all shows the clear immaturity of these tournament organizers. If anyone did what he's done in pro football they'd be gone in a heartbeat. | ||
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