EPTIdrA, National ESL's IEM Cup #3 Issues - Page 21
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
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houck
United Kingdom102 Posts
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waxypants
United States479 Posts
Finally, I agree with a lot of the criticisms of BigT to an extent. I frequently facepalm at some of the things he does and says. To be honest though, half the time people won't tell him what he should do or what the fuck is going on, so he then exercises his own judgment (which is pretty bad) in a situation he shouldn't even be in. | ||
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phuzi0n
United States308 Posts
On August 17 2010 11:24 lac29 wrote: This thread probably should be closed soon. Anything worth saying has already been said. Midway hasn't directly addressed BigT's behavior yet. | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
On August 17 2010 13:45 phuzi0n wrote: Midway hasn't directly addressed BigT's behavior yet. Like I said, anything worth saying has been said. I doubt there will be any direct addressing of BigT. He simply won't be used in the next tourny or he'll get a behind the scenes talk on how to handle future situations. Honestly it's poor behavior from almost everyone. Idra knew the rules (even if they are silly rules) yet disobeyed (even if he had somewhat of a legitimate reason, lag). BigT reacted not so well. Idra reacted not so well. What else is there to say. Obviously some things will be adjusted be it the rules, obsing/reffing, etc. Lots of ppl are blowing this way out of proportion. | ||
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Uhh Negative
United States1090 Posts
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TurpinOS
Canada1223 Posts
On August 17 2010 13:45 phuzi0n wrote: Midway hasn't directly addressed BigT's behavior yet. Except this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the subject of this topic. You should also note that midway doesnt owe anyone an explanation about BigT's behavior since BigT is not directly affiliated with them (note the word directly, he did cast for them, but hes not directly part of the organization). Im guessing midway wont use him again, but that should be left for the discussion between him and BigT, he doesnt owe anyone anything on that particular matter. | ||
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LEGAsee
170 Posts
On August 17 2010 13:43 waxypants wrote: There are wayyyyyyyyyyyy too many people giving their 2c and making judgments when they obviously weren't even watching when it happened. 99% of people here have gotten the sequence of events completely wrong. Idra didn't refuse casting because BigT was "bming" him. He immediately refused casting BEFORE ANY GAMES WERE PLAYED when BigT first messaged him saying "hey I'm going to be casting your game if that's alright" or something to that effect. After this, BigT tried to joke around with him to lighten him up. This is the alleged "bm". Obviously this was a mistake since everybody knows that that is never going to work. This was stupid of BigT to do and only fanned the flames a little bit (although I doubt Idra really gives a shit about BigT's dumb jokes to him). Finally, BigT only called Idra an "a-move zerg" as a JOKE at the end of one of Idra's games where Idra roflstomped his opponent and seemingly a-moved to victory. Note that this innocuous comment occurred AFTER the Idra had already refused to be casted but was forced to be casted anyway. Finally, I agree with a lot of the criticisms of BigT to an extent. I frequently facepalm at some of the things he does and says. To be honest though, half the time people won't tell him what he should do or what the fuck is going on, so he then exercises his own judgment (which is pretty bad) in a situation he shouldn't even be in. you have it wrong on the second sentence. nice try though | ||
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
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waxypants
United States479 Posts
On August 17 2010 14:15 LEGAsee wrote: you have it wrong on the second sentence. nice try though Are you referring to "99%"? Nice one. Obvious exaggeration, but a ton of people here obviously didn't see what happened and have completely mixed up the ORDER in which the events unfolded. That is a FACT. | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
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LEGAsee
170 Posts
On August 17 2010 14:21 waxypants wrote: Are you referring to "99%"? Nice one. Obvious exaggeration, but a ton of people here obviously didn't see what happened and have completely mixed up the ORDER in which the events unfolded. That is a FACT. lol no, I was actually referring to something else but its alright because I actually misread what you typed, I thought we were going down the `Idra got BMed and so didnt allow casting` road again. I dont think people care about the BM anyway, the issue was with the integrity, or lack of, by the organizers after the fact. | ||
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RAH66Comanche
United States12 Posts
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Voyager I
United States260 Posts
On August 17 2010 14:49 RAH66Comanche wrote: From what I understand, they messed up and IdrA got mad. To prevent themselves from looking bad they spun the situation to make it look like it was all IdrA's fault. I support IdrA in this situation. Nah, I was watching the streams and IdrA was plenty dick himself. | ||
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taLbuk
Madagascar1879 Posts
On August 17 2010 14:22 Subversion wrote: any record of what IdrA actually did? are there VODs? :D a very rough overview since you can read it all in the other thread This thread is in response to the IEM thread, basically Idra refused observers, he got 2 penalty points for it, later after he won all his rounds, he got contacted back to replay 2 rounds because ESL messed up the brackets because of a false win report. Idra said he would do it and called them "fucking morons" over irc or something. So they tacked on 2 penalty points which would put him to 4 which is a DQ It sounds bad but there was ALOT more that happened I just dont feel like typing it when its in the other thread. On August 17 2010 14:54 Voyager I wrote: Nah, I was watching the streams and IdrA was plenty dick himself. funny because I was watching the stream the whole time too and the only BM besides idra refusing the caster was him speaking to Beef in game asking about the money he is owed from a tournament several months back, besides that game the only other idra game that was casted he only said gg. | ||
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zerglingsfolife
United States1694 Posts
On August 17 2010 14:54 taLbuk wrote: a very rough overview since you can read it all in the other thread This thread is in response to the IEM thread, basically Idra refused observers, he got 2 penalty points for it, later after he won all his rounds, he got contacted back to replay 2 rounds because ESL messed up the brackets because of a false win report. Idra said he would do it and called them "fucking morons" over irc or something. So they tacked on 2 penalty points which would put him to 4 which is a DQ It sounds bad but there was ALOT more that happened I just dont feel like typing it when its in the other thread. Almost. They banned him, then after the fact, IdrA was contacted by LastShadow, and found out he would have to replay the rounds. IdrA said he would, and told LastShadow to tell the admins that they are fucking idiots. | ||
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Lighioana
Norway466 Posts
On August 17 2010 07:16 midway wrote: Read Chill's response above. National ESL is reviewing all of the people we let broadcast. We are still figuring our broadcast partner for the American Championship event this October. GLHF.tv should be available. | ||
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Sqq
Norway2023 Posts
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mikado
Australia407 Posts
Idra was wrong. So what if they fucked up, they should apologize and ask him to play again; and he either accepts the apology and the offer or he doesn't. Why does he BM then? Because he knows he gets reactions from it, gains notoriety and attracts attention. So I'd say his rage was fake if not unnecessary in this situation. ESL was even more wrong. With all that being said, from what I read here (and I read a great deal of the posts), ESL is just a bunch of unorganized guys trying to put something together. I'd suggest you get down your high horse and deal with players and viewers alike with humility. You're not a big/respected organization yet, far from it (obvious by all the posts). On a final note, to put it more coarsely as Idra would, get your heads out of your asses. | ||
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