On August 17 2010 08:32 mmdmmd wrote: I don' think Idra will ever get a sponsor.
Whether he is faking it or not, NO sponsor in the world will want to link their product/service with a personality like his.
Which perfectly explains all the "You can't be serious!" commercials.
Yeah Idra could sell all kinds of stuff.
IdrA rages out of a game and throws his keyboard on the floor. Idra: "Dammit I'm off to make a burger." Goes off and makes a burger (or "insert product here") Next thing he's looking calm again. IdrA: "Mmmm Burgers." Then the caption: "making burgers, a useful skill toi have"
On August 17 2010 04:18 midway wrote: IdrA situation
The second issue regarded IdrA, specifically. IdrA was informed for his second match that he would be casted on the stream made available to fans. Many have made a point that it’s silly to “force casting” but again even with replays fans should be allowed to watch any match. IdrA has chosen to take part in a tournament intended for American players from Korea. As a citizen of the USA this is his right, but he also must deal with the latency issues involved with this decision and the rules that allow casters and admins to spectate matches. The rules specifically state a player must allow admins and casters to spectate a match if requested and those rules were available before IdrA entered the Cup.
Regardless or not of the rule (which sucks, by the way), I think this is a bit over the top. Forcing IdrA to have spectators in game and cause latency is harmful to the players. It doesn't allow them to perform at peak levels. Not having a player play at his full potential is a bit dumb. It's against the very spirit of ESPORTS.
I assume the ESL people running the show are gamers. What if you were in IdrA's shoes? Do you really think it's fair for a top tier player (mind you, the only westerner on a Korean progaming team) to be put at a disadvantage because you just want more hits for your website?
Please, find another set of players to cast. Let progamers play at their full potential.
No offense, but I'm sure the NBA teams competing in the playoffs rather play on their own courts without the thousands in attendance and camera crews taking pictures and shooting video. They'd play at a fuller potential in that case too, wouldn't they?
On August 17 2010 14:22 Subversion wrote: any record of what IdrA actually did? are there VODs? :D
a very rough overview since you can read it all in the other thread
This thread is in response to the IEM thread, basically Idra refused observers, he got 2 penalty points for it, later after he won all his rounds, he got contacted back to replay 2 rounds because ESL messed up the brackets because of a false win report. Idra said he would do it and called them "fucking morons" over irc or something. So they tacked on 2 penalty points which would put him to 4 which is a DQ
It sounds bad but there was ALOT more that happened I just dont feel like typing it when its in the other thread.
Almost.
They banned him, then after the fact, IdrA was contacted by LastShadow, and found out he would have to replay the rounds. IdrA said he would, and told LastShadow to tell the admins that they are fucking idiots.
So many people are such cry babies.
"Noo, my friend told me that he called me an idiot; I must rise up and give him 2 penalty points!"
So many people are immature kids who do not respect others and have no manners.
We arent living in the wild wild west anymore, where the strong can waltz over the weak and get away with it. We are living in a world that is filled with humans and where any kind of aggression can easily multiply into an out-of-proportion violence. Our methods of killing / injuring other people are getting better every year and it doesnt take much to kill MANY people. These things all start with a thought and there is no though without words, so violent thoughs should NOT be allowed to flourish with bad behaviour.
On August 17 2010 16:18 Hrafn wrote: I despite all of this, IdrA still has fans. I don't get it.
Its the same reason why all those idiots who spray our buildings and underground trains with ugly graffiti have fans: they are cool, because they are daring and go against authority. In our world there is no chance - apart from bungee jumping, paragliding, freeclimbing or whatever - to have "adventures" which involve danger. Not following rules is the only way which poor citybound kids can get that feeling and the adrenaline kick associated with it. So obviously IdrA turns into a hero, because he "dares" to be the rager and personally I think he does it on purpose, because who would remember him if he didnt do it? A Zerg who plays boring games with mechanic focus and singlemindedness?
Sadly this trend for "scandals" doesnt stop once you have grown up or 99% of the annoying papparazzi would be out of a job.
On August 17 2010 17:00 Lylat wrote: Well I can understand Idra's behavior, if you can't play 100% due to lag issue I think you can "rage" against the caster ... This rule is good but there should be something like "if there is lag and the player can't play properly, then the cast can be canceled"
IdrA knew there was a chance to get additional lag, because he plays from Korea. That is his own fault and why should the tournament viewers be penalized for it? If he cant play due to lag he should not compete, it is as simple as that.
I think IdrA has a lot of fans because he's probably the best zerg player in the world and the only 'foreigner' playing SC2 on a Korean pro team. Maybe I'm wrong though, it's probably because the whole SC community is a bunch of angry teens, right?
If it was all about his skill, why arent the other great Zerg players having as many fans? Its the same reason why there are so many rumors flying around for our "stars": "any publicity is good publicity" and IdrA (and his PR-buddy Artosis) have managed to bring it to perfection for Starcraft. I guess they are writing up lines of what to rage next about when they are together and their orchestrated "Terran is IMBA" and "we tried everything" mantras are designed to set the stage for a lot of rage while IdrA is the victim as he is clearly not playing the IMBA race.
Maybe because the other ''great zerg players'' didn't go to Korea during BW, haven't appeared on TV like Idra has etc? And you hardly hear from any of the Zerg players either, Idra posts on these forums regularly.
Go a few months back and ask how many people were fan of Ret? I'm quite sure his fan count exceeded Idras by a lot. But oh wait, Ret was a good manner guy! Doesen't that make a hole in your logic? Yes it does. Ignorance, ignorance.... Both Ret and Idra were very skilled players, and got regonized for it. Thus got a lot of fans. Idra has been very consistent for years now, in both BW and SC2. Maybe that might have SOMETHING to do with his fanbase? It has nothing to do with Idra being a ''rebel'' or w/e your trying to ridicolously portray him as. Are you serious? Lol. Idra gets annoyed easily and rages, he's admitted it himself numerous times, it's nothing to do with him trying to showoff or trying to ''fight the power'' It's just how he is as a person.
I'm an Idra fan, not because he rages, but because hes a skilled player that keeps giving results.
But you can live in your dream world where Idra gets fans for being a ''rebel'' LOL. Just ask yourself this: Would anyone care about Idra if he was equally BM but wasn't consistent and, well, sucked? No they wouldn't. Idra gets attention because he is easily among the BEST players in SC2 in the world currently, but hes BM at the same time too. It's not the other way around.
´cmon all, IdrA is still a very good SC2 player, like or dont like his manners ingame.
I recommend you all to check out IdrA isnt all bad ya know ^^
Bad manners will never dissapear from sports, its a selling factor we need them, especially when the BM players are actually good players and not only famous for their BM.
On August 17 2010 07:28 motbob wrote: This makes no sense. How on earth was Idra penalized 2 points if BigT doesn't work for you? Obviously BigT must have had some kind of official status if he was able to punish Idra for not letting him in the game.
IdrA's PP had nothing to do with BigT. It could have been Day9 casting and we still would have given IdrA PP for not allowing a caster in.
The issue people seem to be focused on is BigT. Honestly as Nazgul pointed out Live broadcasting must be enforced. IdrA said he didn't want people in his match no matter who casted it. After the fact, the issue was focused on BigT because he was one of the casters who did IdrA's match later. If we can get past the issue of BigT, the focus on the PP was around IdrA's refusal for any casters and his comments which were later on in the day after the casting.
Honestly my issue is I detect a distinct lack of honesty. This smells like it's just a cover up because there were screen shots of everybody involved having worse BM than Idra. I'm not a fanboy of Idra or BM but if you can't see or won't admit that BigT and ESL have issues then you aren't trying to fix anything, just do damage control. Some people think that's OK but its not because it means all that will happen is ESL will make sure their aren't screen shots of their own BM next time. Nothing you have said indicates any of this is because you are doing the right thing, it's because there is proof of ESL and BigT acting poorly. If you were really interested in doing the right thing you would remove all the points since the situation was caused by BigT antagonizing Idra and a screw up by ESL forcing Idra to forfeit his wins. In addition you would make some rules regarding caster behavior and give the players additional rights regarding lag. I fully understand your need to have the games casted but nobody wants to see laggy games. People watch these games because of the skill of the players. If the lag is bad the skill level deteriorates, diminishing the appeal of watching a progamer in action.
On August 17 2010 08:32 mmdmmd wrote: I don' think Idra will ever get a sponsor.
Whether he is faking it or not, NO sponsor in the world will want to link their product/service with a personality like his.
Which perfectly explains all the "You can't be serious!" commercials.
Yeah Idra could sell all kinds of stuff.
IdrA rages out of a game and throws his keyboard on the floor. Idra: "Dammit I'm off to make a burger." Goes off and makes a burger (or "insert product here") Next thing he's looking calm again. IdrA: "Mmmm Burgers." Then the caption: "making burgers, a useful skill toi have"
It all depends of how successful he and Starcraft 2 become. If Starcraft 2 is hugely successful and Idra is the #1 player in the world I wouldn't be surprised at all to see a "I want you to apologize for driving a Hyundai" commercial.
I had a paragraph long question written out for midway, but then I realized that it would increase my e-peen if I just sided with Idra blindly. It's a usefull skill toi have.
In all seriousness, did the MSN chat between Idra and LS have anything to do with the additional PP? Because if this is one of the reasons, I think it's unjustified because it was a private chat with a person that was not in any way connected to the ESL. However, if it wasn't, than you're completely justified in not releasing details, regardless of how the community reacts.
Why does the ESL want everything done live? Couldn't they have the tourney done all in one day, and then live cast the replays the next? I mean even though they're replays, as long as the results aren't spoiled, the feel of a "live" game would still be there.
it would eliminate the need of having multiple sets of casters all trying to jump from one game to the other, it would be easier to broadcast and cast for that matter. more time to plug sponsors, more time to act calmer in case stupid things like this happen, way easier to stay organized, etc... someone know why?
No, it wasn't "seen" that way, it's explicitly what was said.
There was confusion among everyone involved, including some admins. IdrA's trip to Gamescom confused the situation further.
If you fuck up, say that you fucked up. Man up. I edited my posts to show some quotes explicitly saying that they were banning Idra. There is no confusion about what was said.
I am glad you guys went back on the decision but don't try to cover up what happened with lies.
Hell, if an admin or 2 were idiots and messed up... just say that. Say what actually happened. Just don't try to lie to minimize it.
Seriously I love the ESL, I love anyone who contributes to e-sports. But Integrity... please
Such a good post. Come clean with stuff like this. Yes I know you grew up with officials doing this all the time as did I but they are not good role models!
We arent living in the wild wild west anymore, where the strong can waltz over the weak and get away with it.
Wow sounds like I need to move to Germany, or maybe you just haven't made it to the working world yet. Either way this is a good example of people misunderstanding the issue, which is ESL being dictatorial and the players having no rights.
All the sports analogies about having fans leave the stadium and whatnot are just plain wrong. Fans in a stadium or the broadcasting of a sports event doesn't impede the players in the same sense as used here.
A truer analogy would be if 5-6 fans or camera crews were allowed ON the court of a basketball game or whatever field used in that specific sporting event, thus these observers would impede the performance of the players.
On August 17 2010 08:32 mmdmmd wrote: I don' think Idra will ever get a sponsor.
Whether he is faking it or not, NO sponsor in the world will want to link their product/service with a personality like his.
Which perfectly explains all the "You can't be serious!" commercials.
Yeah Idra could sell all kinds of stuff.
IdrA rages out of a game and throws his keyboard on the floor. Idra: "Dammit I'm off to make a burger." Goes off and makes a burger (or "insert product here") Next thing he's looking calm again. IdrA: "Mmmm Burgers." Then the caption: "making burgers, a useful skill toi have"
Feels like Idra got shortchanged here. Maybe he did go overboard with the swearing against the admins, but i bet anyone else who had thought he had won and had left would be so pissed that they have to come back to play again. Just think about it. The point of the entire thing is that the ESLs admin fucked up somewhere and its not like Idra totally refused to replay the match and demand that his position is kept. Instead, they repay his favor by giving him more penalty points.
The point is? They ain't showing respect to other people and demand respect from them
On August 17 2010 19:40 Invictus wrote: Feels like Idra got shortchanged here. Maybe he did go overboard with the swearing against the admins, but i bet anyone else who had thought he had won and had left would be so pissed that they have to come back to play again. Just think about it. The point of the entire thing is that the ESLs admin fucked up somewhere and its not like Idra totally refused to replay the match and demand that his position is kept. Instead, they repay his favor by giving him more penalty points.
The point is? They ain't showing respect to other people and demand respect from them
From what I've heard, he's cursed out admins in all 3 cups so far. I doubt the last points in this had to do with the comments you're talking about, considering those comments were AFTER the points were given.
On August 17 2010 08:32 mmdmmd wrote: I don' think Idra will ever get a sponsor.
Whether he is faking it or not, NO sponsor in the world will want to link their product/service with a personality like his.
Which perfectly explains all the "You can't be serious!" commercials.
Yeah Idra could sell all kinds of stuff.
IdrA rages out of a game and throws his keyboard on the floor. Idra: "Dammit I'm off to make a burger." Goes off and makes a burger (or "insert product here") Next thing he's looking calm again. IdrA: "Mmmm Burgers." Then the caption: "making burgers, a useful skill toi have"
ROFL
Nice, cause of you I got caught on teamliquid at work (was laughing too much) xD
imo the first thing that should happen is ELS should make sure the player's abuse was unwarranted, and if it wasn't then they should deal with the caster (aka: fire bigT), the second thing is to set an example and make sure other players don't think it's alright to behave the way idra did.
(personally I would defend idra's actions in this instance, but an organization like the ESL have to maintain a certain level of respect from the players)
I haven't seen what ESL is doing about the caster yet? (who was really the problem in this whole thing)
They let BigT today (for me) probably for US was yesterday. He casting again for me is huge mistake... I only saw the game LS vs Bubba and i have to say WTF he is suppose be a cast? He cleary help friends (Huk msn ^^) he ony respect the friends and the opponents are just "shit". ESL if yo want to be professional hired are another caster and if he is not part of ESL why the fuck you let him cast when he is so bad???
Idra made a mistake yah. But he have right talking bad about admins and if he was telling a friend who cares?? Want that gamers be professional learn how to be professional to.
Idra dig wrong. ESL fail hard. BigT /facepalm.
I can be wrong but is this a first time that Idra insult admins? If it is Idra have even more right ^^
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