EPTIdrA, National ESL's IEM Cup #3 Issues - Page 22
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Domonic
United States135 Posts
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Supafly
United States19 Posts
On August 17 2010 15:23 Sqq wrote: "Berated staff and players" - He did this because you fucked up ESL. Stop trying to come out of this smelling like roses. Everyone would have been pissed off with your lack of professionalism, just like IdrA did. Who cares if ESL screwed up. It's in the rules, "don't berate staff or players" Okay, IdrA get's pissed that the ESL messed up. He berates staff. Clear cut breach of rules. Now whether those rules are fair, or whether IdrA had reason to complain are a completely different discussion, but IdrA broke rules, got penalized, END OF STORY. | ||
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Hrafn
Austria42 Posts
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CalmDown.Breathe
United States176 Posts
On August 17 2010 16:12 Supafly wrote: Who cares if ESL screwed up. It's in the rules, "don't berate staff or players" Okay, IdrA get's pissed that the ESL messed up. He berates staff. Clear cut breach of rules. Now whether those rules are fair, or whether IdrA had reason to complain are a completely different discussion, but IdrA broke rules, got penalized, END OF STORY. you can't do the whole "who cares if ESL screwed up". its the whole fact that they did screw up in more ways than one and how they reacted to it that created an issue of this magnitude. there is also an expectation that ESL will run their tournament in a professional manner. there is also an expectation that they will only have to go through each round once, but IdrA was informed he would have to replay two rounds. there is an expectation that IdrA will be given a fair chance at participating in a tournament but was considered disqualified from an amateur caster (which ultimately created the BM). there is an expectation that they will put quality (of the game) over quantity (of casters). there is an expectation that staff, whether they are volunteers or not, will not berate players. ESL, in association of BigT and their use of his services, essentially did none of the above. just like how there are expectations for players to abide by rules, there is an expected level of professionalism for tournaments to abide by. | ||
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Zingerac
United States138 Posts
On August 17 2010 16:18 Hrafn wrote: I despite all of this, IdrA still has fans. I don't get it. IdrA is one of if not the best player in the world. Also its abundantly clear to anyone who has actually read everything that was in the other thread he wasn't at fault. | ||
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
This rule is good but there should be something like "if there is lag and the player can't play properly, then the cast can be canceled" | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On August 17 2010 04:33 virgozero wrote: hey if I say your gay? does that make me a noob at starcraft? does that make my game lest enjoyable to watch? does that HAVE ANYTHING to do with starcraft and electronic sports? It doesnt make you a noob at Starcraft, just a noob at this other game called "life". Oh and if you say thing exactly like that it also makes you a noob at grammar, but you probably think that it is cool to leave out stuff. For example: "your gay" Your gay what? Mother? Father? Example 2: "does that make my game le[a]st enjoyable to watch?" I added in the missing letter and the answer is yes. Just check my signature and think hard on it for a while, maybe its wisdom will dawn on you. Sure Starcraft 2 is a competitive game, but the competition should be resolved by units built and not by letters typed. If you cant control yourself and have to be insulting to other players you should not compete anywhere, because verbal abuse is harder to heal than physical abuse. There is no medicine to make you forget certain things. Focus the aggression on the game and not the player and most importantly: Know when you lost because you yourself have screwed up. That is something IdrA still needs to learn as his games against Silver have shown. | ||
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On August 17 2010 16:18 Hrafn wrote: I despite all of this, IdrA still has fans. I don't get it. Its the same reason why all those idiots who spray our buildings and underground trains with ugly graffiti have fans: they are cool, because they are daring and go against authority. In our world there is no chance - apart from bungee jumping, paragliding, freeclimbing or whatever - to have "adventures" which involve danger. Not following rules is the only way which poor citybound kids can get that feeling and the adrenaline kick associated with it. So obviously IdrA turns into a hero, because he "dares" to be the rager and personally I think he does it on purpose, because who would remember him if he didnt do it? A Zerg who plays boring games with mechanic focus and singlemindedness? Sadly this trend for "scandals" doesnt stop once you have grown up or 99% of the annoying papparazzi would be out of a job. On August 17 2010 17:00 Lylat wrote: Well I can understand Idra's behavior, if you can't play 100% due to lag issue I think you can "rage" against the caster ... This rule is good but there should be something like "if there is lag and the player can't play properly, then the cast can be canceled" IdrA knew there was a chance to get additional lag, because he plays from Korea. That is his own fault and why should the tournament viewers be penalized for it? If he cant play due to lag he should not compete, it is as simple as that. | ||
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PinkPrincess
United States149 Posts
On August 17 2010 14:56 zerglingsfolife wrote: Almost. They banned him, then after the fact, IdrA was contacted by LastShadow, and found out he would have to replay the rounds. IdrA said he would, and told LastShadow to tell the admins that they are fucking idiots. It's sad when administrators abuse the rules to protect themselves from justified criticism  It's especially unfortunate that they disqualified one of the greatest SC2 players out of their own anger at being called on their incompetency, too. If you have rules about flaming admins, but then act like a fucking idiot and get called on it, that's one of the times you have to discard the rule or else you turn into a rules monkey who leeches off the community instead of a contributing member. | ||
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UisTehSux
United States693 Posts
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On August 17 2010 17:10 UisTehSux wrote: Verbal abuse is a good skill toi have I hear. No ... not even good if you meant it sarcastically, because 90% of the time it will be misunderstood. | ||
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vyyye
Sweden3917 Posts
On August 17 2010 17:08 Rabiator wrote: Its the same reason why all those idiots who spray our buildings and underground trains with ugly graffiti have fans: they are cool, because they are daring and go against authority. In our world there is no chance - apart from bungee jumping, paragliding, freeclimbing or whatever - to have "adventures" which involve danger. Not following rules is the only way which poor citybound kids can get that feeling and the adrenaline kick associated with it. So obviously IdrA turns into a hero, because he "dares" to be the rager and personally I think he does it on purpose, because who would remember him if he didnt do it? A Zerg who plays boring games with mechanic focus and singlemindedness? Sadly this trend for "scandals" doesnt stop once you have grown up or 99% of the annoying papparazzi would be out of a job. IdrA knew there was a chance to get additional lag, because he plays from Korea. That is his own fault and why should the tournament viewers be penalized for it? If he cant play due to lag he should not compete, it is as simple as that. I think IdrA has a lot of fans because he's probably the best zerg player in the world and the only 'foreigner' playing SC2 on a Korean pro team. Maybe I'm wrong though, it's probably because the whole SC community is a bunch of angry teens, right? | ||
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Grond
599 Posts
On August 17 2010 08:32 mmdmmd wrote: I don' think Idra will ever get a sponsor. Whether he is faking it or not, NO sponsor in the world will want to link their product/service with a personality like his. Which perfectly explains all the "You can't be serious!" commercials. | ||
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illumination
Korea (South)248 Posts
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On August 17 2010 17:12 vyyye wrote: I think IdrA has a lot of fans because he's probably the best zerg player in the world and the only 'foreigner' playing SC2 on a Korean pro team. Maybe I'm wrong though, it's probably because the whole SC community is a bunch of angry teens, right? If it was all about his skill, why arent the other great Zerg players having as many fans? Its the same reason why there are so many rumors flying around for our "stars": "any publicity is good publicity" and IdrA (and his PR-buddy Artosis) have managed to bring it to perfection for Starcraft. I guess they are writing up lines of what to rage next about when they are together and their orchestrated "Terran is IMBA" and "we tried everything" mantras are designed to set the stage for a lot of rage while IdrA is the victim as he is clearly not playing the IMBA race. Yes I know this sounds like a conspiracy theory, but the alternatives of IdrA being an immature kid who didnt get taught decent values by his parents OR that he is simply suffering from a psychological disorder which puts all blame one everything but himself are worse IMO. Personally I was raging like IdrA as a small child, but then I got some help and it stopped when I was 12 years or so, so such a "disorder" does exist. | ||
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AcOrP
Bulgaria148 Posts
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kar1181
United Kingdom515 Posts
 I think the issue a lot of people are still having though, is that it is clear that Idra got (and to use your admins favourite word it seems) 'punished' for his misconduct. It's not clear whether those that acted improperly on behalf of ESL, or associated casters, have also been sanctioned. I think if you make it clear that sanctions have occurred here too I think a lot of people will chill out and move on. | ||
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Oleksandr
United States227 Posts
On August 17 2010 14:56 zerglingsfolife wrote: Almost. They banned him, then after the fact, IdrA was contacted by LastShadow, and found out he would have to replay the rounds. IdrA said he would, and told LastShadow to tell the admins that they are fucking idiots. So many people are such cry babies. "Noo, my friend told me that he called me an idiot; I must rise up and give him 2 penalty points!" | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On August 17 2010 17:26 Grond wrote: Which perfectly explains all the "You can't be serious!" commercials. Yeah Idra could sell all kinds of stuff. IdrA rages out of a game and throws his keyboard on the floor. Idra: "Dammit I'm off to make a burger." Goes off and makes a burger (or "insert product here") Next thing he's looking calm again. IdrA: "Mmmm Burgers." Then the caption: "making burgers, a useful skill toi have" | ||
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