EPTIdrA, National ESL's IEM Cup #3 Issues - Page 18
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cN-
United States41 Posts
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Voyager I
United States260 Posts
On August 17 2010 08:20 Sreypech wrote: He is a big enough jackass, if you watched his stream he kept harassing Idra then cried to an ESL admin when he didn't get his way. He doesn't act like a professional caster in anyway whatsoever. He subsequently spent the the whole game of Idra's that he did get to cast, insulting him calling for Bunny to be the Idra killer instead of just casting the game. That wasn't BigT being unprepared. That was IdrA ignoring the rules. I'm not defending BigT's behavior, but you're completely misrepresenting the situation. If IdrA wants to be a top player, he's going to have to deal with the fact that people are going to cast him wherever possible. | ||
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Sreypech
United States28 Posts
On August 17 2010 08:24 Voyager I wrote: That wasn't BigT being unprepared. That was IdrA ignoring the rules. I'm not defending BigT's behavior, but you're completely misrepresenting the situation. If IdrA wants to be a top player, he's going to have to deal with the fact that people are going to cast him wherever possible. BigT was unprepared and unprofessional go read the chat logs. If he was prepared he would have talked to Idra before this, sorted it out with a real admin, and had the admin talk to Idra to make sure all the rules were understood instead of BMing Idra then making fun of him on the next game he casted of his. | ||
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Kurr
Canada2338 Posts
On August 17 2010 08:24 Voyager I wrote: That wasn't BigT being unprepared. That was IdrA ignoring the rules. I'm not defending BigT's behavior, but you're completely misrepresenting the situation. If IdrA wants to be a top player, he's going to have to deal with the fact that people are going to cast him wherever possible. I'm an awful player and I wouldn't let BigT cast my games honestly. This guy is truly awful and this is the second time in as many weeks he has been in the middle of this type of situation. If he wants to spend his casts insulting players he can move on the youtube. IMO he has no place on TL and hasn't since the HuK thing. | ||
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theBullFrog
United States515 Posts
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Moonling
United States987 Posts
On August 17 2010 08:28 asianinvasian wrote: didn't idra already qualify for this ? Thats what we all thought :p | ||
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
Whether he is faking it or not, NO sponsor in the world will want to link their product/service with a personality like his. | ||
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Roflhaxx
Korea (South)1244 Posts
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Waxangel
United States33645 Posts
On August 17 2010 05:56 Sideburn wrote: So well thought out, I am in complete awe. All of this is perfectly true, and especially important and good because it applies to a general situation. I wish TL wasn't so rampant with sycophancy, it seems to cloud a lot of people's judgment. I wish irony was a bannable offense  | ||
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zerglingsfolife
United States1694 Posts
Edit: Not directed at Waxangel* <3 Waxangel | ||
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midway
United States123 Posts
On August 17 2010 08:28 asianinvasian wrote: didn't idra already qualify for this ? He lost to Silver before the Top 4 in Cup #1 He lost to Zelniq before the Top 4 in Cup #2 | ||
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Argolis
Canada211 Posts
I wanna thank you for your patience and professionalism dealing with this issue and the public here at TL. I understand it's impossible to please everyone, and it could be extremely frustrating trying to do so but, in my opinion, you have manned up and admited that mistakes were made and that you guys are trying make things right, now and in the future. I have a few questions I was hoping you could answer. 1) Can you elaborate a little bit more on how the confusion came about with the "Idra is banned, idra isn't banned" fiasco? More specificaly, was it a snap call by an admin which was overturned after further investigation? if so, what changes will ESL make to avoid these problems in the future? 2) Have your views changed on having "volunteer" casters. As you have informed us, BigT approached ESL and asked to be a caster for the tournament. Unfortunately a lot of the drama seems to be focused on BigT as his role was recognized as an "official" caster for ESL. In the future, do you plan on continuing with this format? Will rules and guidlines be established for casters? Are you going to drop the entire volunteer caster plans and move towards another direction? 3) What's your stance on Roe vs Wade? | ||
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Deleted User 47542
1484 Posts
On August 17 2010 08:32 mmdmmd wrote: I don' think Idra will ever get a sponsor. Whether he is faking it or not, NO sponsor in the world will want to link their product/service with a personality like his. CJ Entus. IdrA is involved in many tournys, events, drama, etc. That's exactly what a lot of sponsors would want, oh and he's actually pretty good at the game as well. | ||
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EppE
United States221 Posts
On August 17 2010 08:32 mmdmmd wrote: I don' think Idra will ever get a sponsor. Whether he is faking it or not, NO sponsor in the world will want to link their product/service with a personality like his. You do realize he is already on a pro team right? Ever hear of John Mcenroe, or how about the term "any publicity is good publicity"? IdrA can BM all day long and it wont bother me. It's part of his personality, love it or leave it. As long as he is still entertaining to watch, and read about, I'm going to follow him. How many other Pro Gamers get weekly threads about them here? How many other Pro Gamers are becoming such a house hold name? You may not like him, but marketing wise, Idra is a dream. | ||
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deViation-
Canada85 Posts
they fucked up with the whole brackets | ||
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Kexx
Germany240 Posts
On August 17 2010 05:46 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Harassment out of the game is as serious as in-game. The situation is still that you're insulting referees or admins, something which under no conditions should be allowed. Wherever it happens it has the same impact and the same result of undermining ones authority. If you want to play in a tournament you are to treat the referees with respect. Mistakes do happen, this is something people need to learn to respect as well. If everyone here on TL insulted us every time a mistake was made nobody on the TL staff would still be working here. Most of us are adults and most of us would like to see StarCraft flourish as a professional sport. You can't go and insult people every time they make a stupid decision. I haven't seen quotes on the exact situation, there are of course exceptions such as where the referee is taunting or downright insulting the player himself so my post does not specifically apply to this situation. It's simply meant to show my opinion on situations like this in a more general setting. About casters being in games there are many things to consider. First of all the rule that a player must allow a caster is a good rule. The trick is in the enforcement of it. This is a good rule because players are unpredictable and you are dealing with 400 unpredictable potentially loose cannons. An organization must at all time keep the power of deciding whether people should be allowed to watch in their own hands. sometimes players are reasonable and only complain when there is lag, other times players behave like kids and do unreasonable things such as complaining about lag when there is none, simply for the fact that they are tilted or dislike a certain obs or caster. Tournament rules have to be made in such a manner that they account for the worst possible situation. Then when situations arise a tournament organizer may opt not to apply the rules because he feels this is more fair. So when you establish the original rule about players being forced to allow casters is a good one we arrive at the core of the problem in this tournament. That is a player with a subjectively bad attitude being faced with a potentially unreasonable referee who can refer to the rules to protect himself. This all could have been avoided if players would simply treat people with more respect. That does not mean he was wrong in his complaints at all do not misunderstand my point, but for large organizations such as the ESL it is very hard to completely control every single link in their company structure. In this giant of an organization you are basically guaranteed people are going to make mistakes and if players don't care about being decent others they should start caring about being decent in order to help themselves. finally a man of reason who sees this objective, thanks naz. | ||
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EppE
United States221 Posts
On August 17 2010 08:41 deViation- wrote: lol, they are going down way too hard on idra... they fucked up with the whole brackets The funniest thing about this is, Idra's rep is basically unharmed by this. It's just "oh Idra BM no biggie" but ESL's rep is plummeting. | ||
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
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Maaku
United Kingdom142 Posts
On August 17 2010 08:46 EppE wrote: The funniest thing about this is, Idra's rep is basically unharmed by this. It's just "oh Idra BM no biggie" but ESL's rep is plummeting. I really don't think its all plummeting so much. So tell me guys what would happen to idra if he had hes same shitty attitude and bm in kespa run leagues? | ||
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
On August 17 2010 08:40 EppE wrote: You do realize he is already on a pro team right? Ever hear of John Mcenroe, or how about the term "any publicity is good publicity"? IdrA can BM all day long and it wont bother me. It's part of his personality, love it or leave it. As long as he is still entertaining to watch, and read about, I'm going to follow him. How many other Pro Gamers get weekly threads about them here? How many other Pro Gamers are becoming such a house hold name? You may not like him, but marketing wise, Idra is a dream. Then according to your theory, every mass murderer should be a marketing dream? Because a lot of them are the most talked about person in history, even years after their crime. Like you say, "any publicity is good publicity"? ![[image loading]](http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9242/binladensc2.jpg) | ||
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