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On August 05 2010 13:24 OHtRUe wrote:
No offense, but this proves that theres something wrong with the game. This guy shouldn't 2-0 IdrA with his gaming history and his whole philosophy of the game. I feel incredibly bad for IdrA for choosing zerg because if he played Terran i doubt he would lose a game.
CJ Entus PROGAMER who played pro level SC BW and plays 10 hours of SC2 gets 2-0'd by pretty much by a casual who references a confederate general for his SC play......
Sorry to BM but you're an idiot. Are you that ignorant or just that new to the game to have assumptions like that. If you actually read the interview he seems very intelligent and that works for him in the game. Also, IdrA gets beat by, in you'r terms, "Lower level" ZERGS also so it's not an imbalance thing. Maybe you should ask him why he loses if you really are that concerned, even Flash looses to people below him. It's a game with many different aspects and doing to same strategy all the time doesn't help the fact that everyone will know how to beat you.
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What you're describing might be "acting dignified," but the guy is in the entertainment business. Part of his responsibility is marketing himself to the fanbase. It's ridiculous to say that trash-talking the opposition is somehow letting his emotions get in the way of his job. His job is to get people to watch his games, so that the sponsors are happy.
If "acting professionally" means "not displaying emotion", I completely disagree that professional athletes, gamers, or entertainers should "act professionally." And in fact, few of them do.
You're right, that is, you don't necessarily have to act professionally in the game itself, since the game itself is an entertainment venue. I've head that behind the scenes Idra actually acts very provisionally, day[9] certainly gave him glowing review. I just wanted to point out that professional behavior is a very well established concept.
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On August 05 2010 23:57 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 23:42 shawabawa wrote:On August 05 2010 23:17 floor exercise wrote:
Except he made hellions and thors far before he knew he was going muta, how do you not understand this? There was no inclination from his very limited knowledge to suggest mutas. Do you know the first time he saw mutas in the entire game? When they ran into his turret Maybe because he had hellions and marines with a tank and what did zerg have? Zerglings. Nothing else. What could he be going for? Hydras doesn't make sense against that mix, roaches would've been out already, had to be mutas. You don't have to see something to know it's there. He started making thors before he even saw idra's natural he had no clue what idra was doing when he started making thors zero. He had no idea, not even the slightest inclination, of what Idra was building, and he didn't care. He didn't need to know that information because he was just building random mech shit and attack moving. If he says otherwise, he's lying to make himself sound good in the interview. He had no clue, for all intents it was completely impertinent, he was going to build what he was going to build and attack move with it without any regard for his opponents build or units. Whatever Idra's build was, his units would have been out by then, but Silver would have no clue what they were because he didn't effectively scout at all. Not gonna argue with you people anymore, watch the game. it was a guy in his base building whatever he wanted, you can try to pass that off as strategic genius all you want but you are clueless if you believe that.
You know, maybe these really high level players have more of an idea of what's going on in a game than you?
He didn't SEE the natural, no. How sure was he that idra was going to put it down? Based on the fact I've never seen a single game where Idra didn't expand early, or that he saw the drone come out and blocked the hatch going down and so could be reasonably sure the hatch would go down the moment the SCV was cleared, it's pretty safe to say he didn't need to scout the natural to know it was up.
What units did he see of Idra? Just zerglings. That's a lot more information than it looks like, if idra was building roaches he would've seen them by then, because the later the game gets the less use roaches have. So what's left? Hydras and mutas, hydras would get owned by pre-igniter and he could get siege tech quickly, so mutas were the real threat. He pre-emptively countered them and won.
If IdrA had played a little bit trickier and not just done the most obvious thing in the world he could have owned him, but he didn't, because he played worse.
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On August 05 2010 23:57 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 23:42 shawabawa wrote:On August 05 2010 23:17 floor exercise wrote:
Except he made hellions and thors far before he knew he was going muta, how do you not understand this? There was no inclination from his very limited knowledge to suggest mutas. Do you know the first time he saw mutas in the entire game? When they ran into his turret Maybe because he had hellions and marines with a tank and what did zerg have? Zerglings. Nothing else. What could he be going for? Hydras doesn't make sense against that mix, roaches would've been out already, had to be mutas. You don't have to see something to know it's there. He started making thors before he even saw idra's natural he had no clue what idra was doing when he started making thors zero. He had no idea, not even the slightest inclination, of what Idra was building, and he didn't care. He didn't need to know that information because he was just building random mech shit and attack moving. If he says otherwise, he's lying to make himself sound good in the interview. He had no clue, for all intents it was completely impertinent, he was going to build what he was going to build and attack move with it without any regard for his opponents build or units. Whatever Idra's build was, his units would have been out by then, but Silver would have no clue what they were because he didn't effectively scout at all. Not gonna argue with you people anymore, watch the game. it was a guy in his base building whatever he wanted, you can try to pass that off as strategic genius all you want but you are clueless if you believe that.
I've never claimed it was a genius strategy. My original response was towards the claim that he didn't scan once, which he did and you jumped in and lashed out for no real reason. (No fucking clue...) If a person is going to rage against something, at least be truthful.
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On August 05 2010 23:57 floor exercise wrote:
He started making thors
before he even saw idra's natural
he had no clue what idra was doing when he started making thors
zero. He had no idea, not even the slightest inclination, of what Idra was building, and he didn't care. He didn't need to know that information because he was just building random mech shit and attack moving.
If he says otherwise, he's lying to make himself sound good in the interview. He had no clue, for all intents it was completely impertinent, he was going to build what he was going to build and attack move with it without any regard for his opponents build or units.
Whatever Idra's build was, his units would have been out by then, but Silver would have no clue what they were because he didn't effectively scout at all.
Not gonna argue with you people anymore, watch the game. it was a guy in his base building whatever he wanted, you can try to pass that off as strategic genius all you want but you are clueless if you believe that.
IdrA rage must be contagious.
I'm pretty sure he had a game plan going in and it was'nt "build random mech shit".
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Don't worry about floor exercise, I've seen him in other threads and all he does is whine about zerg as well.
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On August 06 2010 00:13 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 23:57 floor exercise wrote:On August 05 2010 23:42 shawabawa wrote:On August 05 2010 23:17 floor exercise wrote:
Except he made hellions and thors far before he knew he was going muta, how do you not understand this? There was no inclination from his very limited knowledge to suggest mutas. Do you know the first time he saw mutas in the entire game? When they ran into his turret Maybe because he had hellions and marines with a tank and what did zerg have? Zerglings. Nothing else. What could he be going for? Hydras doesn't make sense against that mix, roaches would've been out already, had to be mutas. You don't have to see something to know it's there. He started making thors before he even saw idra's natural he had no clue what idra was doing when he started making thors zero. He had no idea, not even the slightest inclination, of what Idra was building, and he didn't care. He didn't need to know that information because he was just building random mech shit and attack moving. If he says otherwise, he's lying to make himself sound good in the interview. He had no clue, for all intents it was completely impertinent, he was going to build what he was going to build and attack move with it without any regard for his opponents build or units. Whatever Idra's build was, his units would have been out by then, but Silver would have no clue what they were because he didn't effectively scout at all. Not gonna argue with you people anymore, watch the game. it was a guy in his base building whatever he wanted, you can try to pass that off as strategic genius all you want but you are clueless if you believe that. I've never claimed it was a genius strategy. My original response was towards the claim that he didn't scan once, which he did and you jumped in and lashed out for no real reason. (No fucking clue...) If a person is going to rage against something, at least be truthful.
I can scan a corner of the map with nothing in it, it doesn't help me determine the units I produce does it?
The inference is that his scan gave him information from which he determined his path. This is wrong. I don't see how I'm "lashing out for no reason" because you think you can perpetuate the falsehood of a wayward scan that sees nothing can somehow alter the game. Yet I'm not being truthful. When did I say he didn't scan? If you value honesty so highly, you should question Silver about how a scan that sees nothing can determine his build order. I haven't said a single thing that isn't the truth so far, the only difference being that I have been right about everything I said and this somehow wounds your pride
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LOL when I read the beginning of the interview and silvers' statements about his style I thought "man he's the kinda player that idra would hate to lose against"
Only then did I read on to find out about the games they played xD
Read through the whole interview, I gotta say I find the way he talks there pretty artificial and like a bit of a smartass.
It's always fun though to learn about new top players and beating idra huk qxc is damn impressive. Gonna check some reps of him out soon.
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man im liking this silver guy more and more with each rep i watch and the interview is pretty different. hippy wonder boy GO GO FIGHTING !
love it . jamming with a friend in between tourney games and playing boardgames and civilisation afterwards.US server should take pride in having a gamer that actually has a bit of a hippy in him.
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On August 05 2010 23:47 chakuzabruder wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 13 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 05 2010 13 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:24 OHtRUe wrote:
No offense, but this proves that theres something wrong with the game. This guy shouldn't 2-0 IdrA with his gaming history and his whole philosophy of the game. I feel incredibly bad for IdrA for choosing zerg because if he played Terran i doubt he would lose a game.
CJ Entus PROGAMER who played pro level SC BW and plays 10 hours of SC2 gets 2-0'd by pretty much by a casual who references a confederate general for his SC play...... wtf is ur problem you idra fanboy? go lick his asshole and ask him to put ur small dick inside his asnus your just a fucking noob, everywhere defending idra... so pathetic you fucking ugly virgin, i hate ugly people and ur definitely one u fucking noob ur just like idra.. u'll never get a life, u'll never get any girls.. ur just a random pc nerd.. when ur 40 years old.. u'll look back at ur life and realize that all u achived is being a random pc nerd.. u suck man, pathetic pple without life loser
Hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
OH MY GOD
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On August 05 2010 23:57 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 23:42 shawabawa wrote:On August 05 2010 23:17 floor exercise wrote:
Except he made hellions and thors far before he knew he was going muta, how do you not understand this? There was no inclination from his very limited knowledge to suggest mutas. Do you know the first time he saw mutas in the entire game? When they ran into his turret Maybe because he had hellions and marines with a tank and what did zerg have? Zerglings. Nothing else. What could he be going for? Hydras doesn't make sense against that mix, roaches would've been out already, had to be mutas. You don't have to see something to know it's there. He started making thors before he even saw idra's natural he had no clue what idra was doing when he started making thors zero. He had no idea, not even the slightest inclination, of what Idra was building, and he didn't care. He didn't need to know that information because he was just building random mech shit and attack moving. If he says otherwise, he's lying to make himself sound good in the interview. He had no clue, for all intents it was completely impertinent, he was going to build what he was going to build and attack move with it without any regard for his opponents build or units. Whatever Idra's build was, his units would have been out by then, but Silver would have no clue what they were because he didn't effectively scout at all. Not gonna argue with you people anymore, watch the game. it was a guy in his base building whatever he wanted, you can try to pass that off as strategic genius all you want but you are clueless if you believe that.
Thank you very much for actually posting with common sense. Are all of you blind calling me a fanboy for IdrA while your supporting this guys play? A casual player who played WC3 is beating A SC BW PRO and A SC 2 PRO. What justifications do you have for that?
Also to anyone saying IdrA's unit composition was wrong IT WOULDNT HAVE MATTERED. If he made roach he would of gone more tank and marauder, if he went hydra he would of went hellion tank. The point is there is no reasonable counter for this bullshit that terran can pull.
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On August 06 2010 00:27 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2010 00:13 nam nam wrote:On August 05 2010 23:57 floor exercise wrote:On August 05 2010 23:42 shawabawa wrote:On August 05 2010 23:17 floor exercise wrote:
Except he made hellions and thors far before he knew he was going muta, how do you not understand this? There was no inclination from his very limited knowledge to suggest mutas. Do you know the first time he saw mutas in the entire game? When they ran into his turret Maybe because he had hellions and marines with a tank and what did zerg have? Zerglings. Nothing else. What could he be going for? Hydras doesn't make sense against that mix, roaches would've been out already, had to be mutas. You don't have to see something to know it's there. He started making thors before he even saw idra's natural he had no clue what idra was doing when he started making thors zero. He had no idea, not even the slightest inclination, of what Idra was building, and he didn't care. He didn't need to know that information because he was just building random mech shit and attack moving. If he says otherwise, he's lying to make himself sound good in the interview. He had no clue, for all intents it was completely impertinent, he was going to build what he was going to build and attack move with it without any regard for his opponents build or units. Whatever Idra's build was, his units would have been out by then, but Silver would have no clue what they were because he didn't effectively scout at all. Not gonna argue with you people anymore, watch the game. it was a guy in his base building whatever he wanted, you can try to pass that off as strategic genius all you want but you are clueless if you believe that. I've never claimed it was a genius strategy. My original response was towards the claim that he didn't scan once, which he did and you jumped in and lashed out for no real reason. (No fucking clue...) If a person is going to rage against something, at least be truthful. I can scan a corner of the map with nothing in it, it doesn't help me determine the units I produce does it? The inference is that his scan gave him information from which he determined his path. This is wrong. I don't see how I'm "lashing out for no reason" because you think you can perpetuate the falsehood of a wayward scan that sees nothing can somehow alter the game. Yet I'm not being truthful. When did I say he didn't scan? If you value honesty so highly, you should question Silver about how a scan that sees nothing can determine his build order. I haven't said a single thing that isn't the truth so far, the only difference being that I have been right about everything I said and this somehow wounds your pride
I WAS NOT RESPONDING TO YOU IN MY ORIGINAL POST. I never question your truthfulness but the poster I responding. Get it? And you being "right" about Silver having "no fucking clue" is in itself clueless.
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On August 06 2010 01:08 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 23:57 floor exercise wrote:On August 05 2010 23:42 shawabawa wrote:On August 05 2010 23:17 floor exercise wrote:
Except he made hellions and thors far before he knew he was going muta, how do you not understand this? There was no inclination from his very limited knowledge to suggest mutas. Do you know the first time he saw mutas in the entire game? When they ran into his turret Maybe because he had hellions and marines with a tank and what did zerg have? Zerglings. Nothing else. What could he be going for? Hydras doesn't make sense against that mix, roaches would've been out already, had to be mutas. You don't have to see something to know it's there. He started making thors before he even saw idra's natural he had no clue what idra was doing when he started making thors zero. He had no idea, not even the slightest inclination, of what Idra was building, and he didn't care. He didn't need to know that information because he was just building random mech shit and attack moving. If he says otherwise, he's lying to make himself sound good in the interview. He had no clue, for all intents it was completely impertinent, he was going to build what he was going to build and attack move with it without any regard for his opponents build or units. Whatever Idra's build was, his units would have been out by then, but Silver would have no clue what they were because he didn't effectively scout at all. Not gonna argue with you people anymore, watch the game. it was a guy in his base building whatever he wanted, you can try to pass that off as strategic genius all you want but you are clueless if you believe that. Thank you very much for actually posting with common sense. Are all of you blind calling me a fanboy for IdrA while your supporting this guys play? A casual player who played WC3 is beating A SC BW PRO and A SC 2 PRO. What justifications do you have for that? Also to anyone saying IdrA's unit composition was wrong IT WOULDNT HAVE MATTERED. If he made roach he would of gone more tank and marauder, if he went hydra he would of went hellion tank. The point is there is no reasonable counter for this bullshit that terran can pull.
You are actually arguing against floor exercise since he claims that Silver just went for some random mech build and pushed. So Idra going for a different unity composition wouldn't have effected Silvers bo (according to floor).
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On August 05 2010 13:24 OHtRUe wrote:
No offense, but this proves that theres something wrong with the game. This guy shouldn't 2-0 IdrA with his gaming history and his whole philosophy of the game. I feel incredibly bad for IdrA for choosing zerg because if he played Terran i doubt he would lose a game.
CJ Entus PROGAMER who played pro level SC BW and plays 10 hours of SC2 gets 2-0'd by pretty much by a casual who references a confederate general for his SC play......
Idra lost because of his poor unit composition in his first game against Silver on Metalopolis. He lost his second game due to his inability to perform a different build on a map with cliffs(lost temple). It was clear that he wasn't planning on a tank drop at all. Clearly he wasn't ready for it and didn't perfect a build to combat the tank drop on the cliff. He needs more flexibility in his game.
I'm so tired of this kind of Idra sympathy. Not only the "boohoo Terran is overpowered" crap but he also showed such poor manners and lack of respect/professionalism that really brings the community down. Stop cheering him on when he whines like a 12 year old brat. He had no reason to say what he did to his opponent.
We can't keep accepting his rage as "cool". It's childish and pathetic.
Silver played amazing in that entire tournament. He deserved the win. Idra doesn't deserve shit because of his previous accomplishments.
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Even if Terran is massively overpowered, Idra claiming that everyone who plays Terran is trash just makes him look like a moron. A lot of good Terran players were playing Terran back when Terran was trash and Zerg was ridiculously overpowered (This would be around the time Idra switched to Zerg).
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On August 06 2010 01:01 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 23:47 chakuzabruder wrote:On August 05 2010 13 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 05 2010 13 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:24 OHtRUe wrote:
No offense, but this proves that theres something wrong with the game. This guy shouldn't 2-0 IdrA with his gaming history and his whole philosophy of the game. I feel incredibly bad for IdrA for choosing zerg because if he played Terran i doubt he would lose a game.
CJ Entus PROGAMER who played pro level SC BW and plays 10 hours of SC2 gets 2-0'd by pretty much by a casual who references a confederate general for his SC play...... wtf is ur problem you idra fanboy? go lick his asshole and ask him to put ur small dick inside his asnus your just a fucking noob, everywhere defending idra... so pathetic you fucking ugly virgin, i hate ugly people and ur definitely one u fucking noob ur just like idra.. u'll never get a life, u'll never get any girls.. ur just a random pc nerd.. when ur 40 years old.. u'll look back at ur life and realize that all u achived is being a random pc nerd.. u suck man, pathetic pple without life loser Hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha OH MY GOD
I disagree with Ohtrue but he so had the right to say that lmao.
Anyway,Silver's a pretty cool guy. "then I went and mediated and found my center"
He's going to be like the Dalai Llama.
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On August 06 2010 01:08 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 23:57 floor exercise wrote:On August 05 2010 23:42 shawabawa wrote:On August 05 2010 23:17 floor exercise wrote:
Except he made hellions and thors far before he knew he was going muta, how do you not understand this? There was no inclination from his very limited knowledge to suggest mutas. Do you know the first time he saw mutas in the entire game? When they ran into his turret Maybe because he had hellions and marines with a tank and what did zerg have? Zerglings. Nothing else. What could he be going for? Hydras doesn't make sense against that mix, roaches would've been out already, had to be mutas. You don't have to see something to know it's there. He started making thors before he even saw idra's natural he had no clue what idra was doing when he started making thors zero. He had no idea, not even the slightest inclination, of what Idra was building, and he didn't care. He didn't need to know that information because he was just building random mech shit and attack moving. If he says otherwise, he's lying to make himself sound good in the interview. He had no clue, for all intents it was completely impertinent, he was going to build what he was going to build and attack move with it without any regard for his opponents build or units. Whatever Idra's build was, his units would have been out by then, but Silver would have no clue what they were because he didn't effectively scout at all. Not gonna argue with you people anymore, watch the game. it was a guy in his base building whatever he wanted, you can try to pass that off as strategic genius all you want but you are clueless if you believe that. Thank you very much for actually posting with common sense. Are all of you blind calling me a fanboy for IdrA while your supporting this guys play? A casual player who played WC3 is beating A SC BW PRO and A SC 2 PRO. What justifications do you have for that? Also to anyone saying IdrA's unit composition was wrong IT WOULDNT HAVE MATTERED. If he made roach he would of gone more tank and marauder, if he went hydra he would of went hellion tank. The point is there is no reasonable counter for this bullshit that terran can pull.
"If he goes ling than he goes helion, but than he goes roach, but then he goes maruderer, but then he can go ultra, but then he can go thor, but then he can go infestor...blahblahblah. "
Just because you CAN counter it does'nt mean you're going to have the time to. If you do end up making a tech switch it means sacrificing more units and resources and you have to wait.
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On August 06 2010 01:08 OHtRUe wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 23:57 floor exercise wrote:On August 05 2010 23:42 shawabawa wrote:On August 05 2010 23:17 floor exercise wrote:
Except he made hellions and thors far before he knew he was going muta, how do you not understand this? There was no inclination from his very limited knowledge to suggest mutas. Do you know the first time he saw mutas in the entire game? When they ran into his turret Maybe because he had hellions and marines with a tank and what did zerg have? Zerglings. Nothing else. What could he be going for? Hydras doesn't make sense against that mix, roaches would've been out already, had to be mutas. You don't have to see something to know it's there. He started making thors before he even saw idra's natural he had no clue what idra was doing when he started making thors zero. He had no idea, not even the slightest inclination, of what Idra was building, and he didn't care. He didn't need to know that information because he was just building random mech shit and attack moving. If he says otherwise, he's lying to make himself sound good in the interview. He had no clue, for all intents it was completely impertinent, he was going to build what he was going to build and attack move with it without any regard for his opponents build or units. Whatever Idra's build was, his units would have been out by then, but Silver would have no clue what they were because he didn't effectively scout at all. Not gonna argue with you people anymore, watch the game. it was a guy in his base building whatever he wanted, you can try to pass that off as strategic genius all you want but you are clueless if you believe that. Thank you very much for actually posting with common sense. Are all of you blind calling me a fanboy for IdrA while your supporting this guys play? A casual player who played WC3 is beating A SC BW PRO and A SC 2 PRO. What justifications do you have for that? Also to anyone saying IdrA's unit composition was wrong IT WOULDNT HAVE MATTERED. If he made roach he would of gone more tank and marauder, if he went hydra he would of went hellion tank. The point is there is no reasonable counter for this bullshit that terran can pull.
Didn't Day9 go on about that in one of his dailies. Players get stuck on "If I go X he'll go Y, but if I go Z he'll go something else"? Yeah, everything can be 'countered' but Silver couldn't go everything at once. I think the fact that he's a very solid player who outplayed three great players (IdrA being one of them) is justification enough. A "casual player" wouldn't meditate to calm himself before a game, nor would he be in any tournament in the first place. Are you actually going to provide any argument except "he's not allowed to beat IdrA, because IdrA is pro"?
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On August 06 2010 01:16 skipdog172 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 13:24 OHtRUe wrote:
No offense, but this proves that theres something wrong with the game. This guy shouldn't 2-0 IdrA with his gaming history and his whole philosophy of the game. I feel incredibly bad for IdrA for choosing zerg because if he played Terran i doubt he would lose a game.
CJ Entus PROGAMER who played pro level SC BW and plays 10 hours of SC2 gets 2-0'd by pretty much by a casual who references a confederate general for his SC play...... Idra lost because of his poor unit composition in his first game against Silver on Metalopolis. He lost his second game due to his inability to perform a different build on a map with cliffs(lost temple). It was clear that he wasn't planning on a tank drop at all. Clearly he wasn't ready for it and didn't perfect a build to combat the tank drop on the cliff. He needs more flexibility in his game. I'm so tired of this kind of Idra sympathy. Not only the "boohoo Terran is overpowered" crap but he also showed such poor manners and lack of respect/professionalism that really brings the community down. Stop cheering him on when he whines like a 12 year old brat. He had no reason to say what he did to his opponent. We can't keep accepting his rage as "cool". It's childish and pathetic. Silver played amazing in that entire tournament. He deserved the win. Idra doesn't deserve shit because of his previous accomplishments.
What none of you people understand is that it is impossible for Zerg to account for every single early game build that terran can do, because they cannot scout it. you cannot simply research drop, a 200/200 upgrade, because you saw a starport, if you even see the starport. Just like you cannot simply make 4 queens because you saw the starport and he might be going banshee. Or maybe you see starport and tech lab and know it's banshee, you still dont know if he's building more than one, so you have to waste money on defense or you risk getting outright destroyed by all in banshee. You have to guess and if you guess wrong you lose.
You cannot see a factory/barracks wall and see constant marine production and say "he's going thors!!!" because he can be going marine tank, which will rape roaches. So again it is gambling, you either guess right and have a fighting chance (not a guaranteed win) or you guess wrong and you lose.
If you don't understand these concepts, and the absurdity of it all, you don't understand this game.
One player chooses not to scout because he has it in his head what he will do regardless of what his opponent does.
One player cannot physically scout and if he chooses the wrong counter to the build he doesn't even know is coming, he loses.
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I don't get how you can complain about Silver's lack of scouting without taking Idra to task for the same thing. Scans cost the T ~280 mineral. That's nearly 3 overlords.
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